What's the new best cutting hormonal product

Sss23

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Hey all,

A few questions:

Back in the day would run hdrol for a nice cut/recomp. Obviously that is no longer available. What is the best supp for cutting fat and maintaining muscle today? I've seen Epiandro thrown around alot? Is it legal?
Tried some MSTEN & DMZ but get too bloated/water weight and not looking to put on a bunch of weight

Thanks for any input
 
I would checkout XI-KT by Iron Legion, and consider stacking with Alpha Stano by Alpha Gainz (epiandrosterone complexed with cyclodextrins to improve delivery).

epiandro is still legal
 
delsolrob said:
I would checkout XI-KT by Iron Legion, and consider stacking with Alpha Stano by Alpha Gainz (epiandrosterone complexed with cyclodextrins to improve delivery).

epiandro is still legal
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when alpha seven becomes available I would definitely throw it into the mix.
 
Xi-kt is great. Really helps cut down on midsection fat. Stacked with a well doses Epiandro product like androvar or super-epi would compliment it very well. Lean, dry, hard, vascular are all terms that come to mind with that stack.
 
Sss23 said:
Hey all,

A few questions:

Back in the day would run hdrol for a nice cut/recomp. Obviously that is no longer available. What is the best supp for cutting fat and maintaining muscle today? I've seen Epiandro thrown around alot? Is it legal?
Tried some MSTEN & DMZ but get too bloated/water weight and not looking to put on a bunch of weight

Thanks for any input
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get the cut and dry stack yo its on sale but I think there is only a few unit left so you better hurry
APEX ALCHEMY!!
 
delsolrob said:
I would checkout XI-KT by Iron Legion, and consider stacking with Alpha Stano by Alpha Gainz (epiandrosterone complexed with cyclodextrins to improve delivery).

epiandro is still legal
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this is good recommendation here too!!

but still cut and dry stack is 11kt paired with 6oxo!!! throw in some epi andro and holee chit!
 
is this stuff legit? not that familiar with the legal DHEA options so Idk if it is just supp companies pushing BS. Is it anywhere close to the good stuff back in the day? Looks like epiandro, androsterone and 1 andro are pretty good, any transdermal options for those?
 
The Express 42 said:
CEL Stano Plex plus Iron Legion XI KT. Doesn’t get much better than that
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Agreed with this stack. I've heard a lot of positives on both products so stacking them would yield great results!
 
Afi140 said:
Xi-kt is great. Really helps cut down on midsection fat. Stacked with a well doses Epiandro product like androvar or super-epi would compliment it very well. Lean, dry, hard, vascular are all terms that come to mind with that stack.
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This is what I used on my last cut. Also at 25% off using code chef on the iron legion site, it’s a no brainer. I personally can’t use epi andro anymore but would also be a great addition.
 
Sss23 said:
is this stuff legit? not that familiar with the legal DHEA options so Idk if it is just supp companies pushing BS. Is it anywhere close to the good stuff back in the day? Looks like epiandro, androsterone and 1 andro are pretty good, any transdermal options for those?
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Apex has everything you might want in a TD. as far those you mention, they are the cream of the DHEA crop. The epi is great as a cutting agent. really hardens you up and makes you feel strong as hell~
 
Sss23 said:
Hey all,

A few questions:

Back in the day would run hdrol for a nice cut/recomp. Obviously that is no longer available. What is the best supp for cutting fat and maintaining muscle today? I've seen Epiandro thrown around alot? Is it legal?
Tried some MSTEN & DMZ but get too bloated/water weight and not looking to put on a bunch of weight

Thanks for any input
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Epiandro will be the easiest as its still 100% legal (CEL Stano-Plex treated me VERY well last winter).

For grey market stuff (not explicitly illegal, but not sold in most stores) would be maybe DMZ or msten... neither is great at just fat loss tho so its more a result of diet while on these.

You could always go for something international (UK) to get hdrol or something you know will do you right
 
Any thoughts on R andro shred by hardrock or super mandro? Heard those are good for leaning out as well but knew to the dhea based game. Don't know much about how Xi-kt works
 
delsolrob said:
I would checkout XI-KT by Iron Legion, and consider stacking with Alpha Stano by Alpha Gainz (epiandrosterone complexed with cyclodextrins to improve delivery).

epiandro is still legal
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this....XI-KT is transdermal, along with alpha gainz ALPHA STANO with the cyclodextrin delivery is a great combo.

this works out good for those new to transdermals, probably a good idea to just use 1 transdermal at a time and add a oral...after you gain some experience with transdermals it's not out of the ordinary to stack 2-3 transdermals at a time.
 
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thebigt said:
this....XI-KT is transdermal, along with alpha gainz ALPHA STANO with the cyclodextrin delivery is a great combo.

this works out good for those new to transdermals, probably a good idea to just use 1 transdermal at a time and add a oral...after you gain some experience with transdermals it's not out of the ordinary to stack 2-3 transdermals at a time.
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Sorry for the noob questions: what is the benefit of transdermals over orals - they bypass the digestive system and liver?
 
Vader_1 said:
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Sorry for the noob questions: what is the benefit of transdermals over orals - they bypass the digestive system and liver?
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Using the salvo as a carrier, these transdermals are able to bypass digestion which gives you better absorption. Plus,
Depending on the product, less possible damage to the liver.



Use code chef on iron legions site for 25% off.
 
Vader_1 said:
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Sorry for the noob questions: what is the benefit of transdermals over orals - they bypass the digestive system and liver?
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There are quite a few benefits:
Increased bioavailability - yes, non methylated compounds don't fair well in the digestive track...and, what survives is then further deteriorated in the first pass through he liver.

Buffered delivery - our transdermal delivery system buffers delivery over 6-8 hours. most of the existing ph's have short half lifes, meaning you have to take pilled throughout the day to keep levels even.

Conversion in the skin - your dermis is your largest organ, and it's rich in the enzymes we want to convert these ph's into the target hormones you want.

more active - when you see most of the pill based ph products on the shelf, they're using a myriad of long chain esters to mimic some of the above "features" - but, if you're buying a product that says each dose is 100mg - up to 30-40% of that 100mg could be the weight of these long chain fatty acids.

here's a great article on our blog
https://iconicformulations.com/blogs/news/transdermal-steroids-expanded
 
delsolrob said:
There are quite a few benefits:
Increased bioavailability - yes, non methylated compounds don't fair well in the digestive track...and, what survives is then further deteriorated in the first pass through he liver.

Buffered delivery - our transdermal delivery system buffers delivery over 6-8 hours. most of the existing ph's have short half lifes, meaning you have to take pilled throughout the day to keep levels even.

Conversion in the skin - your dermis is your largest organ, and it's rich in the enzymes we want to convert these ph's into the target hormones you want.

more active - when you see most of the pill based ph products on the shelf, they're using a myriad of long chain esters to mimic some of the above "features" - but, if you're buying a product that says each dose is 100mg - up to 30-40% of that 100mg could be the weight of these long chain fatty acids.

here's a great article on our blog
https://iconicformulations.com/blogs/news/transdermal-steroids-expanded
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been a big fan of transdermals going back to the days of dermabolics e-form and 1fast400....those were good days!!!
 
Dude, I remember running s1+ and then like about a month after that, methoxy tst and methoxy trn.. I blew up. My liver probably did too!! Lol
 
enhanced said:
Dude, I remember running s1+ and then like about a month after that, methoxy tst and methoxy trn.. I blew up. My liver probably did too!! Lol
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with everything being legal a lot of guys were running crazy cycles, myself included!!!
 
Alpha Seven official release hit today - along with Alpha Four, Ultra Hard, and Ultra Epi
 
thebigt said:
with everything being legal a lot of guys were running crazy cycles, myself included!!!
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I’m sure everything was spiked with something back then.
 
Question about TD delivery...is there a limit to how much body fat percentage it can penetrate? Say if someone is 30% bodyfat and above, will the TD delivery not work?
 
Cheeky Monkey said:
Question about TD delivery...is there a limit to how much body fat percentage it can penetrate? Say if someone is 30% bodyfat and above, will the TD delivery not work?
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no, but if you're 30% you really shouldn't bother with anything hormonal as it will only have compounded sides due to your already out of whack hormones at that high of BF%
 
booneman77 said:
it didn't have to be spiked, nothing was illegal haha. they were all legit
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I mean I used stuff that wasn’t supposed to be hormonal and I’m sure it was tossed in.
 
cheftepesh1 said:
I mean I used stuff that wasn’t supposed to be hormonal and I’m sure it was tossed in.
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Wasn't the original Pink Magic laced with a little something extra??
I remember being one of their product testers for that & it had me gaining mass, leaning out, and I had veins on top of veins!!
 
Cheeky Monkey said:
Question about TD delivery...is there a limit to how much body fat percentage it can penetrate? Say if someone is 30% bodyfat and above, will the TD delivery not work?
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depends on where you apply...if you apply to fatty areas like gut then not so much, if you apply to neck/shoulders/behind knees and tops of feet good to go-actually these are the spots it is recommended that everyone apply to so the delivery will work regardless of bf%--but effectiveness won't be as noticeable at higher bf%....this applies to hormonals, i've heard guys at high bf% report very good results with products like invictus.
 
Epiandro did me wonders in the past. Hard, dry, vascular. Never ran Winny but I feel like it’s the PG version (anyone care to offer their incite on that? Lol). As mentioned I feel like epi+11kt would be killer.
 
Vitruvian Man said:
Epiandro did me wonders in the past. Hard, dry, vascular. Never ran Winny but I feel like it’s the PG version (anyone care to offer their incite on that? Lol). As mentioned I feel like epi+11kt would be killer.
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check out ultra hard by iconicformulations, epiandro/androsterone, these 2 pair great together.
 
Vitruvian Man said:
How does androsterone fair? Is that the alpha version of epiandro right? Is that the same thing that’s sold as R-Andro? Or is it more of a pheromone
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yes and yes..and possibly. androsterone and epiandro are classed as pheromones, but do much more, imo. do some research it's better if you do it than relying on what i tell you.
 
Sss23 said:
What dose do you guys run for Epiandro and androsterone?
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get some ultra hard by iconicformulations.com...use at recommended dose and you will be covered...use code BS35 to save 35% off.
 
Apex-Alchemy's Kronos is an excellent TD 11-KT product:

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Nprice151 said:
Would yall recommend 7 Keto or 11 keto to stake with ultra hard?
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11 keto is going to work better then 7. As BigT stated Iconic has just restocked so it’s a good time to pick some up.
 
cheftepesh1 said:
11 keto is going to work better then 7. As BigT stated Iconic has just restocked so it’s a good time to pick some up.
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yea, i will add that the 11 raws are no longer available so you should deff buy some of this if your wanting some.. its going to completely dry up before long.
 
xR1pp3Rx said:
yea, i will add that the 11 raws are no longer available so you should deff buy some of this if your wanting some.. its going to completely dry up before long.
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such a bummer
 
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