When to run Derma?

Pipes

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Im starting a cycle here shortly, epi/tren. Thinking of 8 weeks, may drop to 6. epi will be 30 for two weeks then up to 45, and maybe 60 for the last two weeks. tren 75 for 2 weeks then up to 90 for the duration. When should I use the dermacrine?
 
I would start it at the same time as everything else. Have always done this and never had any lethargy issues
 
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