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When in doubt empty the magazine... - GMG760's Epistane Cycle

Silver3CSRT8 said:
I heard that it the new stack for serious mass. This dude at my gym said you don't even need a PCT and can stay on it for 3 months straight.:woohoo:
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And we know that gym-dudes don't lie!! :ntome:
 
jsalmons119 said:
haha and the guy also said that it was a strong natural test booster. he works at golds and doesnt know what a serm is either:pose:
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I'm not at all surprised to hear that. You ought to see some of the personal trainers in the gyms in my town. A lot of them look like they don't even workout. Or very little anyway. Sad. :sad:
 
So I just put in another purchase of some goodies... Getting ready for my upcomming Mdrol/Hdrol run... I just got my hands on some CEL cycle assist... I like the idea of tabs vs powder for those support supplements... that stuff was just terrible during my last cycle. Glad CEL makes this product. I also picked up some MMV2 and ECA... I haven't ever used ECA, but I have been tossing the idea around in my head to run a quick month of MMV2 and ECA before my next real serious cycle... But at the same time I have been thinking that since I haven't ran either of the compounds I have been thinking about running, I might just want to dose the Mdrol, and save the hdrol for the next run... I dunno though... any thoughts?

I am totally up in the air as to what I want to run next... but if I do end up just doing a one compound run this next go around, I think I am gonna hit up the MMV2 in the meanwhile, starting next weekish (when my order arrives) trim up with that along side a little ECA for a month, and then do a light PCT of formadrol for 2 weeks. Probably take a month off after the Formadrol is over, and then hit up the Mdrol.

I personally felt NO shutdown on MMV2, I have taken it twice, only used novedex XT for pct, no problems at all... any thoughts about the quick month of trimming up?
 
M-Drol alone is very potent, but my next cycle I am really considering the P-Plex -> M-Drol bridge. 3 weeks of M-Drol was good enough for me and I can confirm that it was rougher on my body by week 3 than Epistane. Based on what I have read I would say run H-Drol first and then move into the M-Drol or just stick with a shorter M-Drol cycle.

I also agree with you on the CEL cycle assist. I purchased that a couple weeks ago and I am on day 2 (ran out of Cycle Support). So far I am not noticing any differences between the 2 compounds and the fact that it is capped makes a 100% difference for me.

I am actually using TGs poor man's ECA stack. It consists of the PsuedoEphedrine, Caffine and Asprin from CVS or Walmart. I have been taking it on workout days only for the added bump and I feel like it helps.
 
GMG760 said:
I also picked up some MMV2 and ECA... I haven't ever used ECA, but I have been tossing the idea around in my head to run a quick month of MMV2 and ECA before my next real serious cycle...

I am totally up in the air as to what I want to run next... but if I do end up just doing a one compound run this next go around, I think I am gonna hit up the MMV2 in the meanwhile, starting next weekish (when my order arrives) trim up with that along side a little ECA for a month, and then do a light PCT of formadrol for 2 weeks. Probably take a month off after the Formadrol is over, and then hit up the Mdrol.

I personally felt NO shutdown on MMV2, I have taken it twice, only used novedex XT for pct, no problems at all... any thoughts about the quick month of trimming up?
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You will really enjoy the ECA stack G-Money. Great energy. And the plan that I underlined sounds great to me bro. The light 2 week PCT with Formadrol should be sufficient for such a mild compound like MMV2. Strange how it is so mild, and yet jacks me up so strongly. :think: I call it "encapsulated rage"!! :aargh: Then a month off after PCT should have you primed and ready for that M-Drol blast. Kick some ass G-Dawg!! :twisted:
 
Honestly, I think we should just limit it to a 2.5 to 3 week M-Drol burst - since its a very strong compound. Not sure the H-Drol will have any added benefit - especially at the doses you were talking about running. I just want to feel M standalone - and in the safest possible manner.

I think the short term cut is an awesome idea. That's what I just started last week. I'm down to about 184 / 185 ish - feeling great. I'm not going to use anything hormonal however - just Size On (mostly for strength and recovery) and my usual supplementation. You know you don't need MMV2 to cut....
 
TimberLakers said:
Honestly, I think we should just limit it to a 2.5 to 3 week M-Drol burst - since its a very strong compound. Not sure the H-Drol will have any added benefit - especially at the doses you were talking about running. I just want to feel M standalone - and in the safest possible manner...
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Great advice T-Styles!! :clap2: I would leave out the H-Drol as well. M-Drol on its own takes a toll on lipids and liver values. No need to place any further stresses on your body. You guys be sure to take 10 to 20 grams of Fish Oil everyday. And I would recommend 40 mg. of Policosanol everyday as well. And of course, the Milk Thistle and Hawthorn Berries. Well, you guys know!! I'm just preaching to the choir. You guys have learned so much since you've been here, I'm going to be asking you guys for advice pretty soon. Keep up the awesome work broskis!! :thumbsup:
 
thundergod said:
I'm not at all surprised to hear that. You ought to see some of the personal trainers in the gyms in my town. A lot of them look like they don't even workout. Or very little anyway. Sad. :sad:
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my buddy got hired as a personal trainer and he doesnt know jack, he just juices without a pct and wonders why his balls shrank and he lost his gains. oh but he got his info from the guy at the supplement shop.

Oh and mdrol didnt do jack for me. Any thoughts on why? My diet, supports, and pct and training and rest were perfect.
 
jsalmons119 said:
my buddy got hired as a personal trainer and he doesnt know jack, he just juices without a pct and wonders why his balls shrank and he lost his gains. oh but he got his info from the guy at the supplement shop.

Oh and mdrol didnt do jack for me. Any thoughts on why? My diet, supports, and pct and training and rest were perfect.
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I don't believe everything was "perfect".
 
Silver3CSRT8 said:
Wasn't by accident. Ignorance maybe. I did prove my nutsack is resilient and likes to hang low. Believe it or not I have learned from you crazy mofos!
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the fact that you've learned anything from these nutjobs is amazing! I think your liver will die from osmosis from just being on GMG's thread:-)
 
...not to say that everyone responds to every product though!

everyone is different...history tells us that most people repond well to SD and when results are minimal it's not because of your supps.

read my siggy
 
jsalmons119 said:
my buddy got hired as a personal trainer and he doesnt know jack, he just juices without a pct and wonders why his balls shrank and he lost his gains. oh but he got his info from the guy at the supplement shop.

Oh and mdrol didnt do jack for me. Any thoughts on why? My diet, supports, and pct and training and rest were perfect.
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There are 'non-responders' out there but with CEL M-Drol it's extremely rare. There's such a high anabolic effect, just the extra protein synthesis should've netted some gains. If everything was 'perfect' you would've likely seen gains. What was your diet? M-Drol is a carb monster so your carbs may have been low. How were the side effects? What dose do you run / length?
 
I'm planning on eating lettuce and sugar packets from Starbucks - also I will avoid lifting weights or physical activity.

If I don't gain weight, your products are complete bullsh*t.
 
GMG760 said:
So I just put in another purchase of some goodies... Getting ready for my upcomming Mdrol/Hdrol run... I just got my hands on some CEL cycle assist... I like the idea of tabs vs powder for those support supplements... that stuff was just terrible during my last cycle. Glad CEL makes this product. I also picked up some MMV2 and ECA... I haven't ever used ECA, but I have been tossing the idea around in my head to run a quick month of MMV2 and ECA before my next real serious cycle... But at the same time I have been thinking that since I haven't ran either of the compounds I have been thinking about running, I might just want to dose the Mdrol, and save the hdrol for the next run... I dunno though... any thoughts?

I am totally up in the air as to what I want to run next... but if I do end up just doing a one compound run this next go around, I think I am gonna hit up the MMV2 in the meanwhile, starting next weekish (when my order arrives) trim up with that along side a little ECA for a month, and then do a light PCT of formadrol for 2 weeks. Probably take a month off after the Formadrol is over, and then hit up the Mdrol.

I personally felt NO shutdown on MMV2, I have taken it twice, only used novedex XT for pct, no problems at all... any thoughts about the quick month of trimming up?
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I start ECA on monday, and I'm fcukin' PSYCHED home-skillet!!! It's been so long since I partook of "the crack of the gods"!
 
I must be behind...what's ECA?
 
Ziquor said:
There are 'non-responders' out there but with CEL M-Drol it's extremely rare. There's such a high anabolic effect, just the extra protein synthesis should've netted some gains. If everything was 'perfect' you would've likely seen gains. What was your diet? M-Drol is a carb monster so your carbs may have been low. How were the side effects? What dose do you run / length?
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of course nothing is ''PERFECT'' but I damn well planned it out. I noticed some hardening in my arms and raised blood pressure and bloody noses were my only sides and I was taking plenty of hawthorne berries, but no size or weight gain. My carbs were very high, between 500-700g at least, protein was about 300g, and fats were around 70-100g depending on the day. I did take my fast carbs during and after with enough protein. I dosed it at 20/20/30 but stopped on day 18 because i just wasnt getting the gains. I did great on Pplex and h drol though. I eat very clean, chicken and oatmeal and peanut butter and whey casein soy protein blend, broccoli, fruit. I unfortunately tried sustevol a couple years back (good gains but very very STUPID of me, so please dont tell me how ignorant I am) and i did the proper pct and used all pre during and post cycle supplements and I noticed that the superdrol compounds were different but anyway that is my history and like I mentioned earlier I had great results from CEL's HDrol and PPlex. Maybe im not one of the fortunate SD responders, because there are some out there like me.
 
GMG760 said:
So I just put in another purchase of some goodies... Getting ready for my upcomming Mdrol/Hdrol run... I just got my hands on some CEL cycle assist... I like the idea of tabs vs powder for those support supplements... that stuff was just terrible during my last cycle. Glad CEL makes this product. I also picked up some MMV2 and ECA... I haven't ever used ECA, but I have been tossing the idea around in my head to run a quick month of MMV2 and ECA before my next real serious cycle... But at the same time I have been thinking that since I haven't ran either of the compounds I have been thinking about running, I might just want to dose the Mdrol, and save the hdrol for the next run... I dunno though... any thoughts?

I am totally up in the air as to what I want to run next... but if I do end up just doing a one compound run this next go around, I think I am gonna hit up the MMV2 in the meanwhile, starting next weekish (when my order arrives) trim up with that along side a little ECA for a month, and then do a light PCT of formadrol for 2 weeks. Probably take a month off after the Formadrol is over, and then hit up the Mdrol.

I personally felt NO shutdown on MMV2, I have taken it twice, only used novedex XT for pct, no problems at all... any thoughts about the quick month of trimming up?
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Which ECA stack did you get? I'm also running the poor man's ECA like silver. Works well though. I only use it when i need a boost b/c that **** is awesome:aargh:. I don't know which ECA stacks out there are **** and which ones are good so I'm interested in which one you bought and then really interested in the effects. oh and if mmv2 does what you guys say it does, you may end up going on a killing spree when you mix the two
 
jsalmons119 said:
of course nothing is ''PERFECT'' but I damn well planned it out. I noticed some hardening in my arms and raised blood pressure and bloody noses were my only sides and I was taking plenty of hawthorne berries, but no size or weight gain. My carbs were very high, between 500-700g at least, protein was about 300g, and fats were around 70-100g depending on the day. I did take my fast carbs during and after with enough protein. I dosed it at 20/20/30 but stopped on day 18 because i just wasnt getting the gains. I did great on Pplex and h drol though. I eat very clean, chicken and oatmeal and peanut butter and whey casein soy protein blend, broccoli, fruit. I unfortunately tried sustevol a couple years back (good gains but very very STUPID of me, so please dont tell me how ignorant I am) and i did the proper pct and used all pre during and post cycle supplements and I noticed that the superdrol compounds were different but anyway that is my history and like I mentioned earlier I had great results from CEL's HDrol and PPlex. Maybe im not one of the fortunate SD responders, because there are some out there like me.
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Very strange indeed, most people net 10+ pounds from 10mg. When did you run your last cycle before the M-Drol?
 
Ziquor said:
Very strange indeed, most people net 10+ pounds from 10mg. When did you run your last cycle before the M-Drol?
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yes indeed. I know CEL makes great products, so that shouldnt not be the issue. I bridged from weeks of epi right before at a 40/40 and before that it would be about 9 months since my last cycle. And from the total of 5 weeks I didnt really get any gains in strength or size, just the hardening in my arms from the Mdrol. I never had any shutdown, atrophy, nothing either. But the elevated blood pressure was a sign that something was working...
 
jsalmons119 said:
yes indeed. I know CEL makes great products, so that shouldnt not be the issue. I bridged from weeks of epi right before at a 40/40 and before that it would be about 9 months since my last cycle. And from the total of 5 weeks I didnt really get any gains in strength or size, just the hardening in my arms from the Mdrol. I never had any shutdown, atrophy, nothing either. But the elevated blood pressure was a sign that something was working...
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That bridge may be partly it. I know someone who normally has good results from SD clones and did an Epi-SD bridge and once he moved to the SD his gains ceased.

WTF did GMG go?
 
He's been really busy with work... People always get married around this time of year - so he's gotta stack cheddar to last through the slower winter months to feed his supplement and meat addictions.
 
jsalmons119 said:
yes indeed. I know CEL makes great products, so that shouldnt not be the issue. I bridged from weeks of epi right before at a 40/40 and before that it would be about 9 months since my last cycle. And from the total of 5 weeks I didnt really get any gains in strength or size, just the hardening in my arms from the Mdrol. I never had any shutdown, atrophy, nothing either. But the elevated blood pressure was a sign that something was working...
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Perhaps another reason to run M as a standalone... Given H Drol is much different than Epi - but I just want to see how this rolls solo I think.
 
Ziquor said:
That bridge may be partly it. I know someone who normally has good results from SD clones and did an Epi-SD bridge and once he moved to the SD his gains ceased.

WTF did GMG go?
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I'm right here brotha!

I've been working my ass off. I've been reading all the threads, just chillin in the background... just not much time to reply. Plus you guys gotta realize that I am in San Diego. I am still at work for 3-5 hours when most of you are off...

I keep my workouts written down, so I have decided to update my workouts once or twice a week rather than every night... I just have stuff to deal with right now.

I am taking the "red hotz" ECA... it was pretty cheap, I only need a months worth. I have an idea what it will be like with that and MMV2... I have ran MMV2 twice, and I LOVE IT... it should be a good month to tide me over, lean me out, keep me strong, and not shut me down while I let my body have some time between my Epistane and Mdrol cycles.
 
GMG760 said:
I'm right here brotha!

I've been working my ass off. I've been reading all the threads, just chillin in the background... just not much time to reply. Plus you guys gotta realize that I am in San Diego. I am still at work for 3-5 hours when most of you are off...

I keep my workouts written down, so I have decided to update my workouts once or twice a week rather than every night... I just have stuff to deal with right now.

I am taking the "red hotz" ECA... it was pretty cheap, I only need a months worth. I have an idea what it will be like with that and MMV2... I have ran MMV2 twice, and I LOVE IT... it should be a good month to tide me over, lean me out, keep me strong, and not shut me down while I let my body have some time between my Epistane and Mdrol cycles.
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You sneaky bastard! That's a move one of those neggers would make :o

Did someone say Cheddar?
 
How much weight did you gain and have kept at this point? I am lookin for a next cylce in a couple of months, and was thinkin bout some epistane.
 
djglow05 said:
How much weight did you gain and have kept at this point? I am lookin for a next cylce in a couple of months, and was thinkin bout some epistane.
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I gained 11 lbs from beginning to end of my cycle. Stayed at the same BF%. During PCT I have gained a bit of BF, and gained 2 lbs on the scale... So I kept it all so far.

I am probably gonna drop to 185ish over the next month because of the ECA. But I'll probably go into the Mdrol at around 185-190 LBM, which means 200 is achievable very easily with the Mdrol... that's my goal... to hit 200 by the new year. we'll see what happens. I am 7 lbs away right now, but since I am going to re-comp a bit... well, I dunno... but I think it's doable since most of that weight I need is going to be on my legs, which are still growing like weeds, but need to catch up to the rest of my body.
 
Ziquor said:
You sneaky bastard! That's a move one of those neggers would make :o

Did someone say Cheddar?
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What did I say about letting those nasty, lazy, not-looking-for-a-job neggers into the neighborhood??!! They'll ruin it everytime!! :blink::run:
 
GMG760 said:
I gained 11 lbs from beginning to end of my cycle. Stayed at the same BF%. During PCT I have gained a bit of BF, and gained 2 lbs on the scale... So I kept it all so far.

I am probably gonna drop to 185ish over the next month because of the ECA. But I'll probably go into the Mdrol at around 185-190 LBM, which means 200 is achievable very easily with the Mdrol... that's my goal... to hit 200 by the new year. we'll see what happens. I am 7 lbs away right now, but since I am going to re-comp a bit... well, I dunno... but I think it's doable since most of that weight I need is going to be on my legs, which are still growing like weeds, but need to catch up to the rest of my body.
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I'm right there with you. I'm looking to go into the M-Drol at a dry and lean 182 to 185 depending on my LBM building naturally. I'm going to set my goal at 195 post cycle (after I shed the water and food weight following the M-Drol run... I would hope to hit the 200 mark near the end - I'm not pretending the whole mass I gain will be lean.
 
I think for what you guys are looking at M-Drol will work great. Although I know I didn't have all my supplements in place I shot from 190 to 207 using M-Drol and my body changed significantly. Going back I think I would have stayed on the 10/20/20 because the sides at 30 were definately more noticable. With the shape that you guys are in I think M-Drol will work wonders!
 
GMG760 said:
Yea dude, IMO you want to be sub 12% BF for real results from it.
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Agreed. Sort of. I first took it at 17% and had decent results at flattening out the lower abs. It'll work better at a low bf (which is why I'm gonna hit it up again now :thumbsup:), but you'll get some nice help from it at a higher %.
 
So I came across a product while perusing around the pro-hormone market on the internet today... as I do almost every day... Yes, I admit I am a sup junkie.

Anyway, I came across this compound. Not really interested in trying it, but just curious as to wtf it was since I didn't recognize it's chemical name... I suck at chemistry though.

13-Ethyl-3-Methoxy-Gona-2,5(10)-Diene-17-One 25mg

Just curious. There hasn't been enough good chemical banter lately. :D
 
Nevermind. It's MaxLMG. It's a progestin... anyone ran this compound? similar to the tren compounds?
 
GMG760 said:
Nevermind. It's MaxLMG. It's a progestin... anyone ran this compound? similar to the tren compounds?
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No - this is more of a 'wet' gainer. Some people liked it others hate it. I'd personally never run it as shutdown would likely be worse than regular androgens being it a potent progestin, plus chemically it's nearly identical to the drug they give to sex offenders to kill their libido. It's gains wouldn't be worth it IMO.

As far as I'm concerned hormones that have potent progesterone activity = BAD
 
Ziquor said:
No - this is more of a 'wet' gainer. Some people liked it others hate it. I'd personally never run it as shutdown would likely be worse than regular androgens being it a potent progestin, plus chemically it's nearly identical to the drug they give to sex offenders to kill their libido. It's gains wouldn't be worth it IMO.

As far as I'm concerned hormones that have potent progesterone activity = BAD
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I wonder if GMG knows that we know that he's still trying to find something devious to stack with M Drol. :lol:
 
Ziquor said:
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As far as I'm concerned hormones that have potent progesterone activity = BAD
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Except for ALRI Methoxy TRN. I love that stuff!! I feel strong and mean on that shizz!! :bb3::twisted:
 
TimberLakers said:
I wonder if GMG knows that we know that he's still trying to find something devious to stack with M Drol. :lol:
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LOL. Damn am I that obvious? :D I might want to stack something, but it's not gonna be a progestin. Actually, I really don't want to stack anything with it. I am sure it's gonna be a handful by itself. I just have this little devil wispering in my ear :twisted: ... I think you call him Loki, right TG?
 
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