What's your COVID-19 gameplan?

thebigt said:
I don't know-you tell me, what do they do?
Click to expand...
This is what they do, according to them: Invalid Link Removed

I cant find much on their actual powers when a new virus is detected, if they even have any.
 
China had reported only 41 cases between the 2nd of Jan 2020 and the 12th of Jan 2020, not "tens of thousands". In fact, it was 41 cases reported on the 2nd of jan, and no further cases reported by the 12th of jan 2020.

But they were still closely monitoring China, despite there being 10 days where apparently noone else became infected. Hindsight tells us this was likely hidden due to discord between Wuhan officials and the national Government. Once it began going global, the cat was out of the bag and the reporting of cases starting increasing a bit more.

They were likely misleading the world, but if they are only reporting 41 to the WHO, and even provided contact tracing of almost 800 others who were directly exposed (with no further cases coming from those) then it doesnt really boggle my mind why they were "slow to react".

Invalid Link Removed
 
Last edited:
Jiigzz said:
China had reported only 41 cases between the 2nd of Jan 2020 and the 12th of Jan 2020, not "tens of thousands". In fact, it was 41 cases reported on the 2nd of jan, and no further cases reported by the 12th of jan 2020.

But they were still closely monitoring China, despite there being 10 days where apparently noone else became infected. Hindsight tells us this was likely hidden due to discord between Wuhan officials and the national Government. Once it began going global, the cat was out of the bag and the reporting of cases starting increasing a bit more.

They were likely misleading the world, but if they are only reporting 41 to the WHO, and even provided contact tracing of almost 800 others who were directly exposed (with no further cases coming from those) then it doesnt really boggle my mind why they were "slow to react".

Invalid Link Removed
Click to expand...

Key word being “reported”. A 5 yr old could look at global numbers and call BS. Essentially (what a great word), WHO is a glorified secretary/parrot being paid a handsome salary. I’m in the wrong business. They are right there next to weathermen.
 
SkRaw85 said:
Key word being “reported”. A 5 yr old could look at global numbers and call BS. Essentially (what a great word), WHO is a glorified secretary/parrot being paid a handsome salary. I’m in the wrong business. They are right there next to weathermen.
Click to expand...
the close ties the head of WHO has with Chinese government really calls for some serious questions, imo.
 
thebigt said:
the close ties the head of WHO has with Chinese government really calls for some serious questions, imo.
Click to expand...

What? And risk another attempt at an impeachment process? Come on.
 
jarrellt67 said:
We both know there will be another attempt regardless. Heavin forbid Congress actually accomplish something or be useful...
Click to expand...
in all fairness too much politics being played by both sides...they need to look out for what is best for the country, regardless of which side thinks it's scoring political points.
 
Navarro says china hid virus from world, is hoarding ppe for profit.
 
thebigt said:
both sides should be onboard with this, to important to be playing politics!!!
Click to expand...

Yeah, but you've seen how it goes when Trump tries to get an investigation into the corrupt goings-on of other countries. Apparently it's an impeachable offense because it may benefit him politically.
 
HIT4ME said:
Yeah, but you've seen how it goes when Trump tries to get an investigation into the corrupt goings-on of other countries. Apparently it's an impeachable offense because it may benefit him politically.
Click to expand...
and it seems if trump is for something it is unfortunately automatic that democrats are against it..this nonsense needs to stop.
 
SkRaw85 said:
Key word being “reported”. A 5 yr old could look at global numbers and call BS. Essentially (what a great word), WHO is a glorified secretary/parrot being paid a handsome salary. I’m in the wrong business. They are right there next to weathermen.
Click to expand...
You realise that by the 14 of jan there was no global cases, right?

You're talking about knowledge you have now in hindsight. Everyone can look back now and say "oh they must have been misreporting numbers". But in the midst of it that's something else entirely
 
Last edited:
muscleupcrohn said:
That’s 0.8% if you’re using Russia’s numbers, which I would NOT take at face value.

Do they not teach fractions and decimals in school anymore?
Click to expand...
at least Russia uses same numeric symbols as us, I guess that is why it's easier for Chinese to falsify numbers, lol.
 
Jiigzz said:
You realise that by the 14 of jan there was no global cases, right?

You're talking about knowledge you have now in hindsight. Everyone can look back now and say "oh they must have been misreporting numbers". Duh. But in the midst of it that's something else entirely
Click to expand...
for the sake of fairness he might be referring to numbers that were coming from china-and WHO were reporting as factual?

what do you think of the stories being circulated that coronavirus did not start in the wet market?

look forward to your reply, i often learn from your posts!!!
 
Dwayne 'the rock' Johnson says he is 'practicing making babies' with his wife while in quarantine....that is what I call a 'reproductive' use of time, lol.
 
thebigt said:
for the sake of fairness he might be referring to numbers that were coming from china-and WHO were reporting as factual?

what do you think of the stories being circulated that coronavirus did not start in the wet market?

look forward to your reply, i often learn from your posts!!!
Click to expand...
Yeah, but so early into a novel virus and you kinda have to rely on the origin country being honest in their reporting. I mean, the WHO aren't ever going to have the capability to test thousands of people in another country, especially when a novel virus is just kicking off.

You are going to need to rely on people being admitted into local hospitals, tested and reported on. Could the WHO have done better, I'm sure they could have. People can always do better and hopefully they'll learn from it.

I haven't really looked into the stories on its origin so far if I'm honest.
 
Finger pointing while we are still trying to fight a virus is a waste of energy and resources. Once it's over, then you can look into what went wrong and where and hopefully learn some things from it.

I just dont see the point trying to play the blame game in the middle of a pandemic
 
Jiigzz said:
Yeah, but so early into a novel virus and you kinda have to rely on the origin country being honest in their reporting. I mean, the WHO aren't ever going to have the capability to test thousands of people in another country, especially when a novel virus is just kicking off.

You are going to need to rely on people being admitted into local hospitals, tested and reported on. Could the WHO have done better, I'm sure they could have. People can always do better and hopefully they'll learn from it.

I haven't really looked into the stories on its origin so far if I'm honest.
Click to expand...
isn't it standard operating procedure for WHO to have their people on the ground overseeing?
 
Jiigzz said:
Finger pointing while we are still trying to fight a virus is a waste of energy and resources. Once it's over, then you can look into what went wrong and where and hopefully learn some things from it.

I just dont see the point trying to play the blame game in the middle of a pandemic
Click to expand...
i agree, but investigating to find facts that might be relevant to the ongoing pandemic is also appropriate!!!
 
Jiigzz said:
You realise that by the 14 of jan there was no global cases, right?

You're talking about knowledge you have now in hindsight. Everyone can look back now and say "oh they must have been misreporting numbers". But in the midst of it that's something else entirely
Click to expand...

That is impossible. The floodgates were opened during new year and Chinese New Year. Weird timing eh. All those vacationers headed out globally from Wuhan and others. 2 week asymptomatic incubation while spreading.
For the record, I’ve been calling BS on it from day one.
 
thebigt said:
isn't it standard operating procedure for WHO to have their people on the ground overseeing?
Click to expand...
This was answered by a research chair of global health, Kelley Lee:

So, WHO doesn’t have any resources to be the action on the ground. It’s always been very much an advisory body, recommending what a country should do. It doesn’t have the UNICEF [United Nations Children’s Fund] mode of operation where it can go in and vaccinate children, for example.
WHO has never done that, that’s not what its role is supposed to be, to get into countries and be boots on the ground. And people probably wanted that to happen. “Oh, why isn’t WHO sending in people into Wuhan?” That was never its role. Its role was to do intelligence-gathering, and then alert countries, and countries are the ones that act. So there’s that.


But essentially, if you look at the WHO’s constitution, it is a member-state organization. It doesn’t have independent authority to do what it likes. The World Health Assembly meets every year. And that is sort of the legislative body of WHO, and the secretariat carries out what is decided upon. It doesn’t mean it doesn’t have any powers, the secretariat and the director-general, but it really has to go through all the member states.

To say, ‘WHO should do this, WHO should do that.’ Well, WHO is the member states,” Lee said. “So if you want WHO to do something, then the member states have to get together and say: ‘Do this.’”
 
Jiigzz said:
This was answered by a research chair of global health, Kelley Lee:

So, WHO doesn’t have any resources to be the action on the ground. It’s always been very much an advisory body, recommending what a country should do. It doesn’t have the UNICEF [United Nations Children’s Fund] mode of operation where it can go in and vaccinate children, for example.
WHO has never done that, that’s not what its role is supposed to be, to get into countries and be boots on the ground. And people probably wanted that to happen. “Oh, why isn’t WHO sending in people into Wuhan?” That was never its role. Its role was to do intelligence-gathering, and then alert countries, and countries are the ones that act. So there’s that.


But essentially, if you look at the WHO’s constitution, it is a member-state organization. It doesn’t have independent authority to do what it likes. The World Health Assembly meets every year. And that is sort of the legislative body of WHO, and the secretariat carries out what is decided upon. It doesn’t mean it doesn’t have any powers, the secretariat and the director-general, but it really has to go through all the member states.

To say, ‘WHO should do this, WHO should do that.’ Well, WHO is the member states,” Lee said. “So if you want WHO to do something, then the member states have to get together and say: ‘Do this.’”
Click to expand...
that tells me what WHO doesn't do....still not clear on what it does do?

the united states gives $400-500million each year to WHO...CHINA gives around $40 million.
 
thebigt said:
that tells me what WHO doesn't do....still not clear on what it does do?

the united states gives $400-500million each year to WHO...CHINA gives around $40 million.
Click to expand...
It does lots of other things not related to pandemics. It has its fingers in almost every facet of health globally.

But again, people keep asking why they relied heavily on China for info and why they didn't go for themselves.

As WHO put it: Dr. David Nabarro, a WHO special envoy, told NBC's "Meet the Press" last weekend that "we really do have to work with the information we get."
"We don't have, in the World Health Organization, the power to go and inspect beyond what countries tell us," Nabarro said.

We have to be realistic with our expectations. Is it right to expect an agency to do a job they don't even have, or have the power to do? Imagine if the virus originated in the US and WHO just came in and started stepping on the toes of US officials. Do you think that would go down well?
 
Last edited:
SkRaw85 said:
That is impossible. The floodgates were opened during new year and Chinese New Year. Weird timing eh. All those vacationers headed out globally from Wuhan and others. 2 week asymptomatic incubation while spreading.
For the record, I’ve been calling BS on it from day one.
Click to expand...
WHO dont close borders. If the US wanted to, they could have shut done the borders earlier to people from China. It is ultimately their responsibility.

The incubation periods, mode of infection etc weren't established early on. Noone knew at the beginning how infectious this novel virus could be. Scores of researchers have been evaluating it in labs since they could and monitoring it closely. We've never had a coronavirus this infectious, so I'm not entirely sure how you knew from day 1, given there was no precedent.

SARS and MERS were contained quickly and their rate of infection was nowhere near as high.
 
Last edited:
Florida now has twice as many coronavirus cases (20,601) as South Korea (10,537). About 30 million more people live in South Korea than in Florida, and that’s not even accounting for the unknown number of Covid-19 cases that have gone uncounted in Florida because there’s been substantially less testing.
 
thebigt said:
that tells me what WHO doesn't do....still not clear on what it does do?

the united states gives $400-500million each year to WHO...CHINA gives around $40 million.
Click to expand...
We are (or were) the biggest contributors, which is no surprise. The USA always seems to play the role of protecting and supporting the world on multiple levels, yet it’s under appreciated in most cases and we have just continued to get taken advantage of. We are the enablers of countries around the world, and this role must stop.

The WHO doesn’t seem to get high marks in how they distribute the use of their (our) money either. Wasteful luxury travel expenses being at the forefront. Aside from that, the response (or lack thereof) to COVID-19 isn’t the only public health threat that has been viewed as less than impressive as of late. Their response to swine flu and Ebola were also not highly praised- yet for different reasons.

It seems they are most renowned for their efforts in regard to malaria, polio, smallpox, TB, HIV/AIDS- so we have to give some credit there. Was it done cost effectively? Probably not.

There definitely seems to be a place for a WHO, but it certainly seems to need restructuring and monitoring. I personally get the sense it also needs more insightful members who are in it for the right reasons as opposed to a being awarded a chance to go on a luxury business trip. If Trump does decide to fund the WHO again, it shouldn’t be for any more money than any other nation pays in, unless we are getting something back that other countries are not.

Invalid Link Removed
 
How many military bases do we have around the world protecting our assets?
Our military industrial complex doesn't exactly account for its expenditures... Look at The Pentagon's misgivings to start.

I'm not on top of the WHO, and sure they can fix their issues, but this pandemic isn't their fault, and it's effects here.
You want to talk about spending problems and travel? Have a look at our very one Secretary of the Treasury.

Then we have 110 million on golf? Trump. Etc. All the Emoluments issues.

It's difficult to look at one side of the argument: "Let's worry about ourselves and not the world", then have an argument made about a world organization responsible for other things than pandemics. What we pay in can be looked at for sure.
 
Last edited:
Ricky10 said:
We are (or were) the biggest contributors, which is no surprise. The USA always seems to play the role of protecting and supporting the world on multiple levels, yet it’s under appreciated in most cases and we have just continued to get taken advantage of. We are the enablers of countries around the world, and this role must stop.

The WHO doesn’t seem to get high marks in how they distribute the use of their (our) money either. Wasteful luxury travel expenses being at the forefront. Aside from that, the response (or lack thereof) to COVID-19 isn’t the only public health threat that has been viewed as less than impressive as of late. Their response to swine flu and Ebola were also not highly praised- yet for different reasons.

It seems they are most renowned for their efforts in regard to malaria, polio, smallpox, TB, HIV/AIDS- so we have to give some credit there. Was it done cost effectively? Probably not.

There definitely seems to be a place for a WHO, but it certainly seems to need restructuring and monitoring. I personally get the sense it also needs more insightful members who are in it for the right reasons as opposed to a being awarded a chance to go on a luxury business trip. If Trump does decide to fund the WHO again, it shouldn’t be for any more money than any other nation pays in, unless we are getting something back that other countries are not.

Invalid Link Removed
Click to expand...

But again the question must be asked: what exactly did you expect WHO to do, and, more importantly, is what you expected them to do something they actually do?

The WHO are not infallible, but it seems people are quick to criticize them when they dont even seem to understand the role they play. That's like criticizing the coach for not scoring a goal during a game of soccer
 
Last edited:
Jiigzz said:
The US gave most of its money in the form of donations, not its membership fees (still substantial) unless I'm mistaken, a donation is something given with no expectation of returned benefit.

You're always going to pay for in membership fees due to your population size and wealth.

Also during the cold war, Russia and its allies left the WHO due to the US's influence, now you're blaming China for doing the same. It seems like its OK when it's in the US's favour, but not OK if the same thing happens in reverse lol
Click to expand...
To be fair, just because it was primarily “donations with no expectation of returned benefit,” doesn’t mean it was wise decision, or should be continued. It’s one thing to pay a higher membership based on population size, but it sounds like even you’re conceding that the US paid more than their “fair share,” even if it was from “donations” and not the membership fees, which makes the point of population size impacting membership fees not terribly relevant, since that’s not what we were paying “too much” for.
 
muscleupcrohn said:
To be fair, just because it was primarily “donations with no expectation of returned benefit,” doesn’t mean it was wise decision, or should be continued. It’s one thing to pay a higher membership based on population size, but it sounds like even you’re conceding that the US paid more than their “fair share,” even if it was from “donations” and not the membership fees, which makes the point of population size impacting membership fees not terribly relevant, since that’s not what we were paying “too much” for.
Click to expand...
If the US chooses to pay more through donations, they guide generally guide where those funds are directed. They are earmarked funds for certain programmes that the contributing countries want the WHO to focus on.

So you pay more depending on what you want in guess. Seems more like a "donation" than an actual donation.

From an outside perspective, the US has royally stuffed up their own response. But hey, if it makes you guys feel better blaming someone else, go ahead lol
 
Jiigzz said:
If the US chooses to pay more through donations, they guide generally guide where those funds are directed. They are earmarked funds for certain programmes that the contributing countries want the WHO to focus on.

So you pay more depending on what you want in guess. Seems more like a "donation" than an actual donation.

From an outside perspective, the US has royally stuffed up their own response. But hey, if it makes you guys feel better blaming someone else, go ahead lol
Click to expand...
I’m not “blaming” anyone... I haven’t even said who, if anyone, I think is handling this virus well or terribly...

I never said the US hasn’t made mistakes in handling the virus. The US may well have made plenty of mistakes and still not think that giving a ton of money to the WHO is a good idea. They could have messed up too, and in different ways than the US, etc.
 
muscleupcrohn said:
I’m not “blaming” anyone... I haven’t even said who, if anyone, I think is handling this virus well or terribly...

I never said the US hasn’t made mistakes in handling the virus. The US may well have made plenty of mistakes and still not think that giving a ton of money to the WHO is a good idea. They could have messed up too, and in different ways than the US, etc.
Click to expand...
Fair points, i respect that. In all fairness, I believe the people who deal directly with the WHO in the US (the medical sector) would be the best guides as to if the WHO is worth its weight.

The US can do whatever it feels is in its best interest.
 
Last edited:
Jiigzz said:
Fair points, i respect that. In all fairness, I believe the people who deal directly with the WHO in the US (the medical sector) would be the best guides as to if the WHO is worth its weight.

The US can do whatever it feels is in its best interest.
Click to expand...
unfortunately politicians [on both sides] don't always seem to act in best interests of the US!
 
Jiigzz said:
Fair points, i respect that. In all fairness, I believe the people who deal directly with the WHO in the US (the medical sector) would be the best guides as to if the WHO is worth its weight.

The US can do whatever it feels is in its best interest.
Click to expand...
I know you are not a fan of trump...but I don't think you blame the entire US for things trump does that you may not agree with.

I think the same can be said about WHO, a lot of the criticism is aimed at leadership and not the organization as a whole-at least that is my point of view.
 
british scientists are working with charity group to see if dogs can be trained to sniff out coronavirus...


this isn't as crazy as it might sound, dogs have been trained to detect numerous diseases.
 
thebigt said:
I know you are not a fan of trump...but I don't think you blame the entire US for things trump does that you may not agree with.

I think the same can be said about WHO, a lot of the criticism is aimed at leadership and not the organization as a whole-at least that is my point of view.
Click to expand...
Good point BigT.

I think everyone will need to look back and see how they can do better in case something like this should ever happen again.
 
Jiigzz said:
Good point BigT.

I think everyone will need to look back and see how they can do better in case something like this should ever happen again.
Click to expand...
yes, I think this caught us by surprise. it's always easy to say what you would do better, when you are not the one responsible for decision making.
 
thebigt said:
british scientists are working with charity group to see if dogs can be trained to sniff out coronavirus...


this isn't as crazy as it might sound, dogs have been trained to detect numerous diseases.
Click to expand...
I read some story about a lady who could supposedly smell if people had a disease from smelling their clothing. She identified all the positives they gave her, and one more that they said was negative, but later turned out to also have the disease. I’ll have to verify that it’s true, but I read about it a while ago and you reminded me of it.

Edit: it was Parkinson’s:

Invalid Link Removed


Invalid Link Removed
 
muscleupcrohn said:
I read some story about a lady who could supposedly smell if people had a disease from smelling their clothing. She identified all the positives they gave her, and one more that they said was negative, but later turned out to also have the disease. I’ll have to verify that it’s true, but I read about it a while ago and you reminded me of it.

Edit: it was Parkinson’s:

Invalid Link Removed


Invalid Link Removed
Click to expand...
amazing, huh?
 
Jeez.

GYMS | SALONS | THEATERS
Invalid Link Removed

"Theaters, private social clubs and restaurants will be allowed to reopen April 27 and will be required to follow the same rules. Bars and nightclubs will remain closed. The state's shelter-in-place order expires April 30, though older individuals and people with underlying health conditions that put them at risk for serious COVID-19 illness are encouraged to stay home until May 13."

This doesn't cover enough people.
They are going to run out of coffins.
 
Jiigzz said:
Good point BigT.

I think everyone will need to look back and see how they can do better in case something like this should ever happen again.
Click to expand...
Well the initial response to this was a mess, but the Chinese are certainly complicit in those stages. Every stage of containment attempts after that was always 2 steps behind where things should have been. Hindsight is always 20/20, but I knew this was going to be a global problem during the first week we heard about what was happening in Wuhan. Call it a gut feeling, but I think most people were like WTF....this isn’t normal. On top of that, it was a given that we couldn’t trust the Chinese with any aspect of this. Apparently experts see things through a different lense.

This could have remained an epidemic rather than a pandemic if ALL countries had simply heired on the side of caution and closed their borders to China very early. It doesn’t do any good for some countries to close their borders while others stay open in these situations. It would be quite difficult for this to be handled much worse when we face the next threat of a pandemic.
justhere4comm said:
Jeez.

GYMS | SALONS | THEATERS
Invalid Link Removed

"Theaters, private social clubs and restaurants will be allowed to reopen April 27 and will be required to follow the same rules. Bars and nightclubs will remain closed. The state's shelter-in-place order expires April 30, though older individuals and people with underlying health conditions that put them at risk for serious COVID-19 illness are encouraged to stay home until May 13."

This doesn't cover enough people.
They are going to run out of coffins.
Click to expand...
So between March 2nd (first reported cases in Georgia) to today April 20th, Georgia has reported 726 COVID-19 deaths. Well, I hope they are prepared for a notable surge in hospitalizations and subsequent rise in their death toll.

Meanwhile, the chief of WHO :) announced today that the worst of the pandemic is yet to come.
 
Ricky10 said:
Well the initial response to this was a mess, but the Chinese are certainly complicit in those stages. Every stage of containment attempts after that was always 2 steps behind where things should have been. Hindsight is always 20/20, but I knew this was going to be a global problem during the first week we heard about what was happening in Wuhan. Call it a gut feeling, but I think most people were like WTF....this isn’t normal. On top of that, it was a given that we couldn’t trust the Chinese with any aspect of this. Apparently experts see things through a different lense.

This could have remained an epidemic rather than a pandemic if ALL countries had simply heired on the side of caution and closed their borders to China very early. It doesn’t do any good for some countries to close their borders while others stay open in these situations. It would be quite difficult for this to be handled much worse when we face the next threat of a pandemic.

So between March 2nd (first reported cases in Georgia) to today April 20th, Georgia has reported 726 COVID-19 deaths. Well, I hope they are prepared for a notable surge in hospitalizations and subsequent rise in their death toll.

Meanwhile, the chief of WHO :) announced today that the worst of the pandemic is yet to come.
Click to expand...
China certainly lied, but as already stated, the WHO have to rely on countries reporting accurately as they have no capability or power to just intervene and investigate. Hold China to account for sure. As a side tidbit, during the 1918 Spanish Flu pandemic a host of nations (Europe and the US included) lied about how bad it was. Only Spain was reporting freely, hence it got its name because people thought it savaged Spain disproportionately, but it was just because everyone else was lying about how bad it was to keep up morale.

Anyone that heard about it through the media could speculate what it could or could not amount to, as they can about anything, but when you're making assessments that have genuine and measurable impacts, you want to be sure that taking those measures is necessary.

Had China been honest about the rate of infection and then if the WHO still did not recommend screening processes or whatever else, then I'd be criticizing them as well. But as it stands, it's more the former than the latter.

On that note though, the US media has really messed this up as well. So much misinformation about how dangerous it actually is (comparing it to the flu etc) is creating all kinds of issues. In all disaster movies, the bad s#!+ happens to those who fail to listen to the experts, and so far that's what we're about to witness.
 
Last edited:
Jiigzz said:
WHO dont close borders. If the US wanted to, they could have shut done the borders earlier to people from China. It is ultimately their responsibility.

The incubation periods, mode of infection etc weren't established early on. Noone knew at the beginning how infectious this novel virus could be. Scores of researchers have been evaluating it in labs since they could and monitoring it closely. We've never had a coronavirus this infectious, so I'm not entirely sure how you knew from day 1, given there was no precedent.

SARS and MERS were contained quickly and their rate of infection was nowhere near as high.
Click to expand...

I agree 100%! Borders should have been shut down waaaaaay earlier lol, as in yes we should have borders. Guess there’s a few sticks in the mud impeding progress hmmmm.
A legitimate question: since when has China ever gave 2 shites about the health of the world? I’ll wait. Number 1 global polluter, regime that kills and enslaved its own people, communist propaganda machine, blah blah blah.
I shall elaborate on day 1. If there is a person or entity which I do not trust I question the words they speak. True I instantly had a suspicion, guess I am biased but I’ll believe my gut. Regardless of any bias, suspicions turned into “convenient coincidences”, now it’s an ugly tumor spewing bile.
Let’s see in 2 weeks or less what the sentiment becomes.
 
SkRaw85 said:
I agree 100%! Borders should have been shut down waaaaaay earlier lol, as in yes we should have borders. Guess there’s a few sticks in the mud impeding progress hmmmm.
A legitimate question: since when has China ever gave 2 shites about the health of the world? I’ll wait. Number 1 global polluter, regime that kills and enslaved its own people, communist propaganda machine, blah blah blah.
I shall elaborate on day 1. If there is a person or entity which I do not trust I question the words they speak. True I instantly had a suspicion, guess I am biased but I’ll believe my gut. Regardless of any bias, suspicions turned into “convenient coincidences”, now it’s an ugly tumor spewing bile.
Let’s see in 2 weeks or less what the sentiment becomes.
Click to expand...

You'll get no debate from me about China lying lol I agree with that. Where I disagree somewhat is with the complicity of WHO. Maybe they are too aligned with China, but let's also remember there was a time that other nations accused the WHO of being too closely aligned to the US.

It is one thing for us backseaters to hypothesize about what it could have been, way back at the beginning and to have gut instincts about its potential, but it's another thing entirely when you're the one with whom the responsibility lies for getting it right. I remember back in mid Jan also thinking this could be bad, but at that time I knew pretty much nothing about it. I've been following it very closely since.

Had the virus only infected 41 people as China said it had and the WHO still made the decision to inform countries to close its borders, this thread would be about the WHO's conspiracy to shut down the global economy over a mere 41 cases. Heck, people in the US are actively protesting the stay at home orders with it as bad as it is, so imagine how bad it would have been if it amounted to nothing.

IMO people need to learn from this. The people protesting need to realise how devastating a virus can be. The people in Govt who were saying it isnt that bad need to learn from this. Social media and its misinformation has made us the architects of our own failings, and it is becoming clearer each day.
 
Last edited:
"While Covid-19 deaths across the state have begun to level off, the “number of lives lost is still breathtakingly tragic,” Cuomo said. The state’s mortality rates remains persistently high, at 7.4% with at least 19,453 fatalities and 263,754 confirmed cases, according to data compiled by Johns Hopkins University. The antibody testing indicates that the actual death rate is far lower, less than 1%, Cuomo said."


Yay science.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top