What to stack and when?

[booneman77]

I've got two weeks left of an Erase Pro/ D-Pol log left so I'm beginning to look at what I would like to stack going forward. Below is my list of what I have laying in the 'ol cabinet and I would like some suggestions on how I could put something together. As I've been bulking up quite a bit and am currently about 14% bf, I'm looking to go recomp into a cut.

Some info on me: 5'10"/185lb/14%bf/26yrs old
I've dieted down using nothing but protein and creatine a few times over the last 2 years so I have no issues with the diet and exercise portion unless someone has a particular protocol that they would pair with a particular stack. I've been trying out IF (for the second time) and haven't seen much in the way of results so I'll plan on switching back to a standard BB style, 6-7 meals a day style diet. I usually lower fats, and cut carbs after my post workout meal (5-6pm).

My only question before you get to play stack-master: Would it make more sense to diet down, supplement free to about 10-12% bf before bothering with any of the supplements?

Supplements Available (1x=1 bottle):
1x Hyper T2
1x PX Black
4x Forskolin 95
2x Alphamine
1x Roxylean
1x Versa 1
3x AP
1/2x Metabolic Powder
1x Slinsane V2
3g Yohimbine HCL
2x MassFX Black
2x Erase Pro
I have some other misc stuff but most of it is cycle support type so nothing that would be helpful here. I would also be willing to purchase something to add this stash/stack (with good reasoning...) Have fun!

 

[aceroni]

I would get to 10-12% then add in sups. You'll see better results that way.

But since you need at least four Weeks off of erase, you might as well take that time to cut down without anything..

That being said you have great sups laying around. I've never used half of them, but I can advise for what I have used:

I'd say start with AP solo. Add in versa-1 after one to two bottles of AP. Then add in a tub of alphamine..
Maybe add in one bottle of erase with the alphamine as well.


By this time you'll be ****ing shredded, unless your diet is garbage.

 

[bolt10]

How long do you plan on cutting for? I like the slower approach (I find better retention of lean mass and strength that way).

I think you'd be hard pressed to find a better combo than Alphamine at up to 3 scoops per day, 100mg of F-95 (50mg with each dose of Alphamine), and Erase Pro. Add in AP and I'd be hard pressed to believe you know what your doing if you can't get ripped up on that.

I'd say maybe go just basics plus AP to start for 4 weeks and then if warranted add in the above.

 

[booneman77]

I would get to 10-12% then add in sups. You'll see better results that way.

But since you need at least four Weeks off of erase, you might as well take that time to cut down without anything..

That being said you have great sups laying around. I've never used half of them, but I can advise for what I have used:

I'd say start with AP solo. Add in versa-1 after one to two bottles of AP. Then add in a tub of alphamine..
Maybe add in one bottle of erase with the alphamine as well.

By this time you'll be ****ing shredded, unless your diet is garbage.

I do like the idea of cutting "natty" per se for a few weeks just to maximize results since the first bit will come off pretty easily. I've used and love AP before but never saw much from versa. I imagine it would be better suited for a lower bf (I was not last time I tried it back in my uneducated days of random supp use ha). I've never used alphamine either but couldn't resist the sales on a product with such great reviews.

 

[booneman77]

How long do you plan on cutting for? I like the slower approach (I find better retention of lean mass and strength that way).

I think you'd be hard pressed to find a better combo than Alphamine at up to 3 scoops per day, 100mg of F-95 (50mg with each dose of Alphamine), and Erase Pro. Add in AP and I'd be hard pressed to believe you know what your doing if you can't get ripped up on that.

I'd say maybe go just basics plus AP to start for 4 weeks and then if warranted add in the above.

No real time frame for this one so slow is good. Usually I tend to rush my cutting but I'm just doing it this time for me not a particular date or goal. My biggest issue is always wanting immediate results and then getting drastic with my diet to meet a lofty goal in a short time. It works but it always ends in a yo yo effect as I'm too strict and then too liberal. I end up ripped up with a six pack for a week then Im binge bloated until im just straight up soft again... A viscous cycle

 

[laneanders]

I do a very long cut, as I try to not lose anything but fat and water. I spent almost 4 years bulking from 160 to 250, and have now been in a slow cut for a little over 6 months. I sat at about 19% BF at 250 now just over 9% at 220, I alternated cutting with very little supplements and cutting with them. I notice a pretty drastic difference while on them. I would lose about ~1 pound every 2 weeks with only 24mg (8mg 3 times per day) Ephedrine and about ~2 pounds every 2 weeks with Dexaprine XR + Ephedrine 72mg (24mg 3 times per day I really like ECY stack). I'm going to add some Forskolin as well and see if that makes it even better. I'm barely eating under maintenance and still having very nice strength gains.

 

[veaderko]

Yeah I would wait till you are down farther. I feel like I got a bigger bang for my buck when I waited.

Thing is to think of your supps along with training and dieting like tools in a tool box. Once one stopps working, switch to another. Doesnt need to be drastic. For me dieting down was all nutrition, then added cardio, then switched my training to less rest periods, then added Dexaprine XR, then TT-33. That allowed for a slow cut but also taught me a bit about my body.

 

[booneman77]

I do a very long cut, as I try to not lose anything but fat and water. I spent almost 4 years bulking from 160 to 250, and have now been in a slow cut for a little over 6 months. I sat at about 19% BF at 250 now just over 9% at 220, I alternated cutting with very little supplements and cutting with them. I notice a pretty drastic difference while on them. I would lose about ~1 pound every 2 weeks with only 24mg (8mg 3 times per day) Ephedrine and about ~2 pounds every 2 weeks with Dexaprine XR + Ephedrine 72mg (24mg 3 times per day I really like ECY stack). I'm going to add some Forskolin as well and see if that makes it even better. I'm barely eating under maintenance and still having very nice strength gains.

Yeah I would wait till you are down farther. I feel like I got a bigger bang for my buck when I waited.

Thing is to think of your supps along with training and dieting like tools in a tool box. Once one stopps working, switch to another. Doesnt need to be drastic. For me dieting down was all nutrition, then added cardio, then switched my training to less rest periods, then added Dexaprine XR, then TT-33. That allowed for a slow cut but also taught me a bit about my body.

You guys have pretty much confirmed what I was thinking. Much appreciated for the solid insight.

Lane: when you did your ECY stack, were you just using the dexaprine as the CY? I'm thinking eventually ill use the alphamine the same way as it has a similar set of ingredients.

 

[xR1pp3Rx]

ive been playn with teh clen this same way.. good stuff..

 

[chedapalooza]

How long do you plan on cutting for? I like the slower approach (I find better retention of lean mass and strength that way).

I think you'd be hard pressed to find a better combo than Alphamine at up to 3 scoops per day, 100mg of F-95 (50mg with each dose of Alphamine), and Erase Pro. Add in AP and I'd be hard pressed to believe you know what your doing if you can't get ripped up on that.

I'd say maybe go just basics plus AP to start for 4 weeks and then if warranted add in the above.

Is 50mg twice daily a recommended dose, bolt? Just kind of add to it your fat burner?

 

[booneman77]

Is 50mg twice daily a recommended dose, bolt? Just kind of add to it your fat burner?

Coop's recommended protocol was 1-2caps of F-95 (so 25-50mg) with some B-Agonist (alphamine,etc.) totaling 50-150mg/day. I believe he's since added another thread that tested 100mg as an effective dose.

Edit: Heres the thread - Invalid Link Removed

 

[bolt10]

Is 50mg twice daily a recommended dose, bolt? Just kind of add to it your fat burner?

I'd say 50mg is the minimum (25mg with each dose of a stim..preferably some b-agonist like linked below). 100mg is the "sweet spot" IMO maximizing results before having diminishing returns with price. I suggested 100mg in this thread because he has a very nice stash of 4 F-95s.

Coop's recommended protocol was 1-2caps of F-95 (so 25-50mg) with some B-Agonist (alphamine,etc.) totaling 50-150mg/day. I believe he's since added another thread that tested 100mg as an effective dose.

Edit: Heres the thread - Invalid Link Removed

This x 1000. Thanks!

 

[booneman77]

Bump for any other stacking options... welcoming a new product or two as well if that changes things

 

[dkgreene88]

I would diet down to around 10-12% Bf then start using more supps. You will be able to tell a difference, at least I did.

When I cut from ~15%-->11% I dieted heavily and upped my cardio to 2 30 min sessions a day and added Dexaprine XR. I cut the weight in about a month and a half and have kept it off

 

[booneman77]

I would diet down to around 10-12% Bf then start using more supps. You will be able to tell a difference, at least I did.

When I cut from ~15%-->11% I dieted heavily and upped my cardio to 2 30 min sessions a day and added Dexaprine XR. I cut the weight in about a month and a half and have kept it off

What did you think of the dexaprine? I've seen it repped a ton but havent heard a lot of objective reviews