What should I put in salvo?

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I got some salvo that I was originally going to use for AAS but powder source is gone. So… I was brainstorming interesting things to put into salvo. At first I was thinking turkesterone or ecydysterone but the molecular weights are quite high (I’m filtering things out by that first and I haven’t looked into solubility in salvo yet). rubersterone assuming I can find it, it would fit the mw needed. Methoxyisoflavone is another one. But I’m open to all options EXCEPT sarms. Ideas?
 

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I also wanted to add, It doesn’t have to be anabolic. I’m open to a wide range of suggestions but I prefer things that haven’t or are not commonly used in transdermal application
 
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I'm not a Clen guy.
What would be the advantage to using it TD?

If memory servers correct... less CNS stimulant effects when used topically. Won't necessarily feel like you're all cracked out but still get the fat burning benefits.
 
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really interesting that you mentioned methoxyisoflavone. its got some data behind it iirc.
 
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I got some salvo that I was originally going to use for AAS but powder source is gone. So… I was brainstorming interesting things to put into salvo. At first I was thinking turkesterone or ecydysterone but the molecular weights are quite high (I’m filtering things out by that first and I haven’t looked into solubility in salvo yet). rubersterone assuming I can find it, it would fit the mw needed. Methoxyisoflavone is another one. But I’m open to all options EXCEPT sarms. Ideas?
I had some expired test C that I didn't want to pin, but didn't want to throw out, so did some tests with it in salvo with great results. Unsure of the molecular weight?, but was great at for libido and energy mainly, so something worked lol.
Going to make another batch for sure
 

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I had some expired test C that I didn't want to pin, but didn't want to throw out, so did some tests with it in salvo with great results. Unsure of the molecular weight?, but was great at for libido and energy mainly, so something worked lol.
Going to make another batch for sure
Did you just dump out 10ml of salvo and put the 10ml of test c in?
 

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really interesting that you mentioned methoxyisoflavone. its got some data behind it iirc.
I've tried a TD methoxy from Legal Gear almost some 15-20 years ago. Don't remember getting anything out of it. Can't recall what exactly was in it or how much.... or even the name of it. But I do remember it was methoxy TD from LG.
 

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I've tried a TD methoxy from Legal Gear almost some 15-20 years ago. Don't remember getting anything out of it. Can't recall what exactly was in it or how much.... or even the name of it. But I do remember it was methoxy TD from LG.
Come to think of it, I think i remember that too although never took it. Not even sure how good their TD carrier was. Their TD pump product was sticky 😖
 

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Come to think of it, I think i remember that too although never took it. Not even sure how good their TD carrier was. Their TD pump product was sticky 😖
For some reason I feel like it was a spray rather than a traditional pump... but I could be wrong. It was a while ago.
 

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I wanted to say it was called Product X...? Does that sound familiar to anyone?
 
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I am a former rep of LG and I honestly don't remember this one. they would not be my first choice in TDs. I took the stuff in back in the day and my weight went up but I can't say I got any strength or leaning effects. I remember the research was mostly looking at bone health and strength.
 

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I am a former rep of LG and I honestly don't remember this one. they would not be my first choice in TDs. I took the stuff in back in the day and my weight went up but I can't say I got any strength or leaning effects. I remember the research was mostly looking at bone health and strength.
I remember I took a LG HGH spray or whatever (under the tongue) and I don’t remember if it worked well but it tasted alright lol
 

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I am a former rep of LG and I honestly don't remember this one. they would not be my first choice in TDs. I took the stuff in back in the day and my weight went up but I can't say I got any strength or leaning effects. I remember the research was mostly looking at bone health and strength.
I'm almost 100% sure it was from LG and was a TD methoxy... pretty sure a spray bottle... but I perhaps I could be wrong. It was a long time ago. For some reason I feel like the name was Product X or Product Y or something like that. Doesn't ring a bell to anyone?
 
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I'm almost 100% sure it was from LG and was a TD methoxy... pretty sure a spray bottle... but I perhaps I could be wrong. It was a long time ago. For some reason I feel like the name was Product X or Product Y or something like that. Doesn't ring a bell to anyone?
I really don't think LG went down the TD road because the owner was pretty concerned about the FDA's stance on them, and he was already on their sh17 list. I'm not saying you dint use a TD product from LG at all, I'm just saying this is likely why they never went into full TD development. For instance, the owner was keenly aware of topical DHEA analog usage and may have been the one who licensed a few of these newer ones like 4DHEA to high tech. it's been so long since then I dont really remember all of the details.
is LG even around anymore?
 

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I really don't think LG went down the TD road because the owner was pretty concerned about the FDA's stance on them, and he was already on their sh17 list. I'm not saying you dint use a TD product from LG at all, I'm just saying this is likely why they never went into full TD development. For instance, the owner was keenly aware of topical DHEA analog usage and may have been the one who licensed a few of these newer ones like 4DHEA to high tech. it's been so long since then I dont really remember all of the details.
is LG even around anymore?
Yes but only on the hi-tech website
 

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I really don't think LG went down the TD road because the owner was pretty concerned about the FDA's stance on them, and he was already on their sh17 list. I'm not saying you dint use a TD product from LG at all, I'm just saying this is likely why they never went into full TD development. For instance, the owner was keenly aware of topical DHEA analog usage and may have been the one who licensed a few of these newer ones like 4DHEA to high tech. it's been so long since then I dont really remember all of the details.
is LG even around anymore?
Interesting. Yeah I really can't guarantee it was them but I believe it was a spray called Product X or "something" X and they may have had another one called "something" Y. I'm going back now so I really can't guarantee I'm right about this but I'm pretty sure it was LG. I believe Hi-Tech bought LG? Not sure. Don't really see any new products from the LG brand.
 

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Just looked it up and I believe it was called Legal Gear Product X Dermasize. I can't find the ingredients online right now but I believe it was methoxy. I think there might have also been a Product Y but I can't swear by it.
 

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Just looked it up and I believe it was called Legal Gear Product X Dermasize. I can't find the ingredients online right now but I believe it was methoxy. I think there might have also been a Product Y but I can't swear by it.
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Thanks SSJ this is a real blast from the past! I believe there was also a product called Product Y from Legal Gear... but not sure what was in that. Any chance the website you pulled that from might have information on Product Y? If memory serves me correct it was another spray TD like Product X.
 

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Thanks SSJ this is a real blast from the past! I believe there was also a product called Product Y from Legal Gear... but not sure what was in that. Any chance the website you pulled that from might have information on Product Y? If memory serves me correct it was another spray TD like Product X.
Nothing comes up. I search product x dermasize and found a link and used way back to show the website from like 2006
 

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Nothing comes up. I search product x dermasize and found a link and used way back to show the website from like 2006
It's possible I might be remembering incorrectly as well... maybe there wasn't a Product Y or maybe it was called something else. Appreciate your help though!
 
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It's possible I might be remembering incorrectly as well... maybe there wasn't a Product Y or maybe it was called something else. Appreciate your help though!
it literally sounds like something they would have done. :ROFLMAO:
 

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it literally sounds like something they would have done. :ROFLMAO:
The only thing I can remember from Product X Dermasize was that it didn't give me any results... other than a rash. I think it's the only TD I've used that gave me a rash.
 
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really interesting that you mentioned methoxyisoflavone. its got some data behind it iirc.
Funny I was running that back in 1997?

It was somewhat popular in the 90s tbh.

I didn't really get much out of it, but I also didn't run it super long either. It was pricy then too.
 
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Funny I was running that back in 1997?

It was somewhat popular in the 90s tbh.

I didn't really get much out of it, but I also didn't run it super long either. It was pricy then too.
I was thinking it might be a great addition to older trainees' arsenal.
 

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Considering maybe a transdermal NSI-189 (nootropic, pretty cool) as well.
 
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I got some salvo that I was originally going to use for AAS but powder source is gone. So… I was brainstorming interesting things to put into salvo. At first I was thinking turkesterone or ecydysterone but the molecular weights are quite high (I’m filtering things out by that first and I haven’t looked into solubility in salvo yet). rubersterone assuming I can find it, it would fit the mw needed. Methoxyisoflavone is another one. But I’m open to all options EXCEPT sarms. Ideas?
I got some salvo that I was originally going to use for AAS but powder source is gone. So… I was brainstorming interesting things to put into salvo. At first I was thinking turkesterone or ecydysterone but the molecular weights are quite high (I’m filtering things out by that first and I haven’t looked into solubility in salvo yet). rubersterone assuming I can find it, it would fit the mw needed. Methoxyisoflavone is another one. But I’m open to all options EXCEPT sarms. Ideas?
Sr9009 and ephedrine
 
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That would be interesting. Sourcing ephedrine powder would probably be a pain in the ass though
Ya, I don't really know anything about sourcing that but I'm sure there's a few ppl around here that would know
 

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Thoughts on perhaps adding either adex or exemestane (I have both) and ralox to salvo for a titty rub? I have all 3 of these from some “meh” research company that definitely uses everclear only for the liquid or worse… but could most definitely poor the bottles out, evaporate the liquid and be left with powder for the salvo. Ralox as TD might be interesting by itself but adding adex or exemestane might be cool because of slower delivery of the active. @Smont because you are smarter than I
 

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Wish I could get some test base and make like a full trt transdermal with test and an ai or…trest and an ai and ralox all in one to fully prevent the tits
 
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Thoughts on perhaps adding either adex or exemestane (I have both) and ralox to salvo for a titty rub? I have all 3 of these from some “meh” research company that definitely uses everclear only for the liquid or worse… but could most definitely poor the bottles out, evaporate the liquid and be left with powder for the salvo. Ralox as TD might be interesting by itself but adding adex or exemestane might be cool because of slower delivery of the active. @Smont because you are smarter than I
I've heard of TD Nolva being effective for this kind of thing.
 

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