When do SD side manifest themselves?

parttimer

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I have been on SD for about 5 days now at 10 mgs. I was wondering when I would start to see sides? I am going to up it to 20 mgs tomorrow since I weigh 270 I think I could probably use a little more. I did PP for 4 weeks with no noticeable sides.
 
I would say increasing the dose for you would be wise. 270? What's your BF if you don't mind me asking? How did PP work for you? I was lethargic at 20 mgs and had nipple sensetivity but nothing else. I felt like I was on something, like a flu feeling but with super human strength.
 
I noticed them at 20mg/d at week 2, but they were minor. lethargy is pretty bad tho. I'm 230. I didn't notice much at 10mg at my weight, at your weight it'll do even less.
 
I just had a touch of cramping everynow and then at 40mg - and i am tiny compared to you! Guess everyone reacts differently.
 
I'm a week in on 20 mgs.

I've been on Phera for 30 mg and the lethargy is just crazy. I get 10 hours of sleep a night and barely get bye without any naps.
 
I was fine for about 3 weeks on 30mgs. The 4th week though the back pumps and horrible headaches really started to take a toll. Luckily the sides didn't really surface until that final week. During PCT I was back to normal.
 
interesting.. I've just been lethargic and noticed severe bloat with phera-phlex..

The 20 mgs of Superdrol and 20 mgs of Phera-phlex I'm taking seem to cancel each other out if that makes sense. Superdrol is supposedly a dieretic so I really know "how much fat I have".. before I'd look in the mirror and it was tough to say because of bloat

But anyway..

The more and more I take this crap the more and more I come to the conclusion that I'm getting bigger from being consistent and working hard. Sure 20 mgs of "Superdrol" will have some effect but it's the work that's going into the gains... not superdrol or something else.

This is off topic but when people go on cycles, they finally get their training in order and are consistent for a specific amount of time.. 10 weeks or whatever, they notice results and automatically assume its the supplementation. I think you'll find you'll improve by just continually "going to work".. those are just my observations..
 
The jump from 20mg to 30mg is when I noticed. I began to feel sluggish and noticed more joint and tendon soreness.
 
My current BF is about 24% which is down almost 5% after the PP cycle. I gained nearly 17lbs during the cycle not counting the decrease in bodyfat weight. I absolutely loved the PP cycle. I can't wait to run another. I had practically zero sides from the PP, only some oily skin and a few pimples on my back. No nip issues or lethargy. I actually had a good sense of well being. I was very mellow while on it. I ended my PP cycle at 30mgs. Only one day did I have a headache but that was a water issue. After chugging a bunch the headache subsided. I am going to up the dose today to 20mgs and hopefully the sides won't rear their ugly head.
 
rufjunk said:
interesting.. I've just been lethargic and noticed severe bloat with phera-phlex..

The 20 mgs of Superdrol and 20 mgs of Phera-phlex I'm taking seem to cancel each other out if that makes sense. Superdrol is supposedly a dieretic so I really know "how much fat I have".. before I'd look in the mirror and it was tough to say because of bloat

But anyway..

The more and more I take this crap the more and more I come to the conclusion that I'm getting bigger from being consistent and working hard. Sure 20 mgs of "Superdrol" will have some effect but it's the work that's going into the gains... not superdrol or something else.

This is off topic but when people go on cycles, they finally get their training in order and are consistent for a specific amount of time.. 10 weeks or whatever, they notice results and automatically assume its the supplementation. I think you'll find you'll improve by just continually "going to work".. those are just my observations..
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dude. it's the drugs. trust me. you stop the pp or superdrol or whatever else u take. put together a pct of what u deem would work. then after the pct go cold turkey (drugwise) and keep going to the gym "working hard" and you will see that it is not so easy to "work hard" anymore without the drugs. not only do the drugs make you grow & cut down recovery time, but the type of concentration, hypertrophy and pain you experience during the workout is very different.
 
parttimer said:
I have been on SD for about 5 days now at 10 mgs. I was wondering when I would start to see sides? I am going to up it to 20 mgs tomorrow since I weigh 270 I think I could probably use a little more. I did PP for 4 weeks with no noticeable sides.
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I'm on day 17 of a 20/20/20 cycle and I've had horrible back pumps since day 4. Other than that a little acne, sleep good at night, bp is high and I've gained 15lbs so far, started at 238lbs. I decided on the 20/20/20 because I noticed most people started seeing sides in the 3rd with concurrently with upping the dosage. You prob definitely need to take at least 20.
 
phasar said:
dude. it's the drugs. trust me. you stop the pp or superdrol or whatever else u take. put together a pct of what u deem would work. then after the pct go cold turkey (drugwise) and keep going to the gym "working hard" and you will see that it is not so easy to "work hard" anymore without the drugs. not only do the drugs make you grow & cut down recovery time, but the type of concentration, hypertrophy and pain you experience during the workout is very different.
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I know what you mean.. I've been consistent for the past 4-5 months and supplemented with Halodrol too.

I'm actually the most "sluggish" while being on Phera and Superdrol so far. Even cold turkey I felt more energetic, my weights were somewhat what they usually are when I was off... my weights haven't dramatically increased yet anyway...

I've noticed that cold turkey I can't "go as long".. if that makes sense, I sorta feel like I don't "have it in me" after a certain amount of sets.. where as with Superdrol, phera, or halodrol, I can go longer.. I've just been drowsy lately.

I noticed more of a dramatic weight increase from Halodrol.. also I'm doing a powerlifting regimen so I haven't had the oppurtunitiy to really test out of my strength yet...so it's also hard to gauge things.

Anyway, I just wanted to dismiss that it's totally the drugs. There are times where I wish I was on nothing.. that way I could at least get 10 hours of sleep and feel satisfied during the day.. have my eyes not be drowsy as crap yet still make gains...
 
rufjunk said:
Anyway, I just wanted to dismiss that it's totally the drugs. There are times where I wish I was on nothing.. that way I could at least get 10 hours of sleep and feel satisfied during the day.. have my eyes not be drowsy as crap yet still make gains...
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fair enough. i can gauge more or less what you are saying. i guess i could force myself to "push" extra hard even during pct and after pct. but with years of experience, i find i gain very little if anything when off cycle and pushing myself extra hard usually ends up even worse. nowadays, i try to completely overkill while on cycle, accepting that i will lose about half of my gains after pct. because i find if i look "just right" while on cycle, that will not be good enough, since it will only get worse from what i am looking at in the mirror once pct and thereafter begins.
 
I noticed sides at about day 5 while doing 10mg a day. My starting weight was only 190 so that is probably why. I upped the dosage to 20 mg on the 6th day and my bp skyrocketed. I lowered the dose back to 10mg and finished the cycle. The only sides I had were very very intense back pumps. I recommend stretching atleast once a day while on.
 
The real sides of SD are not visible, since are related to your lipid values.
 
This is off topic but when people go on cycles, they finally get their training in order and are consistent for a specific amount of time.. 10 weeks or whatever, they notice results and automatically assume its the supplementation. I think you'll find you'll improve by just continually "going to work".. those are just my observations..[/QUOTE]



I very much agree with that, nicely said
 
Syr said:
The real sides of SD are not visible, since are related to your lipid values.
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I am not meaning to attack you, but what is your definition of real sides? When I got back pumps so bad my back went in to spasms I would say that is a real side. I don't mean to sound like a **** but there are other sides that are "real."

I totally agree that cholesterol values cannot be detected while you are on unless you have lab work done. They should normalize though post cycle. I don't know what kind of impact a month or two of trashed cholesterol values.
 
How badly are liver enzyme values affected? I had a blood test 4 days after a 4 week 20mg per day M1T cycle and my liver enzyme values were quite high and I'm just wondering if SD is just a harsh on the liver since it is methyated.
 
phil216 said:
How badly are liver enzyme values affected? I had a blood test 4 days after a 4 week 20mg per day M1T cycle and my liver enzyme values were quite high and I'm just wondering if SD is just a harsh on the liver since it is methyated.
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4 weeks on 20grams m1t. WOW! don't worry, if you can do that, you can definately do sd. sd is not as harsh on your liver. but if the lethargy you feel on m1t is let's assume 100%. then the lethargy while on sd relative to that would only be around 40%. so you'll be fine with sd. perhaps try pherplex if u haven't bought the sd yet....
 
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