Which fighting style?

jas123 said:
Please find more videos like this. Seriously, this crap makes me laugh so hard.
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I agree, funniest thing I have seen in a long time!
Apparently this opponent was immune to air attacks.


As for the topic, the school you mentioned you were looking at it sounds very similar to the one I train at and they are certified by the same organization. You can click on the Krav Worldwide link and it will go to a picture of Darren Levine who actually was a student of Imi, the founder of Krav and one of the highest ranked instructors in the world.

I have been training for a few years and love it. If they train the way we do it is not just some glorified ThaiBo class and the instructors will push you pretty hard. I have seen a couple of tough guys show up their first time and blow chunks half way through the class.

We have a fight program as well where we train boxing, ground, and muy thai. I agree with what others said about actually sparring and I think that this is at least as valuable as the techniques you learn. It would really suck to have great technique and form and a really cool belt and get hit and go into shock because it is a new experience and take a beating.

I don't think there is any one best style Shamank gave good descriptions the only one I disagreed with a little was boxing. Boxing makes you use your mind like no other style IMHO, it is also one of the toughest to get really good at. I have a wrestling background and realize BJJ is a chess match but the pace doesn't even come close to boxing and let's face it getting hit generally sucks.

I agree 100% about getting into fights, you have to go looking for a fight to get into one most of the time especially once you are out of school and in the real world. If you are training in anything and are in good shape you can feel pretty confident you could probably beat up most of the normal people you run into. "So you got that going for you!". As long as your having fun and learning you will most likely stick with it which is probably the most important thing in any martial art.
 
I say thai and bjj as well. BJJ being very applicable in my opinion.
Also, a lot can depend on the teacher. So picking the one with a good teacher is sometimes the best option.
 
As I demonstrated last Saturday, BJJ can neutralize almost anyones size/strength on the street (even while drunk).
 
elcid2007 said:
Now I'd like to get into something that would be very useful in a realistic situation: bar fight, getting mugged, etc.
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If it's for realistic situations, I think you have two options.

One is Krav, which is 100% based on street fighting, where you will get cheapshot ( how many street fights start with a "are you ready to fight?" )

the second of course is Bas: Invalid Link Removed

As much as I love my BJJ, I'd never rely on it to win a street fight.. there are too many other circumstances that would potentially F me over.
 
Rodja said:
BJJ can be just as deadly; the adaptation to making it more brutal wouldn't take any effort. Hell, just adding in strikes makes BJJ that much more dangerous.
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It's not about making it more brutal. It's simply about adapting it to real life scenarios: what do you do if there's a knife? A gun? 3 attackers in the dark on a rocky beach? All the tools are there in many martial arts, the application of the techniques just isn't tweaked toward self-defense. Krav Maga is ONLY about survival against the worst odds, and they instruct with 90% of it being toward preparing you for knives, guns, bloody slippery floors, and other nasty stuff.

BJJ is bad for self defense. Go to the ground on the street, and die. But keep in mind Krav is poor for fighting; if you want to better yourself, or learn a comprehensive fighting art, and become a good fighter, krav is not for you either. It's the fastest way to saving your own life, though, IMO.


BTW, I'm in the same position as the OP: I'm looking to get back into training, it's been ten years. I took Shotokan as a teenager, and krav maga in the Israeli army and gov't. I don't care what discipline it is, as long as instruction is good, and it works in real life. I have Inosanto Academy nearby, as well as the main US Krav Maga center. I'm also looking at kyokushin karate and judo.
 
poison said:
It's not about making it more brutal. It's simply about adapting it to real life scenarios: what do you do if there's a knife? A gun? 3 attackers in the dark on a rocky beach? All the tools are there in many martial arts, the application of the techniques just isn't tweaked toward self-defense. Krav Maga is ONLY about survival against the worst odds, and they instruct with 90% of it being toward preparing you for knives, guns, bloody slippery floors, and other nasty stuff.

BJJ is bad for self defense. Go to the ground on the street, and die. But keep in mind Krav is poor for fighting; if you want to better yourself, or learn a comprehensive fighting art, and become a good fighter, krav is not for you either. It's the fastest way to saving your own life, though, IMO.


BTW, I'm in the same position as the OP: I'm looking to get back into training, it's been ten years. I took Shotokan as a teenager, and krav maga in the Israeli army and gov't. I don't care what discipline it is, as long as instruction is good, and it works in real life. I have Inosanto Academy nearby, as well as the main US Krav Maga center. I'm also looking at kyokushin karate and judo.
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You are sadly mistaken. Who said you had to pull-guard? Take a dude down, choke him out (or snap his arm), and you're done.
 
Rodja said:
You are sadly mistaken. Who said you had to pull-guard? Take a dude down, choke him out (or snap his arm), and you're done.
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Meanwhile one of his buddies sticks a knife into your kidney or busts your mug with a blunt object. BJJ is good stuff but best suited to one on one combat.
 
What about the other guy? Is he just cheering his buddy on? What if your attacker is alone, but with a knife? What if there are two with knives? Etc...

I have no doubt that in nearly any one on one, no weapons, BJJ will prevail, nearly every time if you have been doing it for a year or two seriously. If they trained you to deal with weapons, you could still probably maintain that. But add in attackers, you'll probably lose. Street thu8gs don't generally go it alone, and they attack the single or weak. BJJ is not for that kind of thing.
 
poison said:
What about the other guy? Is he just cheering his buddy on? What if your attacker is alone, but with a knife? What if there are two with knives? Etc...

I have no doubt that in nearly any one on one, no weapons, BJJ will prevail, nearly every time if you have been doing it for a year or two seriously. If they trained you to deal with weapons, you could still probably maintain that. But add in attackers, you'll probably lose.
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Very few "arts" are going to help if you're under multiple attackers with weapons.
 
Rodja said:
Very few "arts" are going to help if you're under multiple attackers with weapons.
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Yeah, I've also never really understood how the hell Krav Maga or anything for that matter is going to help you against a guy with a gun. Maybe someone that is experienced in Krav Maga could help me understand.
 
Alexander said:
Yeah, I've also never really understood how the hell Krav Maga or anything for that matter is going to help you against a guy with a gun. Maybe someone that is experienced in Krav Maga could help me understand.
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It's not going to help against the guy 15ft away firing at you. It can help against the guy with the gun 12" away from your head. Realistic self defense will teach you that if someone has a gun ... just give him your wallet, it's not worth your life. But say a guy has a gun to my head while his buddy is getting ready to rape my wife or I think this guy may just shoot me anyway; at that point I would be glad I had trained in weapons disarmament. IMHO
 
bpmartyr said:
It's not going to help against the guy 15ft away firing at you. It can help against the guy with the gun 12" away from your head. Realistic self defense will teach you that if someone has a gun ... just give him your wallet, it's not worth your life. But say a guy has a gun to my head while his buddy is getting ready to rape my wife or I think this guy may just shoot me anyway; at that point I would be glad I had trained in weapons disarmament. IMHO
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Right on. I guess/know some people are retarded. It seems anyone with half a brain would know to keep his distance if he had a gun, to control the situation. I do see how it could help in some situations. I guess the obvious answer is to know a mix of KM and basically MMA, maybe a 20/80 split as far as time training on each? As far as pure self defense goes in any possible situation.
 
Right on. ^ If you have a solid foundation in any good martial art, it would take little training to pick up krav maga concepts. About guns: krav maga is virtually the only place that will bring in a gun and show you how it works, let you hold it, etc; this gives knowledge, and takes away fear, preparing you for what might happen.
 
Alexander said:
Right on. I guess/know some people are retarded. It seems anyone with half a brain would know to keep his distance if he had a gun, to control the situation. I do see how it could help in some situations. I guess the obvious answer is to know a mix of KM and basically MMA, maybe a 20/80 split as far as time training on each? As far as pure self defense goes in any possible situation.
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Most thugs/criminals are retarded otherwise they would be making money and not stealing yours or beating people up to make them fell better about their day. I agree with your take on practicing both. The only martial arts I know that practice scenarios such as weapons, multiple attackers, and actually deescalating a bad situation so you can get away are Kajekenbo and Krav. I am sure others do this as well these are just the only ones I know of.

Again I think BJJ is awesome but too many things can go wrong on the ground even after you have incapacitated the other person.
 
I have taken the arts my whole life jj,bjj, judo etc. The only things I ever use in a street fight beside my hands(punching in the nose LOL). Is straight jj for trapping and judo to toss some a-hole if they come at me like a rhino. They are all great Martial Arts but you will always go with your instinct. They all have parts that are practical and parts that are more for sport. I love taking BJJ but dont want to go on the ground on a city sidewalk. For you guys that are leaving replys here that know what I am talking about, who have been in more that a couple of non high school brawls. So what is the best fighting style? That all depends on the situation at hand. I took a class for a while called FIGHT look it up its Krav.I use that in the street I go to jail. Best bet is to hose the ****er with some pepper spray LOL and drive home.
 
KM is also not power against power which is effective for a smaller person against a bigger person, BJJ and muay thai are all sports with weight classes, if you go down in a street fight with BJJ your guaranteed to get kicked in the head most of the time, but also KM strikes are mostly from muay thai front snap kick etc
Muay thai or KM
 
keater824 said:
KM is also not power against power which is effective for a smaller person against a bigger person, BJJ and muay thai are all sports with weight classes, if you go down in a street fight with BJJ your guaranteed to get kicked in the head most of the time, but also KM strikes are mostly from muay thai front snap kick etc
Muay thai or KM
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You obviously do not know the history of BJJ. Also, since when did BJJ become synonymous with lying on your back? I sure as hell wouldn't pull-guard if I had to, but I'll happily go for a TD, switch to mount, and pound away.
 
Eh, krav is all about seeing 360 degrees, NOT locking onto one opponent, finding the inner animal aggression, awareness, and lots o' eye-gouging-groin-kicking-throat-punching-ear-biting goodness. You absolutely don't want to concentrate on any one opponent, but punch one, push the next away then groin kick, eye jab another, then go around again until you can escape, or they're done. And triage the hell out of it: one has a knife, one doesn't, where are you located in relation, who's first? BJJ is taught as a competitive sport, for many, and it's all about locking on to one. It could be revised for self-defense, or applied well to KM, but classes at my local John Machado aren't going to help me much with 2+ attackers or weapons. They'd sure help kick the **** out of a KM guy in the ring, though. ;)
 
Rodja said:
You obviously do not know the history of BJJ. Also, since when did BJJ become synonymous with lying on your back? I sure as hell wouldn't pull-guard if I had to, but I'll happily go for a TD, switch to mount, and pound away.
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Word, and on the street you almost always get the back + mata leone
 
I just came across tis on another site. It is spot on, and successfully explains the KM mentality, and its uses:

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What you want to do is KO the ****er out while you are on your feet. Ground and pound in a street fight is not the smartest.
 
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