What SARMS don't you like?

No, I totally agree. I don’t think all of that is necessary at all. I just wanted to make the point that SARMs definitely aren’t weak like people make them out to be. Most of the time when people can’t gain, it’s their own fault. SARMs are stronger mg for mg than the weaker orals like Proviron or Anavar.

I’ve heard that about Anavar too. I think the stuff nowadays is probably way less pure though, I doubt the active compound dosage is different. There’s probably a lot more filler.

Your wrong about var dude, that stuff rocks if you can get legit, if your diet and workouts are in check you’ll gain much more than any sarm, I’ve got one cycles worth of triumph which is gtg and after that I’ve got var raws to cap, teamed with test I’ve seen great gains
 
Var is mostly use to maintain muscle while in a deficit, you can use var to build muscle but you have to take 50mg or more, sarms like s4 or rad140 can closely do the same thing on a deficit, but they're easier and faster to obtain. But the side effects on var are very well known and in most cases not as bad as sarms. Also var kicks in in about week, verses sarms which need 2 weeks at the soonest but 3 weeks for sure

Which one is better though, from the logs I've read its a close call in my opinion
 
Var is mostly use to maintain muscle while in a deficit, you can use var to build muscle but you have to take 50mg or more, sarms like s4 or rad140 can closely do the same thing on a deficit, but they're easier and faster to obtain. But the side effects on var are very well known and in most cases not as bad as sarms.

Which one is better though, from the logs I've read its a close call in my opinion
If you’ve got proper var it will piss all over them, it’s a proven steroid and not a research sarm with practically zero history. Do you get yellow vision on var? No. Your lipids do get tanked on var but not as bad as rad.
With var you can build good quality keepable muscle and burn fat. People that say var is for women are soooo wrong mate, i tell thee
 
It won’t let me post a link here but if you go to the wikipedia page on SR-9009 you can find articles and studies

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And this is a quote from an email to a friend of mine which was a response from the professor who performed the rat studies, himself. His response on the oral bio-availability leads me to believe he’s either exaggerating, wrong, or the oral versions of the compound are methylated or alkylated.

He’s neither exaggerating nor wrong. Oral sr9009 is a waste of money, won’t do anything, if your oral sr9009 works, then it’s fake. You’re taking something else. Might even just be cardarine or gw0742.
 
I guess I’m the only one who thinks KONG is underdosed. It’s not overkill by any stretch. It’s a super weak dose, unless you actually take the two of them per day. Then you’re getting real decent doses of a nice quaint little three sarm stack, and cardarine and mk677 on top.
 
I guess I’m the only one who thinks KONG is underdosed. It’s not overkill by any stretch. It’s a super weak dose, unless you actually take the two of them per day. Then you’re getting real decent doses of a nice quaint little three sarm stack, and cardarine and mk677 on top.
Considering it has 10mg of LGD4033, 6mg of RAD140 and 15mg MK2866... it's ok in my opinion.

The 20mg of GW will help with fat loss and endurance, the 15mg of MK677 is too low dosed in my opinion and will do nothing more than make you feel good and sleep good (if taken before bed) with some water retention which can help with putting out more reps.

The real work is coming from the lgd, but the 15mg of mk and the 6mg of rad140 does seem odd. Like trying to imitate a low dose of var. Now if it was more like...

5mg of lgd4033
10mg of rad140 or 12.5mg of mk2866
10mg gw501516
12.5mg mk677

Per capsule in a 60 cap bottle, then hell yeah its spot on, hell I'd buy it now lol

If you guys at Medfit RX use my idea, i don't want any residuals, I just want a lifetime supply of it... no im being serious be fair guys.
 
Considering it has 10mg of LGD4033, 6mg of RAD140 and 15mg MK2866... it's ok in my opinion.

The 20mg of GW will help with fat loss and endurance, the 15mg of MK677 is too low dosed in my opinion and will do nothing more than make you feel good and sleep good (if taken before bed) with some water retention which can help with putting out more reps.

The real work is coming from the lgd, but the 15mg of mk and the 6mg of rad140 does seem odd. Like trying to imitate a low dose of var. Now if it was more like...

5mg of lgd4033
10mg of rad140 or 12.5mg of mk2866
10mg gw501516
12.5mg mk677

Per capsule in a 60 cap bottle, then hell yeah its spot on, hell I'd buy it now lol

If you guys at Medfit RX use my idea, i don't want any residuals, I just want a lifetime supply of it... no im being serious be fair guys.

If it were dosed as is in a 60cap bottle then it’s what I’d call bare minimum for any real effects whatsoever. Except the mk677 and cardarine, those can come down a little if need be. Not necessary though.

But then again I’m also a steroid user of quite some years, and I’m not going to bother with using something far weaker than anavar at any dose that doesn’t at least replicate anavar somewhat.

For that:

25mg lgd4033
45mg mk2866
30mg rad 140 (optional)
20mg cardarine
25mg mk677 (optional)

Those five, dosed like that, would be ideal for Kong. You will get good and worthwhile growth in two to three months using that.

It will be pretty strong for a newcomer, but not too strong IMO.

And just strong enough a seasoned vet can hope to yield maybe a pound a week after week 6-8 if they try.
 
If it were dosed as is in a 60cap bottle then it’s what I’d call bare minimum for any real effects whatsoever. Except the mk677 and cardarine, those can come down a little if need be. Not necessary though.

But then again I’m also a steroid user of quite some years, and I’m not going to bother with using something far weaker than anavar at any dose that doesn’t at least replicate anavar somewhat.

For that:

25mg lgd4033
45mg mk2866
30mg rad 140 (optional)
20mg cardarine
25mg mk677 (optional)

Those five, dosed like that, would be ideal for Kong. You will get good and worthwhile growth in two to three months using that.

It will be pretty strong for a newcomer, but not too strong IMO.

And just strong enough a seasoned vet can hope to yield maybe a pound a week after week 6-8 if they try.
Lol damn bro, 25mg of lgd4033, 30mg of rad140 and 25mg of mk2866! At that point i rather do 5 weeks of superdrol or just pin some test cyp for 12 weeks.

My hypothetical formula is geared more towards beginners and intermediates, more towards intermediates since they should know what sarms work for them. Yours in my opinion is more for intermediates and vets, but its still pretty damn epic. You must be an entirely different breed of beast if you're willing to take more than the recommend dose of 3 different sarms for yourself
 
Lol damn bro, 25mg of lgd4033, 30mg of rad140 and 25mg of mk2866! At that point i rather do 5 weeks of superdrol or just pin some test cyp for 12 weeks.

My hypothetical formula is geared more towards beginners and intermediates, more towards intermediates since they should know what sarms work for them. Yours in my opinion is more for intermediates and vets, but its still pretty damn epic. You must be an entirely different breed of beast if you're willing to take more than the recommend dose of 3 different sarms for yourself

If you’ll take more than 2-5mg, you’re taking more than the recommended dose.

5 weeks of superdrol will shred your liver, those sarms won’t. Your ALT may rise some, that’s it. Not rising to the 400s like superdrol hahahah.
 
If you’ll take more than 2-5mg, you’re taking more than the recommended dose.

5 weeks of superdrol will shred your liver, those sarms won’t. Your ALT may rise some, that’s it. Not rising to the 400s like superdrol hahahah.
Lol yeah you gotta point about the superdrol, the laboratory tested amount and the bro science recommend amount seem to work fine for most people. Hell even i took 15mg of lgd instead of 10 for my first cycle so i cant speak, but i think my results would have been the same if i stuck to 10mg. Im just more cautious when it comes to sarms since no one knows their long term effects. After all more than half of the people who do ped's/aas dont even get blood tests let alone post it.

Eventually im gonna start pinning anyway just for my own peace of mind.
 
There was a video on here a while back on how badly rad tanks your lipids

I had my HDL go al the way down to the low 20s with Rad at 30 mg for 8 weeks, but I was also taking 30 mg S23, 25 mg Ostarine, and 1000 mg Epi Andro so I want too shocked when the labs came back lol! Almost any anabolic (Sarm, steroid, prohormone) is going to whack your HDL lower anyhow.
 
I had my HDL go al the way down to the low 20s with Rad at 30 mg for 8 weeks, but I was also taking 30 mg S23, 25 mg Ostarine, and 1000 mg Epi Andro so I want too shocked when the labs came back lol! Almost any anabolic (Sarm, steroid, prohormone) is going to whack your HDL lower anyhow.
Very true, but judging from the blood work ive seen mk2866 does that the most, not all the the time but more often than the other sarms.

Thanks for your reply brother
 
I had my HDL go al the way down to the low 20s with Rad at 30 mg for 8 weeks, but I was also taking 30 mg S23, 25 mg Ostarine, and 1000 mg Epi Andro so I want too shocked when the labs came back lol! Almost any anabolic (Sarm, steroid, prohormone) is going to whack your HDL lower anyhow.

You should see what a little arimadex can do to your lipids. HDL = 5
 
On the subject of dosing ANYTHING whether you’re a beginner or not: if you’re not taking a high enough dose or enough of a stack that it is VERY apparent to you that you’re on androgens, you’re wasting your health, money, and future hormone production for nothing.
 
If you’ll take more than 2-5mg, you’re taking more than the recommended dose.

5 weeks of superdrol will shred your liver, those sarms won’t. Your ALT may rise some, that’s it. Not rising to the 400s like superdrol hahahah.

Uh no, I just finished a 5week cycle of Superdrol and posted bloods. No where near 400.
 
Uh no, I just finished a 5week cycle of Superdrol and posted bloods. No where near 400.

Everyone is different smartass. I’ve seen a few who made it up in the 350s within three. It can happen. Now go play in the yard.
 
You should see what a little arimadex can do to your lipids. HDL = 5

Ya I have read about that in my books on trt. All the authors pretty much recommend taking a trt dose that will allow you to stay on trt an avoid Arimidex because of lipids. I have a doctor that I don’t think he knows what the hell he was doing. My E2 tested just slightly above normal at 40 on an Estradiol Sensitive test and he wanted to put me on a whopping 1 mg Arimidex every other day dosage! Talk about heart attack waiting to happen! I had him just lower my trt dose instead till Estradiol came into range.
 
If it were dosed as is in a 60cap bottle then it’s what I’d call bare minimum for any real effects whatsoever. Except the mk677 and cardarine, those can come down a little if need be. Not necessary though.

But then again I’m also a steroid user of quite some years, and I’m not going to bother with using something far weaker than anavar at any dose that doesn’t at least replicate anavar somewhat.

For that:

25mg lgd4033
45mg mk2866
30mg rad 140 (optional)
20mg cardarine
25mg mk677 (optional)

Those five, dosed like that, would be ideal for Kong. You will get good and worthwhile growth in two to three months using that.

It will be pretty strong for a newcomer, but not too strong IMO.

And just strong enough a seasoned vet can hope to yield maybe a pound a week after week 6-8 if they try.

Checkout this product on the right, local gym owner says it, "gets results." Never seen anything dosed this high. Invalid Link Removed
 
Looks perfect. Just hope it’s real.

That what I'm wondering. Considering it's only $75 a bottle, and it would cost me about that much to cap my own from raws. Either way I'm looking at high dose ostarine with lgd plus maybe some cardarine for my next sarm cycle.
 
60 mg of Ostarine? I guess you hate your liver.
Laxo and Arimistane = Nope
30 mg of LGD seems a bit high

It would have been better to double the caps and half the (mg) for dosing better.
The price doesn't look right Bob. :P

The RAD looks good.
 
60 mg of Ostarine? I guess you hate your liver.
Laxo and Arimistane = Nope
30 mg of LGD seems a bit high

It would have been better to double the caps and half the (mg) for dosing better.
The price doesn't look right Bob. :P

The RAD looks good.

Is ostarine really that bad for your liver? I don't see how it could be anywhere near as bad as designer steroids. OW runs doses nearly that high for 16-20 weeks. Sure people have posted high liver enzymes, but how do you know they were actually taking ostarine?
 
That what I'm wondering. Considering it's only $75 a bottle, and it would cost me about that much to cap my own from raws. Either way I'm looking at high dose ostarine with lgd plus maybe some cardarine for my next sarm cycle.

Raws are much cheaper than you might realize. Even a cheap product can be real if the manufacturer has the right source. The whole “too cheap to be real” that gets tossed around a lot on this forum is pure ignorance. Nothing more. Yes, there are fake sarms. No, price won’t give you a hint.

There’s a good chance this is real. The doses are high because of that. The manufacturer did not want customers to feel ripped off or that sarms are bull****. Sarms are not much stronger than andros as far as effects at the doses normally used which are often recommended BY ONLINE SALESMEN, however at ACTUAL bodybuilding doses (as shown on this bottle) you’re going to get a much more pronounced and steroid-like effect and result.

Pretty soon, only the online retailers will be carrying and recommending the weak and wholly ineffective doses which are still so popular online. Anyone who knows, will do otherwise. Anyone who doesn’t, doesn’t know. Even if experienced.

This isn’t 100mg superdrol, your liver will handle this like 100mg anavar.
 
60 mg of Ostarine? I guess you hate your liver.
Laxo and Arimistane = Nope
30 mg of LGD seems a bit high

It would have been better to double the caps and half the (mg) for dosing better.
The price doesn't look right Bob.

The RAD looks good.
I agree 60mg of ostarine and 30mg of lgd is insane, laxo is all hype and armistane is wack get aromasin instead

BUT that dose is is about two pills worth. So if you take 1 pill it would be about 30mg of ostarine and 15mg of lgd, now thats not bad at all if you take 1 pill a day. If this is your 3rd cycle then **** take 2 pills but with those other two ingredients in it i would personally pass.
 
Is ostarine really that bad for your liver? I don't see how it could be anywhere near as bad as designer steroids. OW runs doses nearly that high for 16-20 weeks. Sure people have posted high liver enzymes, but how do you know they were actually taking ostarine?

No, it isn’t. It took the full cycle for my urine to darken at all. Came off when I ran out and got bloods done to see what I needed for pct.

HORMONES IN RANGE WITH BASELINE. No pct needed, liver in range.... lipids A-OK (thanks Cardarine)

WILL THIS BE YOUR RESULTS? Likely not. Everyone is different.

I seem to have a knack for recovery, or my body just loves androgens. Not sure what it is. I only feel crap for a day or two after ending a few bottles of DS... every time I go to get bloods expecting things to finally take their toll... they haven’t.

Mid cycle bloods for me tell an entirely different story, depending on the drugs.

Liver toxicity is exaggerated. It’s your cardiovascular system that will kill you in a heartbeat. Unless you have a prior medical condition. But then you wouldn’t be using PEDs, would you?
 
The only side effect I can note from high dose ostarine is poor adjustment to bright lights.
 
No, it isn’t. It took the full cycle for my urine to darken at all. Came off when I ran out and got bloods done to see what I needed for pct.

HORMONES IN RANGE WITH BASELINE. No pct needed, liver in range.... lipids A-OK (thanks Cardarine)

WILL THIS BE YOUR RESULTS? Likely not. Everyone is different.

I seem to have a knack for recovery, or my body just loves androgens. Not sure what it is. I only feel crap for a day or two after ending a few bottles of DS... every time I go to get bloods expecting things to finally take their toll... they haven’t.

Mid cycle bloods for me tell an entirely different story, depending on the drugs.

Liver toxicity is exaggerated. It’s your cardiovascular system that will kill you in a heartbeat. Unless you have a prior medical condition. But then you wouldn’t be using PEDs, would you?

Do you take anything like NAC, TUDCA, or milk thistle when running ostarine that high? I've only had slightly elevated liver enzymes once, and that was the day after going to a football game and having 8+ drinks, so I'm not super worried about it.
 
Do you take anything like NAC, TUDCA, or milk thistle when running ostarine that high? I've only had slightly elevated liver enzymes once, and that was the day after going to a football game and having 8+ drinks, so I'm not super worried about it.

I don’t use liver support. Haven’t seen any differences. Could be many reasons. I’d recommend it, though. Better safe than sorry.

Except when it comes to dosing anabolics. Taking minuscule amounts is a waste of time and money, and a waste of your ballsack. You get barely any returns, and you still get the shutdown, and still have to take time off. So used that way, sarms are 150% worthless. Might as well just eat more.

Anyone telling you this is sincerely too much is a complete moron who has obviously been wasting a lot of time and money. No offense, whoever might be doing that... sarms are just as suppressive as many steroids, microdosing doesn’t really change that.
 
No, it isn’t. It took the full cycle for my urine to darken at all. Came off when I ran out and got bloods done to see what I needed for pct.

HORMONES IN RANGE WITH BASELINE. No pct needed, liver in range.... lipids A-OK (thanks Cardarine)

WILL THIS BE YOUR RESULTS? Likely not. Everyone is different.

I seem to have a knack for recovery, or my body just loves androgens. Not sure what it is. I only feel crap for a day or two after ending a few bottles of DS... every time I go to get bloods expecting things to finally take their toll... they haven’t.

Mid cycle bloods for me tell an entirely different story, depending on the drugs.

Liver toxicity is exaggerated. It’s your cardiovascular system that will kill you in a heartbeat. Unless you have a prior medical condition. But then you wouldn’t be using PEDs, would you?
Dude just because you have a liver of iron doesn't mean he does too, if this is his first cycle then he should be better safe than sorry. He should use on cycle support and plan a proper pct. Then when he gets blood work done he can see if he's one of those lucky few than can get away with no pct.

Cause he'll be face palming himself if finds out his liver isnt as strong as yours
 
Dude just because you have a liver of iron doesn't mean he does too, if this is his first cycle then he should be better safe than sorry. He should use on cycle support and plan a proper pct. Then when he gets blood work done he can see if he's one of those lucky few than can get away with no pct.

Cause he'll be face palming himself if finds out his liver isnt as strong as yours

I don’t have a liver of iron at all, I can barely take ANY dianabol without immediately getting sick.
 
How do you feel about S23?
I think it's the strongest SARM.

Agreed. It’s very powerful at a low dose 20mg or so. Possibly stronger than winstrol, both in effect and toxicity.


Sort of like a cross between winstrol and superdrol or M1T as far as effect vs side effect.

My least favorite. Won’t be using again. Just use winny.
 
Don't know that everybody responds differently to sarms? Don't know if this is 1st cycle or his 10th? If he wants to take that product then fine we're not his uncles. I say less is more you say more is better we agree to disagree.

But at least he should be prepared with proper cycle support and a serm for pct. He may handle it just fine and send me PM and tell me to F myself or he may experience diarrhea from the combination of ingredients who knows.

But at the very least he should prepared
 
This isn’t his first time, already known. If he isn’t prepared that’s his own doing. I’m simply giving my opinion as an experienced drug veteran.

By the way, less is never more, more is always more.

More is not always better. Less is almost never better.
 
In all, having tried all listed compounds solo, and stacked, the doses I found to be worth my time and money and health, are as I suggest and no less. Lgd and osta absolutely must stack with at least one other compound (preferably each other) and run high. 25mg lgd, 45mg ostarine. Minimum.
 
This isn’t his first time, already known. If he isn’t prepared that’s his own doing. I’m simply giving my opinion as an experienced drug veteran.

By the way, less is never more, more is always more.

More is not always better. Less is almost never better.

Even with the help of drugs the body can only build so much muscle in a day, I believe building muscle is a marathon not a race.
 
Even with the help of drugs the body can only build so much muscle in a day, I believe building muscle is a marathon not a race.

Correct, and if you’re taking drugs and not getting more than 10lbs in 12weeks, then congrats. You wasted your money. Nattys could do better. And do.

And they don’t risk shutdown either.

If you’re going to take piddly and ineffective doses of weak drugs. Just stay natural. Thank me later.

(This doesn’t apply to highly seasoned old guard who can no longer gain weight on any dose. )
 
Building muscle is definitely a marathon, and if you’re risking your health while doing it, you better be getting results. Or else what are you doing besides wasting time, money, health?
 
At the low doses the risk is there but the reward isn’t. Tell me, what’s the logic in that?
 
Correct, and if you’re taking drugs and not getting more than 10lbs in 12weeks, then congrats. You wasted your money. Nattys could do better. And do.

And they don’t risk shutdown either.

If you’re going to take piddly and ineffective doses of weak drugs. Just stay natural. Thank me later.

(This doesn’t apply to highly seasoned old guard who can no longer gain weight on any dose. )

lol 10 pounds in 12 weeks yeah maybe on someones first cycle, but unless you keep taking more and more that not going to happen every cycle. But everyone has different goals, I personally take low doses to slowly build my body up to what I want while keeping my endurance at the same level. I'm truthfully only 7 pounds away from my goal of 175lb, not big at all, but at 5'8 thats a good size. But i use to practice wing chun and tai chi so to me the extra weight would just get in the way.
 
lol 10 pounds in 12 weeks yeah maybe on someones first cycle, but unless you keep taking more and more that not going to happen every cycle. But everyone has different goals, I personally take low doses to slowly build my body up to what I want while keeping my endurance at the same level. I'm truthfully only 7 pounds away from my goal of 175lb, not big at all, but at 5'8 thats a good size. But i use to practice wing chun and tai chi so to me the extra weight would just get in the way.

Your first (real) cycle should net around 30lbs or you’re doing it super wrong.

Yeah, I’ve been doing TKD for 27 years. Size was never an issue for mobility or speed, it’s called training for a reason. I’m 6’3” goal weight 285 currently 205, last year was 160, 10 years ago was 265 looking like an off season golden era legend. Wish I had had the confidence to compete. Wanted to, badly, was even practicing for it. Then life happened.

Now I’m back with a vengeance, I deserve the body I built, and I will have it again. And more.
 
Your first (real) cycle should net around 30lbs or you’re doing it super wrong.

Yeah, I’ve been doing TKD for 27 years. Size was never an issue for mobility or speed, it’s called training for a reason. I’m 6’3” goal weight 285 currently 205, last year was 160, 10 years ago was 265 looking like an off season golden era legend. Wish I had had the confidence to compete. Wanted to, badly, was even practicing for it. Then life happened.

Now I’m back with a vengeance, I deserve the body I built, and I will have it again. And more.
30 pounds as in from start to heaviest on cycle I’d imagine, not 30lbs retained post-cycle, right?

Also, do you have pics of you at your peak? Not doubting, but you know whenever sometime makes a claim like that it’s inevitable that someone asks haha.
 
Your first (real) cycle should net around 30lbs or you’re doing it super wrong.

Yeah, I’ve been doing TKD for 27 years. Size was never an issue for mobility or speed, it’s called training for a reason. I’m 6’3” goal weight 285 currently 205, last year was 160, 10 years ago was 265 looking like an off season golden era legend. Wish I had had the confidence to compete. Wanted to, badly, was even practicing for it. Then life happened.

Now I’m back with a vengeance, I deserve the body I built, and I will have it again. And more.

I guess i'm doing it super wrong then lol, my reasons are purely bro science. But I feel if I build myself up slowly to the weight and physic I want it will be easier to retain and obtain again even if I take a few months off. But TKD is killer to spar up against especially if your opponent has trees for legs.
 
30 pounds as in from start to heaviest on cycle I’d imagine, not 30lbs retained post-cycle, right?

Also, do you have pics of you at your peak? Not doubting, but you know whenever sometime makes a claim like that it’s inevitable that someone asks haha.

I mean netting about 30, so gaining around 35-40, losing a few post cycle. That’s ideal.

Dude I don’t even have my TKD belts from when I was a kid anymore, I don’t have my archery comp trophies, I don’t have my old life. I wish I had saved one thing, and it would not have been a photo of myself.

Self hatred is a funny thing. I went down that spiral so far I was homeless more than once, hospitalized, medicated...

So no, BUT when I start looking that way again I’ll start posting up current pics. Currently, I look like ****. Nothing to be proud of.

But I didn’t pin last year either, and only bulked. This year is pins all year, and recomp, then slow gradual bulking. I got myself up to my “beginner weight” this year. I’m about where I was when I was 15, before I ever used gear. Not strong enough, a little bit of a fat guy still.

So far in life I had achieved nothing but regret at any endeavor, in the end. I didn’t keep my muscle that it took years of drugs to build, I didn’t keep my house, my life, my family...


Well, that was a downer.

I have another life now, a real family, a good home, and only now am I truly looking ahead and planning for the distant future. Only now do I care about what I had lost, and only now do I wish I could have done certain things differently.

So take my word or don’t, I really don’t care. This is my life, my story, I own it. I can’t change how it is.

I need a nap. This is my day off and I’m wasting it online. No idea why.
 
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