when to Retain?

skinbelly

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The advertisement on Anabolic Xtreme's website says to take Retain post cycle, prior to PCT? So I should hold off starting Tamoxifen for a month while taking Retain? I couldn't find anything stating the reason. I'd be more comfortable taking it during PCT.
 
start both immediately after your done with whatever your doing. IF it's anything you don't want to put a hold on its a SERM during PCT.
 
Exactly. Retain is an anti-catabolic agent ideal for PCT.

FYI-in most cases I prefer to start my anti-cort products 1 week prior to starting PCT, that way it's fully circulating and working when your done with your stuff.
 
i read somewhere that cortisol has rebounding effects just like estrogen, anyone know if this is true? So in essence you would just be delaying the inevitable? Still good either way but anyone know if cortisol rebounds?
 
Tapering would be good, but really are you megadosing it? And reading the article as well brushing up on CME and BTPB homeostasis is always at work, but I really do not think the effect of Retain will cause a serious increase in cortisol after use. But I will tell you one thing you will know if you use to much, as too little cortisol causes joint issues, so be on the lookout for those symptoms, and as always follow AX directions on USE...
 
i have a bottle of retain as well as some other supps to take after a PP/SD cycle... did u say to start taking the retain 1 week prior to PCT and then start taking the other PCT supps
 
pistonpump said:
i read somewhere that cortisol has rebounding effects just like estrogen, anyone know if this is true? So in essence you would just be delaying the inevitable? Still good either way but anyone know if cortisol rebounds?
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Although part of this article talks about effects of Cortisol rebounding, it deals with the psychological effects. Personally, I'd be more concerned if for some reason the prolonged suppression would trigger a rise in cortisol after completion of cycle, and subsuquently inhibiting the production of of GH and test levels creating an environment for increased estrogen and fat storage??? It's a viscous circle dammit :D

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Well that is a great point Viper thanks! (:

So the moral of the story is dont stay on for more than the recommended time frame.
 
Apowerz6 said:
Well that is a great point Viper thanks! (:

So the moral of the story is dont stay on for more than the recommended time frame.
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The subliminal message is : Please send Viper a xxl AX t-shirt :D
 
Spartanlb11 said:
jeez if its that easy.. send me one too... been usin the AX priducts like crazy.. ill do some free advertising
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LOL, they know Im big enough to kick their butts at the Arnold if they dont give me one ;) Plus I ran around the Olympia with Anabolic Xtreme sticker on my a$$ for advertising, what will you do? lol


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^^^no offense, but somehow i don't think it would be as effective as FnF wearing one!!

FnF, how do you plan to outdo yourself at the Arnold??
 
alright ill come and give ya a hollar and let ya know who i am :), well ill be looking forward to see what you all have in store at your booth in columbus... ill be sure to try and find something to wear to advertise AE!! On every BB forum i have been on... you all seemed to be the most responsive, helpful, and willing to answer question... for this i have been swayed to use your products more and more... not to mention they have worked.
 
macedaddy said:
^^^no offense, but somehow i don't think it would be as effective as FnF wearing one!!

FnF, how do you plan to outdo yourself at the Arnold??
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Hmmmmm, Not sure yet ;) any requests ? :D
 
Apowerz6 said:
I do- but I respect Viperspit, my mom always told me to be afraid of the quiet ones :lol:
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Hmmm you pegged Viper pretty good huh! He is quiet....................Before the STORM :D


I guess that means I should be afraid of you too! You are on the quiet side, But I can always grab your ear and make you mind! Right!!!!!!!! :blink:
 
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