Unanswered When to incorporate prolactin inhibitor/GDA on MK677 (recovery protocol)

[Chamaan]

Hello,

I will have a knee surgery soon. It's a quite heavy one, including bone section, ligament graft, tendon translation and screws.
In this prospect, as i have professional and personal reasons to recover as quick as possible (in addition to the desire to come back in the gym asap), i have decided to take Ibutamoren (OL Ghar1ne) to help with recovery. I have alrerady tried Bpc157 and TB500 but didn't want to use it this time because i will already have blood thinner injections and i don't want to increase infection rates with excessive pinning.

I will also take Colllagen type I and III, Vit C, D, K, Cissus, Glucosamine and Chondroitine.

Since it is only for recovery purposes, I wish to keep the dosage of MK quite low, beginning at 10 mg for 4/5 weeks (during which i can't train at all) and if i don't experience too serious sides i will go up to 20 mg for at least 1 month (when i will start therapy and maybe light upper body training).

I have read that Mk main possible sides (among hunger and lethargy) are :
- Reduced insulin sensitivity and increased blood glucose level
So i bought Gycophase by SnS to help just in case

- Some prolactin secretion
So i bought Inhibit P by SnS in the same manner

So my question is :
When should i incorporate these supps knowing that i won't train at all to begin with, and my MK dosage will be quite low. Should i take them right away or wait for the first side effects (if any) ? Or should i juste take half a dose of each ? Knowing that i have one bottle of each : i can of course order more but if i can avoid it it's best.

Sorry for the long post. If some of you are interested in my recovery protocol i can post a log (surgery planed at the end of june).

Thanks in advance.

 

[Zman68]

If it were me I would start them as soon as you start the MK. Now I used 25mg of MK677 for 2 months but for GDA purposes I took 500mg Berberine and 1g agmatine in the morning and before bed and that worked well at keeping my blood glucose normal.

 

[ironkill]

Hello,

I will have a knee surgery soon. It's a quite heavy one, including bone section, ligament graft, tendon translation and screws.
In this prospect, as i have professional and personal reasons to recover as quick as possible (in addition to the desire to come back in the gym asap), i have decided to take Ibutamoren (OL Ghar1ne) to help with recovery. I have alrerady tried Bpc157 and TB500 but didn't want to use it this time because i will already have blood thinner injections and i don't want to increase infection rates with excessive pinning.

I will also take Colllagen type I and III, Vit C, D, K, Cissus, Glucosamine and Chondroitine.

Since it is only for recovery purposes, I wish to keep the dosage of MK quite low, beginning at 10 mg for 4/5 weeks (during which i can't train at all) and if i don't experience too serious sides i will go up to 20 mg for at least 1 month (when i will start therapy and maybe light upper body training).

I have read that Mk main possible sides (among hunger and lethargy) are :
- Reduced insulin sensitivity and increased blood glucose level
So i bought Gycophase by SnS to help just in case

- Some prolactin secretion
So i bought Inhibit P by SnS in the same manner

So my question is :
When should i incorporate these supps knowing that i won't train at all to begin with, and my MK dosage will be quite low. Should i take them right away or wait for the first side effects (if any) ? Or should i juste take half a dose of each ? Knowing that i have one bottle of each : i can of course order more but if i can avoid it it's best.

Sorry for the long post. If some of you are interested in my recovery protocol i can post a log (surgery planed at the end of june).

Thanks in advance.

I would be interested as I will be going through an ACL reconstructive graft as well in the near future. I will be using collagen, high dose fish oil, high dose vitamin C, oral BPC and photobiomodulation on top of ice and rehab exercises. May add MK as well based on your experience. This will be my second surgery on this knee, both ACL tears. Good luck

 

[SMS]

If it were me I would start them as soon as you start the MK. Now I used 25mg of MK677 for 2 months but for GDA purposes I took 500mg Berberine and 1g agmatine in the morning and before bed and that worked well at keeping my blood glucose normal.

wondering, why would you take it before bed?

 

[BroBrian]

Couple tips: you want undenatured collagen type 2 (Uc II)
Start mk with lower dose but I’d highly recommend upping to 25mg after assessing tolerance.

Berberine will work good enough for bgl if that’s a concern, take it before high carb meals. Or adjust your diet to include more low glycemic foods.

Most people will not experience a notable rise in prolactin. If you’re worried inhibit P will be more than enough.

 

[Zman68]

wondering, why would you take it before bed?

I would take my MK around bedtime, after a week of experimenting with different timing’s of the berberine/agmatine, the morning and bedtime dosages were the most effective at normalizing my BG values. Perhaps others respond differently but that worked very well for me.

 

[SMS]

I would take my MK around bedtime, after a week of experimenting with different timing’s of the berberine/agmatine, the morning and bedtime dosages were the most effective at normalizing my BG values. Perhaps others respond differently but that worked very well for me.

next time i run MK677, will put more attention to BG and GDA usage and see how i will respond, definitely will try this option too.

 

[Zman68]

next time i run MK677, will put more attention to BG and GDA usage and see how i will respond, definitely will try this option too.

Absolutely man, I got a BG reader and it was worth it, MK raised my BG 30 points in one week, berberine helped but honestly the agmatine w/ the berberine was the most effective. I'm sure using other GDA's like glycoshield or glycophase would do the trick as well but agmatine and berberine solo are cheap enough.

 

[SMS]

Absolutely man, I got a BG reader and it was worth it, MK raised my BG 30 points in one week, berberine helped but honestly the agmatine w/ the berberine was the most effective. I'm sure using other GDA's like glycoshield or glycophase would do the trick as well but agmatine and berberine solo are cheap enough.

thankfully got some agmantine, and Burn24, the problem for me is getting more of these ingredients/products around my country (since 2018..) will try to source out berberine and agmantine on eBay and hope it arrives. Cheers!!

 

[Chamaan]

If it were me I would start them as soon as you start the MK. Now I used 25mg of MK677 for 2 months but for GDA purposes I took 500mg Berberine and 1g agmatine in the morning and before bed and that worked well at keeping my blood glucose normal.

Thanks. When you are off MK (if you happen to be), does your BG go back to normal ranges ?

I would be interested as I will be going through an ACL reconstructive graft as well in the near future. I will be using collagen, high dose fish oil, high dose vitamin C, oral BPC and photobiomodulation on top of ice and rehab exercises. May add MK as well based on your experience. This will be my second surgery on this knee, both ACL tears. Good luck

Your supplementation looks very appropriate. You might want to add Glycine ? It's supposed to support collagen reconstructive action, i suppose for a graft that would help. Anyway i will try a log or at least a feedback to keep you updated.

Couple tips: you want undenatured collagen type 2 (Uc II)
Start mk with lower dose but I’d highly recommend upping to 25mg after assessing tolerance.

Berberine will work good enough for bgl if that’s a concern, take it before high carb meals. Or adjust your diet to include more low glycemic foods.

Most people will not experience a notable rise in prolactin. If you’re worried inhibit P will be more than enough.

Thanks for the advice. For collagen, type II is better for sure but more expensive so I'd rather take more of other types instead. I will start MK at 10mg to assess tolerance as you recommend.

So my take home points are that i will start Glycophase right away and manage diet to exclude high glycemic foods.
I will also use inhibit P right away but starting half dose.

 

[Zman68]

Thanks. When you are off MK (if you happen to be), does your BG go back to normal ranges ?


My BG did go back down and has been normal since I have been off. Looking forward to using it again on a bulk, the hunger increase I experienced was unreal.

 

[Chamaan]

Thanks, good to know that if I **** up it's reversible