Which Prohormone is more like equipoise
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wastedwhiteboy2
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I think its 1,4 andro.
ironguru
New member
Well most probably I respond well to Boldeone.
Tried first six a day 600 mg and did put on the same
amount of pounds and then I tried 300 mg and it worked
the same for me and also some other friends who are about
as heavy as I am.
But some other guys I know who are over 200 pounds
had to take more.
Side effects was : Libido was very low so PCT is
very important.
Tried first six a day 600 mg and did put on the same
amount of pounds and then I tried 300 mg and it worked
the same for me and also some other friends who are about
as heavy as I am.
But some other guys I know who are over 200 pounds
had to take more.
Side effects was : Libido was very low so PCT is
very important.
ironguru
New member
I do PCT for four weeks:
OXO
1 week morning 300 mg --- evening 300 mg
2-3 week morning 300 mg --- evening 300 mg
4 week morning 300 mg
Zinc 2 x 50 mg
Tribulus
morning 500 mg afternoon 500 mg evening 500 mg
Creatine
before and after work out
2 x 5 gram
Milk Thistle
morning 300 mg afternoon 300 mg evening 300 mg
that's what I do.
OXO
1 week morning 300 mg --- evening 300 mg
2-3 week morning 300 mg --- evening 300 mg
4 week morning 300 mg
Zinc 2 x 50 mg
Tribulus
morning 500 mg afternoon 500 mg evening 500 mg
Creatine
before and after work out
2 x 5 gram
Milk Thistle
morning 300 mg afternoon 300 mg evening 300 mg
that's what I do.
ironguru
New member
Hi rrgg
Have something that my interest you:
Boldenone (Boldeone)
increases the nitrogen balance and nitrogen in term increases the rate of protein being absorbed and utilized in muscle-protein synthesis in the cell dramatically. That means in combination with a high-protein diet it can give you slow but very sustained and definite muscle increases, pound for pound quality mass. In that aspect it has one extreme benefit, and that is that it also stimulates the appetite strongly. So it helps you supply the means as well as the ingredients for building quality muscle mass. The gains made on boldenone are also fairly easy to maintain after discontinuation of the product, which cannot be said of every anabolic compound.
Boldenone is moderately estrogenic and mildly androgenic, that means no enormous strength increases or massive weight increases due to estrogenic water retention are seen. It also reduces the chances of any occurring side effects related to androgens and estrogens.
1,4-andro has a double bond between the 1st and 2nd carbon that makes it naturally highly orally active without increasing liver toxicity. That means levels of boldenone can be increased with doses of 1,4-andro orally, often as low as 100-200 mg daily.
I also tried M1T and I did not work, at least not for me.
I don't want to eat 4000-5000 calories when I am on
M1T, as some people in here recomend, to put on 15 pounds.
with such hight calories I would put on at least 30 pounds
but most of it fat and water.
Have something that my interest you:
Boldenone (Boldeone)
increases the nitrogen balance and nitrogen in term increases the rate of protein being absorbed and utilized in muscle-protein synthesis in the cell dramatically. That means in combination with a high-protein diet it can give you slow but very sustained and definite muscle increases, pound for pound quality mass. In that aspect it has one extreme benefit, and that is that it also stimulates the appetite strongly. So it helps you supply the means as well as the ingredients for building quality muscle mass. The gains made on boldenone are also fairly easy to maintain after discontinuation of the product, which cannot be said of every anabolic compound.
Boldenone is moderately estrogenic and mildly androgenic, that means no enormous strength increases or massive weight increases due to estrogenic water retention are seen. It also reduces the chances of any occurring side effects related to androgens and estrogens.
1,4-andro has a double bond between the 1st and 2nd carbon that makes it naturally highly orally active without increasing liver toxicity. That means levels of boldenone can be increased with doses of 1,4-andro orally, often as low as 100-200 mg daily.
I also tried M1T and I did not work, at least not for me.
I don't want to eat 4000-5000 calories when I am on
M1T, as some people in here recomend, to put on 15 pounds.
with such hight calories I would put on at least 30 pounds
but most of it fat and water.
wastedwhiteboy2
Board Supporter
I dont see why it would not. My question is which will be more effective oral or trans?
Syr
Hot Italian Goldmember
I did some search and its used in a couple of trans stack (not like the one i'd like to make though). Probably it will be effective the same than oral, not more (just my speculation - no comparison available).hethcliff said:
I came through a strange affirmation, that the dione version is more effective than the diol one (at least in trans), which on paper shouldnt be.
hmm....
rrgg
Well-known member
Some guys have used this as a transdermal, Scorpio, DDD, Carson33. One guy says 300mg per day transdermal. Check a thread called, "Is 1,4-Diol for mass or cuts?"
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I have a guess about why the dione works better than diol. (1) the dione gives you some estrogen which may make it work better and (2) the diol is difficult to manufacture in a pure uncontaminated form, so it's possible the concentration isn't as high. This is speculation though.
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I have a guess about why the dione works better than diol. (1) the dione gives you some estrogen which may make it work better and (2) the diol is difficult to manufacture in a pure uncontaminated form, so it's possible the concentration isn't as high. This is speculation though.
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Syr
Hot Italian Goldmember
Very interesting read. I'll start a new thread but my idea for a trans would be like this:rrgg said:
1,4 Andro
4-0H (in higher dose to match 4AD effectiveness)
3AA (or 5AA?)
Stll lean bulking and still on the safe side.
I will eventually take m4ohn again orally if at the end of my actual cycle i like it enough
rrgg
Well-known member
hethcliff, I'm not totally following you. you're going to use 4ad/1,4ad trans plus m1t? what is it about 1,4ad that led you to this decision? I think a lot of the 1,4ad users on the board seem to take it solo for minimal sides. Just curious about what you're thinking here... thx
hethcliff
Member
rrgg said:
i wanted to sort of do a lean bulker. was thinking that the 1,4ad trans would help to keep the gains a bit more lean. maybe i am off on this. for a "lean bulk" what would be better? i'm not dead set on another m1t cycle but would still like to get about another 10lbs. in a 4-6 week cycle.
Lich
Banned
Well the big diff between dione and diol is the conversion percentage. Dione has a highe conversion to the target hormone (Boldenone/Equipose for 1,4ad and Dianabol for m1,4add) The actual number is around 15% for m1,4add. So 100-200grams a day is not unheard of. The only feedback ive gotten about this product is good feedback.
As for hepatoxic issue regaurding m1,4add. Dont take the first impression that its methylated so its bad. In a way its true, but its no different than actual d-bol itself. D-Bol is a methylated substance as well, which is why adding the methyl to 1,4add it converts to its parent, d-bol. Take out the methyl, and its equipose. So in my OPINION (No scientific research) its not more toxic than d-bol, which is less than M1T, but should still be cautioned with.
As for hepatoxic issue regaurding m1,4add. Dont take the first impression that its methylated so its bad. In a way its true, but its no different than actual d-bol itself. D-Bol is a methylated substance as well, which is why adding the methyl to 1,4add it converts to its parent, d-bol. Take out the methyl, and its equipose. So in my OPINION (No scientific research) its not more toxic than d-bol, which is less than M1T, but should still be cautioned with.