What products would you like to see us make?

Ziquor said:
I'd love to see something similar to M4OHN as well. Highly anabolic, yet somewhat milder. I wonder what alterations would manifest if there was an extra double bond added. Typically this increases anabolism even further. So instead of being a methyl 4-Hydroxylated Nandrolone it would be a methyl 4-Hydroxylated Dienolone.


4-Hydroxy-17aMethyl-Hydroxyestra-4,9-diene-3-one
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i'll add another vote for this one if it turns out to be feasible.
 
liquid said:
A transdermal of some short would be nice as well.
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I actually dumped a TON of prostan pills into some 4-AD transd I had and the results were AMAZING. It definately hardened me up a considerable amount... wish I woulda payed attention to the mg/ml amount I had created BUT in all honesty it wasnt even close to an oral dose for how much I put in but hte effects were there and then some.
 
Hmmm, wonder how a Furaz or Prostan bulk powder would sell, people could make their own dermals. This is a nice thought in regards to non-methyls to amp the absorption / effect. Dermally taking 100 mg would be like orally taking 300-400 mg roughly (using other older hormones as a basis for comparison).
 
Ziquor said:
Hmmm, wonder how a Furaz or Prostan bulk powder would sell, people could make their own dermals. This is a nice thought in regards to non-methyls to amp the absorption / effect. Dermally taking 100 mg would be like orally taking 300-400 mg roughly (using other older hormones as a basis for comparison).
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but the effects of hardening and vascularity (almost certian this brns fat) will be more localized as well.... My arms nck and chest were SICK with veins while I usually have to work up a good pump to get them showing.... I think that transD cant be just summed up as a % of a higher dose, the effects are altogether better IMO.
 
Ziquor said:
Hmmm, wonder how a Furaz or Prostan bulk powder would sell, people could make their own dermals. This is a nice thought in regards to non-methyls to amp the absorption / effect. Dermally taking 100 mg would be like orally taking 300-400 mg roughly (using other older hormones as a basis for comparison).
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I think it will sell nicely. If you can incorporate a sealed package deal, where one is oral and one is transdermal. By knocking off a few bucks compared to buying them seperately. "Pre made stacks".
Either way, I would like to see some more transdermal in the market.
 
Ziquor said:
Hmmm, wonder how a Furaz or Prostan bulk powder would sell, people could make their own dermals. This is a nice thought in regards to non-methyls to amp the absorption / effect. Dermally taking 100 mg would be like orally taking 300-400 mg roughly (using other older hormones as a basis for comparison).
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if u did this i would friggen love you!! no homo!
 
Ziquor said:
I'd love to see something similar to M4OHN as well. Highly anabolic, yet somewhat milder. I wonder what alterations would manifest if there was an extra double bond added. Typically this increases anabolism even further. So instead of being a methyl 4-Hydroxylated Nandrolone it would be a methyl 4-Hydroxylated Dienolone.


4-Hydroxy-17aMethyl-Hydroxyestra-4,9-diene-3-one
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I like that!

I think it would have a good Q-ratio. High anabolic and low androgenic, so low risk of androgenic-related sides (hairloss, acne,...) (Thats why I HATE too androgenic compounds), and being methyl, it has a good oral bioavailability.

It would be an interesting compound, effective, low androgenic and very low risk of sides, and i think the 4-hydroxy group inhibit 5a-reductase and aromatase.

BTW, what about 4-hydroxy-estra-4,9-diene-diol, (the "4-hydroxy-diol version" of the unmethyled PH Pro-Dienolone)?
 
JBerto said:
I like that!

I think it would have a good Q-ratio. High anabolic and low androgenic, so low risk of androgenic-related sides (hairloss, acne,...) (Thats why I HATE too androgenic compounds), and being methyl, it has a good oral bioavailability.

It would be an interesting compound, effective, low androgenic and very low risk of sides, and i think the 4-hydroxy group inhibit 5a-reductase and aromatase.

BTW, what about 4-hydroxy-estra-4,9-diene-diol, (the "4-hydroxy-diol version" of the unmethyled PH Pro-Dienolone)?
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Many good ideas in here!

It's hard to tell if 4-hydroxy-estra-4,9-diene-diol would share the same good oral bio-availability that nordienedione has, though it likely would.
 
I've found an interesting article of some time ago related to the hydroxyls. I believe that they never went out to the sale. Maybe already be time ;):

I spoke with Author at length last night and we have decided that we really want to have "Chemist X" focus his efforts for us on the C4, -OH modified compounds. You might remember such cool C4, -OH modifieds compounds like MOHN, OHN, Formestane, etc.?!?


Well, we're going to take this a step further. The hydroxyl at C4 makes otherwise aromatizable steroids unaromatizable (usually) and also gives the compound (usually) some inherent anti-aromatic qualities itself.


Author is having our 'friend in Chengdu' make small (a few grams) of the following goodies for us to play with -


4,17b-diydroxyestra-4,9,11-trien-3-one (did someone ask for 'trenbolone'?)


17a-methyl-4-hydroxy-4,9-dien-3-one (this one should be VERY cool)


17a-methyl-2-hydroxymethylene-4-hydroxy-5-androstan-3-one


4-hydroxy-1-methyl-5alpha-androst-1-en-3-one (probably as a 17b ester - think "legal Primobolan")


4-hydroxy-17a-methyl-2-oxa-5a-androstane-3-one (the Anavar variant)


and of course, what stack would be complete without dbol?: 4-hydroxy-17a-methyl-androsta-1,4-dien-3-one (no bloat, non-aromatizing)


Now we are 'alpha testing' these goodies in August and no, we don't need volunteers to 'assist us' (sorry guys, you will need to wait until we either beta test or we just launch the products).


I do want to know, and Author surely does too, which of these would be your TOP TWO choices since we can't launch them all, I discussed this with Author and he's going to set up a poll here so you guys can help us decide, what gets made and what gets the proverbial boot. Your input is important.


Now these will not be inexpensive, figure on the best price to you guys for this stuff is going to end up at $50 a bottle for like a months supply but they are all NOT ILLEGAL at this point and would really kick ass as "proto-steroids" for as long as we can sell them for.


We're also working on a few THP and undecanoate ester products for those of you who are "uninclined to use C-17a alkylated products" like most of the ones I just wrote about.


I am pretty sure the 4-OH trenbolone analog will end up being made as a THP ether in a gel cap (with oleic acid) at 25mg per pop (you'd need 2-4 per day). But hey, it is essentially oral, legal Parabolan so I mean, how cool is that?


We're also likely to do a 4-OH DHT 17b-THP ether too in a gel cap as a "low buck" non-methyl.
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I think Estra-4,9-diene-diol or 4-hydroxy-estra-4,9-diene-dione would be good products. The better would be 4-hydroxy-estra-4,9-diene-diol (methylated or unmethylated version), but it that cannot be produced for any reason (raws, price, etc...) then Estra-4,9-diol or 4-hydroxy-estra-4,9-dione (4-hydroxy inhibit aromatization of the diones) would be good options.

Anyway, all the compounds of that article seems to be good.
 
Ziquor said:
Hmmm, wonder how a Furaz or Prostan bulk powder would sell, people could make their own dermals. This is a nice thought in regards to non-methyls to amp the absorption / effect. Dermally taking 100 mg would be like orally taking 300-400 mg roughly (using other older hormones as a basis for comparison).
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when or if u produce this, how much bilk powder would there be?

Thanks
GJJ
 
mclucas said:
I think we all are looking for the same product from CEL:
- Great Muscle Mass Gains
- Easy on our livers
- No back pumps
- Very few side effects
- Reasonable Price

You make this and we'll all be devoted customers!
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IN! emphasis on reasonable price...unless it's something REALLY good
 
Speaking on new compounds, what about adding a cyclopentenyl ether to an existing unmethylated PH?

For example:
Estra-4,9-diene-cyclopentenyl
androsta-1,4-dien-3,17-dione-cyclopentenyl

The cyclopentenyl ether increases oral bioavailability, but it isn't hepatoxic. That improve the effects of that PH without rise the sides.

Another variant would be adding to any of that PH a methyl but not at 17a, maybe at 6a or 7a?

7a-methyl-4-hydroxy-estra-4,9-diene-diol ?
7a-methyl-4-chloro-estra-4,9-diene-diol ?

(4-chloro and 4-hydroxyl groups have many good features)
 
I just bought your E-Stane and a bottle of Cycle Assist. How about a nice post cycle support product next..You can call that product CEL Post Cycle Assist..Keep the awesome products coming..DaRooster
 
A Supreme state of the art libido and erection enhancer;

pregnenolone, dhea, pea, l-dopa, cinnamon, ginger, l-arginine, yohimbine, trans-resveratrol, piperine, epimedium, Gymnostemma, shilajit, saffron, velvet deer antler, vinpocentine, wolfberry, bombyx mori L, oyster extract, 7.8-benzoflavone, quercetine , l-citrulline.


thank you
please.
 
Imeniaan said:
A Supreme state of the art libido and erection enhancer;

pregnenolone, dhea, pea, l-dopa, cinnamon, ginger, l-arginine, yohimbine, trans-resveratrol, piperine, epimedium, Gymnostemma, shilajit, saffron, velvet deer antler, vinpocentine, wolfberry, bombyx mori L, oyster extract, 7.8-benzoflavone, quercetine , l-citrulline.


thank you
please.
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you forgot maca and icariin(pde5 inhibitor) :thumbsup:
 
pistonpump said:
post cycle product only makes sense.

that would get my first vote.
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I agree!

You guys could offer an all around package.. the hormones.. the on cycle suport, and the post cycle support!

I would go with some Icarrin, 6-OXO or 6-Br-ATD, Resversatrol.
 
how bout some results from this thread????


Any winners picked, sourced and in production yet? :D

or at least any that are seriously being resourced and contemplated
 
Rx Lift said:
I agree!

You guys could offer an all around package.. the hormones.. the on cycle suport, and the post cycle support!

I would go with some Icarrin, 6-OXO or 6-Br-ATD, Resversatrol.
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Would love to see a straight 3OHAT product available for PCT needs. This little hydroxylated 6OXO metabolite works wonders for libido enhancement and estrogen control.

Something along the lines of:

6, 17-keto-etiocholeve-3-ol tetrahydropyranol - 50mg/cap

60-90 cap bottles would be sweet(not to mention unique in the grand scheme of AI products on the market since it would be solo).

Also, a 3b-hydroxyetioallocholan-17-one(pure androsterone) product without the mixings would be interesting to try as well.
 
Id rather see LJ100 then trib.... proven at its test boosting @ just 100mg.. havnt seen a study on trib yet showing the exact doses or amount of test raised.
 
poopypants said:
Id rather see LJ100 then trib.... proven at its test boosting @ just 100mg.. havnt seen a study on trib yet showing the exact doses or amount of test raised.
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well generally i was going for herbal test booster/libido/shbg binding herbal mixture (maca,hgw,lj,avena,trib,fenu etc good concentrated extracts) along with l-histadine, 6bromo, and a cortisol control supp....maybe a little niacin in there as well for cholesterol recovery.
 
If finally CEL launches a new hormonal, I would like it be:

* Diol: of course, -diol its better than -dione (diols has higher conversion rate)

* 4-chloro or 4-hydroxy: both groups inhibits aromatization and 5a-reduction, so would be good the compound has one of those groups.

* 7a-methylated: Methylation improves bioavailability, but 17a-methyl its highly toxic. 7a-methyl has lower toxicity. Being 7a-methyl it would have high bioavailability, low toxicity, and would be easily stackable. Another ways to improving bioavailability but withount rise liver toxicity too much would be add a 6a-methyl or a Cyclopentenyl ether group (the cyclopentenyl ether increases oral bioavailability, but it isn't hepatoxic. That improve the effects of that PH without rise the sides).


Any new PH that have all those characteristics would be great (like 7a-methyl-4-hydroxy-estra-4,9-diene-3,17-diol, or any other with that 3 requisites).


Another interesting modification would be add a 7a,11b-dimethyl group, like in dimethandrolone(7a,11b-dimethyl-19-nortestosterone). the 7a,11b-dimethyl prevents aromatization (11b) and 5a-reductase (7a)
 
poopypants said:
how bout some results from this thread????


Any winners picked, sourced and in production yet? :D

or at least any that are seriously being resourced and contemplated
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We are looking into alot of the ideas from this thread and seeing if we can source them. China was pretty much shut down the month of august so things are just starting to get back to normal now.

So, the ideas are being taken seriously, and you will see some done. However, we arent much on releasing things we are doing before being available.
 
CompEdgeLabs said:
We are looking into alot of the ideas from this thread and seeing if we can source them. China was pretty much shut down the month of august so things are just starting to get back to normal now.

So, the ideas are being taken seriously, and you will see some done. However, we arent much on releasing things we are doing before being available.
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sick! i like the fact that you guys dont tease people. that stuff annoys the hell out of me!
 
CompEdgeLabs said:
We are looking into alot of the ideas from this thread and seeing if we can source them. China was pretty much shut down the month of august so things are just starting to get back to normal now.

So, the ideas are being taken seriously, and you will see some done. However, we arent much on releasing things we are doing before being available.
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sounds good!

Cant wait to see what comes of this.:dance:
 
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