Which is the best prohormone for a non-beginner?

[khall1974]

I have ran two 6 weeks cycles of 1AD and epi. Trying to branch off into stronger orals. I have looked at msten, dmz, and m1. Which is the best in you guys opinion? Am I missing any others that you can think of?

 

[deeznutsboi]

I'd do titan stack from flex fitness products, the best PH I've ever run.

 

[DGator86]

I have ran two 6 weeks cycles of 1AD and epi. Trying to branch off into stronger orals. I have looked at msten, dmz, and m1. Which is the best in you guys opinion? Am I missing any others that you can think of?

Hey man, just curious, why did you run a 6 week vs. an 8 week. I've gotten some push back on running a 8 week cycle.

 

[khall1974]

Hey man, just curious, why did you run a 6 week vs. an 8 week. I've gotten some push back on running a 8 week cycle.

Just by choice...the lethargy was rough towards the end. Even dosing 750 to 1000 epi.

 

[DGator86]

Just by choice...the lethargy was rough towards the end. Even dosing 750 to 1000 epi.

Thanks for the feedback bud. I cant afford any lethargy at all.

 

[BRUstrong]

Just by choice...the lethargy was rough towards the end. Even dosing 750 to 1000 epi.

Glad (but not glad) to hear this. I'm currently on my third week of 330 1AD and I've been starting to feel run down. Bumped my epi from 500 to 1000 and it's not helping that much. I thought I was just crazy

 

[netflixNchill]

Anadrol, superdrol, msten, pheraplex

 

[mjdel05]

Maybe a stack of msten or DMZ and some trenevar or 4 andro

 

[netflixNchill]

Maybe just stack a whole bunch of orals because orals FTW

 

[khall1974]

Maybe a stack of msten or DMZ and some trenevar or 4 andro

Do I need a test base or is tren one,

 

[netflixNchill]

Tren is a test base bro

 

[khall1974]

Tren is a test base bro

Would I need AI with tren? Aromasin or exem

 

[netflixNchill]

Aromasin at 50mg a day with tren for sure bro

 

[sespress]

Glad (but not glad) to hear this. I'm currently on my third week of 330 1AD and I've been starting to feel run down. Bumped my epi from 500 to 1000 and it's not helping that much. I thought I was just crazy

Would 4 andro help? I feel like it might since it converts to test.

 

[mjdel05]

Tren is not a test base. You don't need an AI but prolactin can be a problem. On otc prolactin aid will be just fine. I would also add epi -andro which kept all the Lethargy away last time I ran that cycle.

 

[mjdel05]

Also have never heard of aromasin being used at 50 mg

 

[Hyde]

Aromasin at 50mg a day with tren for sure bro

25mg is the saturation point. Increasing dosage beyond this per day will not cause significantly further e2 reduction. If you need more than that, utilize letro. Significantly cheaper as a bonus. But you should be questioning why 25mg of aromasin isn't keeping up with your stack at that point.

I would split the dose every 12 hours though, dosing 12.5mg 2x a day.

 

[khall1974]

Tren is not a test base. You don't need an AI but prolactin can be a problem. On otc prolactin aid will be just fine. I would also add epi -andro which kept all the Lethargy away last time I ran that cycle.

What is a good test base if using dmz, msten or m1?

 

[mike33511]

What is a good test base if using dmz, msten or m1?

Testosterone (any ester), Trestolone, 4-Andro, Epi-Andro, TD DHEA...

 

[netflixNchill]

What is a good test base if using dmz, msten or m1?

Please refrain from using any AAS or hormonal product until the basics are learned. There is hardly a replacement for testosterone injections. These andro products will elicit MINIMAL effects. Trestolone transdermal would be your best bet, but also comes with hefty estrogen side effects. So until you're ready to pin, just stay natty for your own health

 

[HPGuitar]

Anadrol, superdrol, msten, pheraplex

I didn't think phera was around anywhere. I'm actually currently running an old bottle of p-plex I've had stashed for a kick start.

 

[Cgkone]

Honestly consider adding real test brother.
Have no idea why it's called the dark side on this forum.
This AM site is great for beginner knowledge but the general consensus can get weird.
Tren is not a test base, unless test base is now being used to mean something else besides "test base"
Real test will feel so much more organic than all the other stuff put together.
I've used 4 andro, and it worked.
Kept my boner. Felt pretty good.
300mg of test e and week 3 I was like "thank God".
Consider test bro.

 

[netflixNchill]

I didn't think phera was around anywhere. I'm actually currently running an old bottle of p-plex I've had stashed for a kick start.

It's definitely still around

 

[xR1pp3Rx]

Tren is a test base bro

tren IS NOT a test base... its a nor testosterone... that means its in a family of hormones deemed "NOT TESTOSTERONE">.

 

[khall1974]

Honestly consider adding real test brother.
Have no idea why it's called the dark side on this forum.
This AM site is great for beginner knowledge but the general consensus can get weird.
Tren is not a test base, unless test base is now being used to mean something else besides "test base"
Real test will feel so much more organic than all the other stuff put together.
I've used 4 andro, and it worked.
Kept my boner. Felt pretty good.
300mg of test e and week 3 I was like "thank God".
Consider test bro.

I cant pin right now without hiding it from my wife...orals are different cause she doesn't know any better. I was considering 4 andro for a base...how well did it work for you?

 

[Cgkone]

I cant pin right now without hiding it from my wife...orals are different cause she doesn't know any better. I was considering 4 andro for a base...how well did it work for you?

Like I said....it worked.
Dose dependant.
Kept my dick working.
4 andro/ Epiandro combined keeps energy high also.
So it does have a purpose.
I took 500mg a day. But I weighed 280.
Plus I always run stuff high dose

 

[Ricky10]

I'd do titan stack from flex fitness products, the best PH I've ever run.

Wow... that is pretty bad-ass! Seems a bit foolish to be DMZ for only 3 weeks, added in with the M-Sten. This stack would surely give the liver a run for its money.

The Restore PCT portion is obviously a waste of time..

 

[deeznutsboi]

It was very nice man. Strength an size though the roof. The dmz is unneccecary the last 4 weeks imo, but hey. Whatever. The restore is actually pretty good man. It kept me hard and strength still went up using it during Clomid pct. I've also ran it by itself pretty nice stuff, just daa and arimistane tho

 

[deeznutsboi]

Wow... that is pretty bad-ass! Seems a bit foolish to be DMZ for only 3 weeks, added in with the M-Sten. This stack would surely give the liver a run for its money.

The Restore PCT portion is obviously a waste of time..

See above post lol

 

[VAGeo15]

Prohormone recommendations for a more advanced guy? I'd say Trest/Dermatrest with M-sten for a bulk. Cycle support needed, and AI

 

[khall1974]

Prohormone recommendations for a more advanced guy? I'd say Trest/Dermatrest with M-sten for a bulk. Cycle support needed, and AI

How good is msten vs. Dmz in your opinion? How much does trest convert to estrogen?

 

[Hyde]

How good is msten vs. Dmz in your opinion? How much does trest convert to estrogen?

Msten is way harsher on me than DMZ, therefore I can run DMZ way longer and also feel great instead. DMZ is terrific; Msten is overrated. It does work a bit faster though.

Trest aromatizes significantly. Many won't even touch it that are gyno prone. And as always, the higher bf you have the greater percent you will convert to methyl estradiol.

 

[R1balla]

DMZ with dermacrine would be a good option as well.

 

[solidsnake]

Also if your planning on having kids in the near future I'd think again re trest

 

[fdigioia99]

Also have never heard of aromasin being used at 50 mg

Lol!!! Some people should be banned from giving advice. 12.5 eod or Ed plenty! If it's legit.

 

[khall1974]

If I stacked Dmz and Msten what would be a safe dose of each?

 

[Ricky10]

If I stacked Dmz and Msten what would be a safe dose of each?

DMZ and M-Sten are basically two alternatives that are both meant to mimic/replace Superdrol and the combo has proven to be very harsh on the liver...including some deaths. I do believe these were high school boys/men that did not really know what they were doing...but nonetheless. I don't think it is safe to recommend this combo to anyone really....take at your own risk if you must. You may have a better experience running one of the them with Trenavar for example.

 

[netflixNchill]

Do not stack them if you've never ran both individually. Most with experience will say, one gives them water bloat and the other leans them out. Each side will go on and on about which is better but it's all purely user dependent. Msten is more than enough on its own using 20-30mg a day.

 

[Hyde]

Do not stack them if you've never ran both individually. Most with experience will say, one gives them water bloat and the other leans them out. Each side will go on and on about which is better but it's all purely user dependent. Msten is more than enough on its own using 20-30mg a day.

I absolutely second all of this.

 

[R1balla]

Also advise to get pre/post bloods along with proper pct.

 

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