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What products would you like to see us make?

begformercy said:
Did someone already mention a Tren Clone?

Because I'd like one. Oh yes, I would.
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IMO, there's tons of clones yet (tren-clones, halo-clones, etc., etc., etc.,...). One more clone wouldn't be exciting.

I hope if CEL launch an Hormonal it's a really new compound (totally new, or a modified existent PH). For example, a modified tren PH like that: 7a-methyl-4-hydroxy-estra-4,9-diene-3,17-diol, or a 7a-methyl-1,4AD-Diol, or anything in that line, but not a simply clone. (I hope).


If CEL take any existing PH, and do any of the modifications that i said (7a-methylation, add a 4-chloro or 4-hydroxy group, and of course, in -diol form) it would be great, and a lot better than the already existing compound.
 
JBerto said:
I've found an interesting article of some time ago related to the hydroxyls. I believe that they never went out to the sale. Maybe already be time ;):


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I think Estra-4,9-diene-diol or 4-hydroxy-estra-4,9-diene-dione would be good products. The better would be 4-hydroxy-estra-4,9-diene-diol (methylated or unmethylated version), but it that cannot be produced for any reason (raws, price, etc...) then Estra-4,9-diol or 4-hydroxy-estra-4,9-dione (4-hydroxy inhibit aromatization of the diones) would be good options.

Anyway, all the compounds of that article seems to be good.
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I remember that post from way back in the day. I think an Estra-4,9-diene-diol would be ideal for a hormonal product. It would eliminate any chances of direct conversion to estrogen that the current dione has. Also a dose of 10mg per cap would likely work as well, if not better than 30mg of the current dione. IMO there's no need to mess with any esters on this one though as the 4,9-diene alteration makes this compound resilient to liver breakdown which is why the estra-4,9 compounds work so well orally :head:
 
NickW said:
4-hydroxy-17a-methyl-2-oxa-5a-androstane-3-one
4-hydroxy-17a-methyl-androsta-1,4-dien-3-one
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4-OH D-Bol would be very interesting :thumbsup:

As for the 4-OH Var, I'd rather find a straight Diol PS to Var being that it's already so dry.
 
JBerto said:
If finally CEL launches a new hormonal, I would like it be:

* Diol: of course, -diol its better than -dione (diols has higher conversion rate)

* 4-chloro or 4-hydroxy: both groups inhibits aromatization and 5a-reduction, so would be good the compound has one of those groups.

* 7a-methylated: Methylation improves bioavailability, but 17a-methyl its highly toxic. 7a-methyl has lower toxicity. Being 7a-methyl it would have high bioavailability, low toxicity, and would be easily stackable. Another ways to improving bioavailability but withount rise liver toxicity too much would be add a 6a-methyl or a Cyclopentenyl ether group (the cyclopentenyl ether increases oral bioavailability, but it isn't hepatoxic. That improve the effects of that PH without rise the sides).


Any new PH that have all those characteristics would be great (like 7a-methyl-4-hydroxy-estra-4,9-diene-3,17-diol, or any other with that 3 requisites).


Another interesting modification would be add a 7a,11b-dimethyl group, like in dimethandrolone(7a,11b-dimethyl-19-nortestosterone). the 7a,11b-dimethyl prevents aromatization (11b) and 5a-reductase (7a)
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All good stuff. 7a-methyl's would still likely have toxicity, just not as much as a 17aa. Just as the 4,9-diene - some think there's no toxicity since it's unmethyl but almost any alteration that inhibits breakdown in the liver will also in turn add toxicity. I've seen some very highly elevated liver enzyme #'s from X Tren ran solo.

Enough babbling though, in regards to the 4-chloro I'd be curious to see how a 4-chloro Anadrol reacts. Especially seeing how well the 4-chloro D-bol works (OT).
 
how about an otc pct product? Id like to see a clone of ids post cycle tabs with some reservatrol, dvth, and eurycoma longifolia that might be too much but something along those lines. We have all these hormones with no pct lol
 
Motox said:
how about an otc pct product? Id like to see a clone of ids post cycle tabs with some reservatrol, dvth, and eurycoma longifolia that might be too much but something along those lines. We have all these hormones with no pct lol
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.... unless they can offer something truly innovative in this field (otc PCT) im not interested really in this... just not adequate IMO for most of even their existing line, M-drol and p-plex especially, hdrol and e stane are iffy, you could get away with an OTC but at what cost? your gains thats the least....

IMO I wouldnt mind seeing a high dosed Trione or formestane or staight 6-Bromo (oooooh yeah, not enough of this out to play with right now) as I love steroidal AI's for use on cycle and stand alone in between cycles and of course at lower doses through PCT... but have yet to see something that can replace a REQUIRED SERM.
 
my question is can CEL get a source to produce these new compounds? its not hard to make a clone because they synthesize the compounds on a regular. having a new compound made can cause problems. Does CEL have enough experience with this stuff or are they just buying regularly available powders and capping them? big difference.
 
poopypants said:
.... unless they can offer something truly innovative in this field (otc PCT) im not interested really in this... just not adequate IMO for most of even their existing line, M-drol and p-plex especially, hdrol and e stane are iffy, you could get away with an OTC but at what cost? your gains thats the least....

IMO I wouldnt mind seeing a high dosed Trione or formestane or staight 6-Bromo (oooooh yeah, not enough of this out to play with right now) as I love steroidal AI's for use on cycle and stand alone in between cycles and of course at lower doses through PCT... but have yet to see something that can replace a REQUIRED SERM.
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A high dosed Alpha Isomer Bromo product would be interesting to see for anabolic purposes.
 
poopypants said:
.... unless they can offer something truly innovative in this field (otc PCT) im not interested really in this... just not adequate IMO for most of even their existing line, M-drol and p-plex especially, hdrol and e stane are iffy, you could get away with an OTC but at what cost? your gains thats the least....

IMO I wouldnt mind seeing a high dosed Trione or formestane or staight 6-Bromo (oooooh yeah, not enough of this out to play with right now) as I love steroidal AI's for use on cycle and stand alone in between cycles and of course at lower doses through PCT... but have yet to see something that can replace a REQUIRED SERM.
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This is true but It would be nice to have something to compliment a serm for libido and faster recovery.
 
poopypants said:
.... unless they can offer something truly innovative in this field (otc PCT) im not interested really in this... just not adequate IMO for most of even their existing line, M-drol and p-plex especially, hdrol and e stane are iffy, you could get away with an OTC but at what cost? your gains thats the least....

IMO I wouldnt mind seeing a high dosed Trione or formestane or staight 6-Bromo (oooooh yeah, not enough of this out to play with right now) as I love steroidal AI's for use on cycle and stand alone in between cycles and of course at lower doses through PCT... but have yet to see something that can replace a REQUIRED SERM.
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I agree in regards to the SERM which are about as easy to obtain as PH/PS's (NO PM's!)

Resveratrol extract is a great cardio supplement and has many documented heart benefits. Though I've personally never seen a clinical study that showed it blocks estrogen to a high enough degree that it could be used as a lone PCT product. In fact I've only ever seen one study that showed it 'may' act as an estrogen antagonist and the study didn't say how potent it did so - and it was done using 20,000-30,000 mg per day. Thus far it seems like a nice addition to a PCT, or actually to run all the time from it's cholesterol benefits. I'd like to see more research on the subject of estrogen modulation though.
 
pistonpump said:
my question is can CEL get a source to produce these new compounds? its not hard to make a clone because they synthesize the compounds on a regular. having a new compound made can cause problems. Does CEL have enough experience with this stuff or are they just buying regularly available powders and capping them? big difference.
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We definitely have some very knowledgeable chem sources if needed for 'custom projects' - if the demand can justify it, depending on the product. I actually don't know of any companies that currently sell 'custom' hormones that they actually chemically make. As far as regular otc AAS and PS go, I know all are available in bulk. The last supplier who's list I seen sold almost every PH/PS that's currently being sold, including acetate ester versions of many.

It's funny when a new PH/PS hits the market and the company issues a huge multi-page write-up on how they created this amazingly innovative product. When in reality they're simply the 1st company to buy it in bulk from China, cap it, & then re-sale it :o
 
Ziquor said:
I agree in regards to the SERM which are about as easy to obtain as PH/PS's (NO PM's!)

Resveratrol extract is a great cardio supplement and has many documented heart benefits. Though I've personally never seen a clinical study that showed it blocks estrogen to a high enough degree that it could be used as a lone PCT product. In fact I've only ever seen one study that showed it 'may' act as an estrogen antagonist and the study didn't say how potent it did so - and it was done using 20,000-30,000 mg per day. Thus far it seems like a nice addition to a PCT, or actually to run all the time from it's cholesterol benefits. I'd like to see more research on the subject of estrogen modulation though.
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LMD posted a study a while back I thought (or just stated about a study) that res isnt really a true SERM. It will actually have a spectrum of effects depending on the region of the body and receptors it interacts with, some as an agonist, some nuetral and some as an antagonist. This seems useless to me as a pure PCT product ALTHOUGH I dont deny res's altogether great effects and anti ox effects it can have on the body and its myriad of uses.... a SERM replacement is not one of them IMO.... lemme see If I can find the post..
 
prld2gr8ns said:
For the sake of variety(and for those of us wanting to try a pure alpha bromo product) keep on looking.:)
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:goodpost: x2!!!

I loved hyperdrol and love playing with the other Steroidal AI's doses and in transdermal and oral forms... would love to see what 6-bromo offers at higher doses and in a TD.
 
sorry not a stud but LMD has probably read more about this compound and dug up more studies then anyone on the board with the release of our own product so take it FWIW, if you like I can see if hed care to comment or post up a study regarding this.... dunno if he will

LakeMountD said:
This is the most debated subject right now. Resveratrol alone is a phytoestrogen. Depending on the uM concentrations in plasma and depending on which cell types we are referring to it can be estrogenic or anti-estrogenic. In fact in some cell types it is considered a superagonist, where it binds much much stronger than estradiol, in other tissues its affinity for the estrogen receptor is equal to that of estradiol, and again in others it has antagonistic effects. With that being said there isn't really any studies that show whether or not this has any effect on the HPTA. I can't really figure out why people are using it for this purpose anyways considering there are such better options out there. It is like trying to use tylenol for controlling pain while having a tooth removed instead of novocaine (extreme example).

Not to mention the fact there are studies that show that it increases progesterone levels significantly in vitro. I am the first to say that in vitro isn't a good determining factor, but it is a start and it still shows that it has these properties.
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poopypants said:
sorry not a stud but LMD has probably read more about this compound and dug up more studies then anyone on the board with the release of our own product so take it FWIW, if you like I can see if hed care to comment or post up a study regarding this.... dunno if he will
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Interesting Poops :thumbsup:

I've seen some doctors comment on this with similar feelings on the subject. I read a while back that flax oil lignans have stronger binding affinity for certain receptors than Resveratrol. I'd like to see more on that as well.

But backpedaling to your previous post - I love Formestane, one of the best AI's IMO if not THE best for ON cycle. Especially considering it blocks DHT conversion too :head:
It's one of those rare compounds that makes you instantly feel great as well. Orally it's almost useless unless you dose at 1,000 mg per day plus - but dermally it's spectacular.
 
Ziquor said:
Interesting Poops :thumbsup:

I've seen some doctors comment on this with similar feelings on the subject.

But backpedaling to your previous post - I love Formestane, one of the best AI's IMO if not THE best for ON cycle. Especially considering it blocks DHT conversion too :head:
It's one of those rare compounds that makes you instantly feel great as well. Orally it's almost useless unless you dose at 1,000 mg per day plus - but dermally it's spectacular.
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true the same goes for Trione! I have taken 6-oxo in the past at double doses and didnt feel even close to what I felt on 100mg 3xed (half of rec orally) and that effect was immediate!

Havnt run form for some time now... not since my first SD run in 2005 and was using conservative doses at the time, Id like to have another run at it trans D (as I have a bunch of penetrate) but cant find bulk powder ANYWHERE.... hard enough to find the trione.

But the effects are not just better feeling but all around better! better pumps, better fat loss at site of use, better vascularity, transdermal applications I feel are just so much better the oral for so many reasons.
 
grila jujitsu said:
bump how are things looking?
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We are looking into trying to release several new phs over the next couple months, as well as 3 to 4 non ph products.

Not all of the ideas were taken from this thread, but its nice to see what people want and we are looking into sourcing possibilities of many of the things suggested in this thread - some of which are possible and some of which arent.
 
CompEdgeLabs said:
We are looking into trying to release several new phs over the next couple months, as well as 3 to 4 non ph products.

Not all of the ideas were taken from this thread, but its nice to see what people want and we are looking into sourcing possibilities of many of the things suggested in this thread - some of which are possible and some of which arent.
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Whoahhh!!! :head:
 
CompEdgeLabs;1574111[B said:
]We are looking into trying to release several new phs over the next couple months, as well as 3 to 4 non ph products.[/B]

Not all of the ideas were taken from this thread, but its nice to see what people want and we are looking into sourcing possibilities of many of the things suggested in this thread - some of which are possible and some of which arent.
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glad to hear it!

You guys are intelligent for listening to the people. a lot of companies forget to do that.

Thanks
GJJ
 
CompEdgeLabs said:
We are looking into trying to release several new phs over the next couple months, as well as 3 to 4 non ph products.

Not all of the ideas were taken from this thread, but its nice to see what people want and we are looking into sourcing possibilities of many of the things suggested in this thread - some of which are possible and some of which arent.
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Just make me hyuuuuuuuuuuuuuuge damnit :aargh:

will I still have to workout?:toofunny:
 
neoborn said:
Just make me hyuuuuuuuuuuuuuuge damnit :aargh:

will I still have to workout?:toofunny:
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That reminds me - just the other day I ran into one of my best friends which I haven't seen much since he got married. He's a very intelligent dude and has a great job. He's very skinny and never was into fitness or BB'ing. He asked me if there was something he could take that would make him bigger without working out, as he didn't have the time to :toofunny:
 
im crossing my fingers that you produce the bulk furazadrol powder! i want this so bad! then i could make trans-d's out of it!

Thanks
GJJ
 
Something new

I would prefer you make a really new PH (or a modified version of an actual PH), not one more clone.
 
well if ketotestosterone (11-oxo's cousin aka ICON) pans out to have a decent oral bio then that would be sweet to see... but Easy said he looked for it in bulk and it seemed to be expensive there too.... Maybe you guys can source it more cheaply???

Either way Im really excited to see what comes of this. Hopefully some good Transdermals of the ones we already love(could only imagine TD furaz would be SICK as prostan was insanely more potent in a TD formula) and maybe some new ones in any form if you guys are feeling cheeky.
 
poopypants said:
well if ketotestosterone (11-oxo's cousin aka ICON) pans out to have a decent oral bio then that would be sweet to see... but Easy said he looked for it in bulk and it seemed to be expensive there too.... Maybe you guys can source it more cheaply???

Either way Im really excited to see what comes of this. Hopefully some good Transdermals of the ones we already love(could only imagine TD furaz would be SICK as prostan was insanely more potent in a TD formula) and maybe some new ones in any form if you guys are feeling cheeky.
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I agree poop! trans-d's would be sick as foock!

-GJJ
 
Is there a timeline on upcoming products...I mean a definitive one...like days or weeks before something new comes out?
 
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