What's the best fat burning supplement available today??

muscleupcrohn said:
What? You clearly don’t know what otherwise healthy means. You can’t just agree to disagree about definitions. “I think 2 + 2 = 7. You don’t? We’ll just agree to disagree.” It doesn’t make sense man. Also, any response to the actual content of the studies? The studies that showed its well tolerated and safe?
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I don't think it's safe in obese people
 
Bintherduntht said:
I'm entitled to my (ignorant) opinion...
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Yes, but that doesn’t mean it’s even remotely respectable.

Edit: at least explain why you believe it. You talked about heart attacks and cardiovascular episodes, and the research disproved that. So either you don’t believe the research, or you have another reason.
 
Rockslide said:
Ephedrine HCL and Yohimbine HCL are both pharmaceuticals drugs, not herbal dietary supplements. Both have associated risks. Many would argue that Y is more harmful than E. One obviously got more bad press from atheletes taking and doing max capacity workouts in 100 degree weather than the other and thus got an fda ban. Ephedrine is commonly used by anasthesiologists for blood pressure and heart rate support of unstable vitals in surgery. I believe Yohimbine HCL is used in other countries for similar purposes and I believe some countries have banned it in dietary supps

They both have a wide array of literature available on them as they are both pharmaceuticals if you are anyone is curious about researching the safety of them.

Yohimbine causes my pupils to dialate, goosebumps, cold sweats, anxiety, shakes. Alpha Y is somewhat better tolerated by me if I have developed a tolerance to caffiene and keep the dose ultra low.
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Yeah I've never tolerated Yoh at all. The few times I have tried it causes me to throw up or have anxiety to the point of wanting to drive off of a bridge.
 
Bintherduntht said:
I'm entitled to my opinion...
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You are entitled to your own opinion...but not your own facts and most people at least try to base their opinions on reality.

Basically you are saying it is your opinion that ephedrine is not safe and you have no reason to have that opinion, but you are going to stick to it because it is what you believe and you are not willing to change your beliefs, even in light of evidence that those beliefs may be flawed...which is impressive when you go back to the fact that you did not even need a reason to adopt such a belief in the first place apparently.

I think it would be wise to monitor blood pressure while using ephedrine; I will give you that. But that is actually true of anyone who is obese and ephedrine has been used in obesity quite often and has proven safe time and again.
 
booneman77 said:
this is completely untrue depending on his starting point... hell, im relatively lean now but could cut out all carbs (and I'm already pretty low) plus tweak things a bit more and drop 10lb this week... if he's seriously fat, dropping 5+lb a week is not at all unrealistic... look at the biggest loser folks... the fatter you are, the more weight you can drop in a given time period (to an extent).
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Have you read what the Biggest loser contestants do on a daily basis? It's far from realistic training for 85% of the human population. Starving to death and exercising multiple hours a day on end.

I wouldn't say this was realistic for someone or nearly most.

But nevertheless in the quote it stated if he is currently inactive and eating poorly. If he's already training like a maniac then his problem would've been solved.
 
HIT4ME said:
You are entitled to your own opinion...but not your own facts and most people at least try to base their opinions on reality.

Basically you are saying it is your opinion that ephedrine is not safe and you have no reason to have that opinion, but you are going to stick to it because it is what you believe and you are not willing to change your beliefs, even in light of evidence that those beliefs may be flawed...which is impressive when you go back to the fact that you did not even need a reason to adopt such a belief in the first place apparently.

I think it would be wise to monitor blood pressure while using ephedrine; I will give you that. But that is actually true of anyone who is obese and ephedrine has been used in obesity quite often and has proven safe time and again.
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The OP wants to lose 30lbs in two months. I would not recommend ephedrine.

My opinion is just that... My opinion. It doesn't mean it's false. I never said it was a fact
 
Bintherduntht said:
The OP wants to lose 30lbs in two months. I would not recommend ephedrine.

My opinion is just that... My opinion. It doesn't mean it's false.

And we are going off topic
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Your opinion on the safety of ephedrine isn’t false because it’s your opinion, it’s false because it’s contradicted by a substantial amount of research and you have a dearth of support for it. If OP is determined to use a fat burner, EC is perhaps the most tried and true option out of them all, with more safety data than most as well. We agree that no supplement or drug will replace poor training and diet, but you are wrong to say that overweight people shouldn’t use ephedrine because it’s not safe. It’s your opinion, but it’s wrong. You’re entitled to have wrong opinions though.
 
HIT4ME said:
You are entitled to your own opinion...but not your own facts and most people at least try to base their opinions on reality.

Basically you are saying it is your opinion that ephedrine is not safe and you have no reason to have that opinion, but you are going to stick to it because it is what you believe and you are not willing to change your beliefs, even in light of evidence that those beliefs may be flawed...which is impressive when you go back to the fact that you did not even need a reason to adopt such a belief in the first place apparently.

I think it would be wise to monitor blood pressure while using ephedrine; I will give you that. But that is actually true of anyone who is obese and ephedrine has been used in obesity quite often and has proven safe time and again.
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I think I may be the stupidest one for even continuing this “debate” with him.
 
Bintherduntht said:
The OP wants to lose 30lbs in two months. I would not recommend ephedrine.

My opinion is just that... My opinion. It doesn't mean it's false.

And we are going off topic
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Ok. So if I kind of read between the lines I am guessing your real aversion to the idea is based more in line with what a lot on here already said (I think muscleupcrohn said it first) - that losing 30 pounds is not entirely realistic in a 2 month timeframe?

The issue is just that you are communicating that ephedrine is not healthy for obese people - which isn't an opinion. It's an incorrect factual statement.

I think we agree that exercise and nutrition is way more important. And we might agree that supplements will have little or no impact for the most part. But if there is anything that science says will help reliably, and be reasonably safe - its ephedrine/caffeine.
 
Bintherduntht said:
Correct. It is your opinion
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But it is unequivocally false, so it’s an incorrect opinion. If I chose to continue to believe it after someone shows me evidence that it is wrong, then I’m a fool. You may call sticking to your beliefs strength, but sticking to incorrect beliefs once they’re shown to be incorrect is the strength of a madman, and is not enviable or admirable.
 
Bintherduntht said:
Ok I admit it. I can be stubborn. But the evidence is there to prove your point yes
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Great. So if you admit the evidence is there, you should change your view to say that maybe ephedrine isn’t so bad for overweight people.

You CAN still say you don’t think someone should use it until they fix their diet and training though, and I’d agree with that, as these things are vastly more important than any supplement or drug. It’s just a different topic than safety.
 
muscleupcrohn said:
But it is unequivocally false, so it’s an incorrect opinion. If I chose to continue to believe it after someone shows me evidence that it is wrong, then I’m a fool. You may call sticking to your beliefs strength, but sticking to incorrect beliefs once they’re shown to be incorrect is the strength of a madman, and is not enviable or admirable.
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Sorry to drag this out
 
please please please don't recommend ec to fat people...much better to let doctor prescribe phenfen...oh wait, that killed people for sure and was recalled. humor, people, humor :-)
 
HIT4ME said:
Ok. So if I kind of read between the lines I am guessing your real aversion to the idea is based more in line with what a lot on here already said (I think muscleupcrohn said it first) - that losing 30 pounds is not entirely realistic in a 2 month timeframe?

The issue is just that you are communicating that ephedrine is not healthy for obese people - which isn't an opinion. It's an incorrect factual statement.

I think we agree that exercise and nutrition is way more important. And we might agree that supplements will have little or no impact for the most part. But if there is anything that science says will help reliably, and be reasonably safe - its ephedrine/caffeine.
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Yes I understand that now
 
Bintherduntht said:
Ok I admit it. I can be stubborn. But the evidence is there to prove your point yes
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This is hard for us all. The fact is, being stubborn is often seen as a negative attribute but it also can be extremely beneficial and positive. Standing on your own has merit and pays off sometime. But being able to accept new evidence and seeking truth is tough and it is a real balancing act to know when to change and when to double down..

I like when people have ideas that are different - nothing is ever set in stone. The best we can do in life is to assign a probability of an outcome. I think what gets me the most on this board lately is that a lot of people, and you are far from the worst, believe in something and have no reason for it - or worse, they just want to say someone else is wrong and they won't educate as to why or provide any new thoughts, evidence or data on their own. It becomes about being right or wrong and not about learning or growing.

And it is hard...something I have to work on myself.
 
HIT4ME said:
This is hard for us all. The fact is, being stubborn is often seen as a negative attribute but it also can be extremely beneficial and positive. Standing on your own has merit and pays off sometime. But being able to accept new evidence and seeking truth is tough and it is a real balancing act to know when to change and when to double down..

I like when people have ideas that are different - nothing is ever set in stone. The best we can do in life is to assign a probability of an outcome. I think what gets me the most on this board lately is that a lot of people, and you are far from the worst, believe in something and have no reason for it - or worse, they just want to say someone else is wrong and they won't educate as to why or provide any new thoughts, evidence or data on their own. It becomes about being right or wrong and not about learning or growing.

And it is hard...something I have to work on myself.
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Yes I love learning! I will be more open minded.

This forum is helping me a lot
 
HIT4ME said:
This is hard for us all. The fact is, being stubborn is often seen as a negative attribute but it also can be extremely beneficial and positive. Standing on your own has merit and pays off sometime. But being able to accept new evidence and seeking truth is tough and it is a real balancing act to know when to change and when to double down..

I like when people have ideas that are different - nothing is ever set in stone. The best we can do in life is to assign a probability of an outcome. I think what gets me the most on this board lately is that a lot of people, and you are far from the worst, believe in something and have no reason for it - or worse, they just want to say someone else is wrong and they won't educate as to why or provide any new thoughts, evidence or data on their own. It becomes about being right or wrong and not about learning or growing.

And it is hard...something I have to work on myself.
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Very wise words. And I'm not sucking up.
They're just wise words
 
Bintherduntht said:
Yes I love learning! I will be more open minded.

This forum is helping me a lot
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But not too open minded haha.

No worries man, it isn't you alone. You've had good posts on here too.. I've seen positive work and help from you.
 
Nothing on the market today will aid fat loss to the degree of the products that were taken away from us in the early 2000’s that contained Ma Huang alkaloids. Nothing is as good as OG USPLabs OxyElite Pro either.

Having said that, I recently tried Radiate caps and I think they are awesome! Excellent feel good supplement that can really get you sweating without being too over the top. No jitters! I have been inconsistent with cardio and diet lately, so I can’t comment on its impact on fat loss. I currently use them purely for the feel good stimulant attributes.

Awesome customer service too and I will be buying more!
 
Yeah, just being here and trying to help people is a good thing. It's more than most people would do. I really like how Epictetus put it:
'A man must abide by his decisions.'

What are you doing, man? Not all decisions, but right decisions. For instance, if you were convinced at the moment that it was right, abide by that opinion if you think fit, and do not change it, but say, 'one must abide by one's decisions.'

Will you not lay this foundation to begin with—that is, examine your decision and see whether it is sound or unsound, and then afterwards build on it your firmness and unshaken resolve? But if you lay a rotten and crumbling foundation you will not be able to build even a tiny building; the more courses and the stronger that you lay upon it the quicker will it collapse.
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TL;DR: Being strong in your convictions is admirable only if the foundations of your beliefs are solid. If they happen to be shown to be not solid, it is preferable to fix the foundation than it is to try to continue building on the unstable foundation, as you can't build a great building on a bad foundation.
 
Derek Wilson said:
Why do health experts recommend not drinking coffee or other caffeinated drinks while having the sniffles?
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I have not heard this one! Find the source and I will have a read of it. A lot of cold and flu remedies now have caffeine in them. I would think it's fine in moderation
 
john.patterson said:
First off, losing 30 pounds in 2 months is unrealistic. I would first begin by adjusting your goal - either increase the time you allot to lose 30 pounds, or set a more realistic goal for a 2 month period. If you are currently eating poorly and are very inactive, the best weight loss you'll see is appx. 2 pounds per week at the most. So, for 2 months, 8 weeks - you're looking at 16lbs lost at the most.

Second, fat burners are not going to make or break your progress. A supplement can help, but losing weight consistently over a 2 month period will require attention to proper diet and cardio/exercise. These two areas are much more important than supplementation.

What are you current stats? And what does your diet and exercise look like currently?
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190 Pounds! My diet looks green, or at least 50-60% of it is. I am always try to eat a lot of green leafies, but also other kinds of vegetables and some fruit. 30% of my meal is protein--meat, mostly lean or grass-fed, and/or fish. The rest is healthy fat: olive/coconut oil, nuts (not legumes).
 
Derek Wilson said:
Yes, I like green tea. Does Dunkin Donuts' green tea have catechins and antioxidants in it?
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Green tea has other fat burners besides caffeine. When I was 40lbs overweight, I would brew a lot of green tea and put it in a 24oz bottle and drink it on an empty stomach while doing cardio. If you drink it, it's best absorbed on an empty stomach
 
If you want to be technical, you don’t want to overdo it with even with green tea, but it’s probably unlikely you’ll overdo it drinking actual tea unless you’re pretty much replacing your daily water with it, which I do not recommend (just drink some tea, don’t replace your water with it, if that makes sense).

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/29580974/
 
muscleupcrohn said:
If you want to be technical, you don’t want to overdo it with even with green tea, but it’s probably unlikely you’ll overdo it drinking actual tea unless you’re pretty much replacing your daily water with it, which I do not recommend (just drink some tea, don’t replace your water with it, if that makes sense).

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/29580974/
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I said 24oz... Not to replace his water with it lol
 
muscleupcrohn said:
If you want to be technical, you don’t want to overdo it with even with green tea, but it’s probably unlikely you’ll overdo it drinking actual tea unless you’re pretty much replacing your daily water with it, which I do not recommend (just drink some tea, don’t replace your water with it, if that makes sense).

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/29580974/
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Probably better with ephedrine right lmao

Edit: Tried to delete this post
 
muscleupcrohn said:
If you want to be technical, you don’t want to overdo it with even with green tea, but it’s probably unlikely you’ll overdo it drinking actual tea unless you’re pretty much replacing your daily water with it, which I do not recommend (just drink some tea, don’t replace your water with it, if that makes sense).

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/29580974/
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I recommended it because I researched it for awhile and its fat burning effects. Better than coffee! I just thought it was one of the safest routes, and it worked for me.
 
Bintherduntht said:
I said 24oz... Not to replace his water with it lol
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Bintherduntht said:
I recommended it because I researched it for awhile and its fat burning effects. Better than coffee! I just thought it was one of the safest routes, and it worked for me.
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I am aware. I was pointing out that anyone can pull out largely irrelevant research in an attempt to portray just about anything as unsafe, regardless of how benign and safe it usually is when used responsibly. I suppose it wasn't really necessary though.
 
muscleupcrohn said:
I am aware. I was pointing out that anyone can pull out largely irrelevant research in an attempt to portray just about anything as unsafe, regardless of how benign and safe it usually is when used responsibly. I suppose it wasn't really necessary though.
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or the opposite...just sayin
 
thebigt said:
or the opposite...just sayin
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Fore sure. But when the previous topic was ephedrine and caffeine, I think we can agree it works haha, but we're beating a dead horse at this point. EC and green tea are both among the safest things for fat loss you can take, just use them within reason and logically.
 
muscleupcrohn said:
Fore sure. But when the previous topic was ephedrine and caffeine, I think we can agree it works haha, but we're beating a dead horse at this point. EC and green tea are both among the safest things for fat loss you can take, just use them within reason and logically.
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yes, as a recovering alcoholic I can say that even alcohol is safe to use when used within reason and logically....I think this probably applies to most things-with emphasis on 'MOST'.

but to the point EC and green tea are very safe used within reason.
 
thebigt said:
yes, as a recovering alcoholic I can say that even alcohol is safe to use when used within reason and logically....I think this probably applies to most things-with emphasis on 'MOST'.

but to the point EC and green tea are very safe used within reason.
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Haha, fair enough, but the potential for abuse for alcohol is clearly much more severe and likely than it is for EC or green tea. Alochol is not so good for fat loss though, but it's not bad at making fat people look less fat, so that's something?
 
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