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[Alpha Dog]

bow you crack me up. as soon as one of your contentions is disproved, you immediately regard that issue as insignificant

Wow, I agree with Blank again, is the world coming to an end?

So, just to be clear, you both believe its “terrible advice� to tell an 18 year old that PCT (estrogen antagonists, anti-e’s, etc) are unnecessary after a one week cycle? If not (as you later indicated), then don’t you think it would have been fair to have read my response (regarding his age) before indicating that I was giving shitty advice

BTW, yes, I am surprised at the degree of testosterone shutdown after only a three day M1T cycle. I didn’t think that testosterone production would be halted to that degree, and for that I stand corrected. However, what I meant by that not being the issue is that a substantial decrease in testosterone due to an increase in exogenous hormones does not indicate testicular insensitivity to LH. LH pulses will continue within days of cessation of exogenious hormones. What I was referring to as shutdown was the ability of the testies to be sensitive to LH and thus bring testosterone production back to normal levels quickly. This is, afterall, what is important. Is it not?

Anyway, I am hijacking this thread. The topic is not “PCT for an 18 year old after a one week cycle� If you would like, we could continue the topic elsewhere.

 

[Grant]

So, just to be clear, you both believe its “terrible advice� to tell an 18 year old that PCT (estrogen antagonists, anti-e’s, etc) are unnecessary after a one week cycle? If not (as you later indicated), then don’t you think it would have been fair to have read my response (regarding his age) before indicating that I was giving shitty advice

Hmmm, I would agree with you if it was anything else then m1t, just to make it clear. Based on my personal experience with m1t and bloodwork that I have seen, I think after a week on m1t an at least "mini PCT" is needed, or at least preferable to nothing at all. I dont think that it would permanantly harm him to do nothing, but it would make things eaiser on him to do something at least. I read your response, and my disagreeing was nothing personal :thumbsup:

 

[blank!]

So, just to be clear, you both believe its “terrible advice� to tell an 18 year old that PCT (estrogen antagonists, anti-e’s, etc) are unnecessary after a one week cycle? If not (as you later indicated), then don’t you think it would have been fair to have read my response (regarding his age) before indicating that I was giving shitty advice

BTW, yes, I am surprised at the degree of testosterone shutdown after only a three day M1T cycle. I didn’t think that testosterone production would be halted to that degree, and for that I stand corrected. However, what I meant by that not being the issue is that a substantial decrease in testosterone due to an increase in exogenous hormones does not indicate testicular insensitivity to LH. LH pulses will continue within days of cessation of exogenious hormones. What I was referring to as shutdown was the ability of the testies to be sensitive to LH and thus bring testosterone production back to normal levels quickly. This is, afterall, what is important. Is it not?

Anyway, I am hijacking this thread. The topic is not “PCT for an 18 year old after a one week cycle� If you would like, we could continue the topic elsewhere.

no disrespect, bow. i retract my "terrible advice" comment - but if i jumped the gun in that assertion, then i reckon you did the same with the your PCT advice. we can all agree that speculation on the hormonal response of an 18-year old on juice is an exercise in futility. what does remain to be truly evaluated is: if this were a person of proper age who had to cut an M1T cycle short @ 1 week - would they be better off with a "mini-PCT" as Grant said? bow has a point about LH sensitivity not being affected even though test is in the basement. i think this evaluation is beyond my sphere of understanding. it might be valuable to someone who gets sick on M1T and can't continue...my best guess is neither option will make a ton of difference...if i have a choice i'll suppress estrogen and try to stimulate HPTA after any period of test suppression.