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WHAT IS MORE ANDROGENIC BETWEEN TRENBOLONE AND DHT(proviron,masteron,etc)

On paper the DHT stuff but honestly I would bet in real life scenario testosterone and dbol would be better at it, may I ask why?
 
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Smont said:
On paper the DHT stuff but honestly I would bet in real life scenario testosterone and dbol would be better at it, may I ask why?
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Because I have not very masculine traits and I will soon be entering trt so I wanted to know which compounds would be useful for me.
 
xXBlackIdroXx said:
Because I have not very masculine traits and I will soon be entering trt so I wanted to know which compounds would be useful for me.
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In that scenario I would probably add some masteron to your trt once your trt has been successfully dialed in for a few months, no need for tren, that's probably going to cause more harm then good
 
Virilization is the least of your concerns.

Psychological should be. Tren causes depression,anxiety, paranoia and even rage in many of it's users. During and after use.

It's one of the strongest anabolics that effects brain chemicals. It can mess you up worse then anything in the game.

I say this being an absolute advocate of AAS. But let's be truthful. Tren, dnp, slin ...can F you up

I've used tren no less then 20* and I'd never dare use it again.
 
When we are talking about "virilization", what is that? Body hair growth? Voice deepening? Muscle building? Penis growth? Sex drive?
 
xXBlackIdroXx said:
Body hair growth, face appareance (jaw,chin,cheekbones), voice, libido...
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I think a lot of this is going to depend on your age. Some of these may be attainable but other changes are probably unattainable after a certain age (like facial and jaw development).
 
Lumalux said:
I think a lot of this is going to depend on your age. Some of these may be attainable but other changes are probably unattainable after a certain age (like facial and jaw development).
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I am 20 years old, I've read that steroids cause jaw/chin growth up to 25 years old.
 
xXBlackIdroXx said:
I am 20 years old, I've read that steroids cause jaw/chin growth up to 25 years old.
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I believe there's something called masculinizing hormone therapy or masculinization therapy. Something along those lines. Try looking into that maybe. I'm assuming it talks about what's used to bring on the traits your looking for
 
CasperKValentine said:
Why worry about it, I thought the Justin Bieber look was in? Just kidding. Sounds like you've received some good advice above.
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To be honest your correct to some degree, i have teenagers and nieces and nephews around that age. All the popular boys look like girls, I see a lot of teenage girls walking around with there boyfriends that look like females. If your a teenage boy that's athletic and manly looking your only popular among other teenage boys and girls that want to be boys, it's very confusing to me lol
 
Smont said:
To be honest your correct to some degree, i have teenagers and nieces and nephews around that age. All the popular boys look like girls, I see a lot of teenage girls walking around with there boyfriends that look like females. If your a teenage boy that's athletic and manly looking your only popular among other teenage boys and girls that want to be boys, it's very confusing to me lol
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And nowadays, you can't even tell gender by appearances. No more binary genders. How is anyone supposed to find a date anymore without offending someone?
 
you can totally develop your jaw, but you should also look up Dr mew and do mewing exercises. I guess it's technically more for dental issues but it involves making sure to do chewing work.
 
Kronic said:
you can totally develop your jaw, but you should also look up Dr mew and do mewing exercises. I guess it's technically more for dental issues but it involves making sure to do chewing work.
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Not even joking, just about anyone who's ran a decent dose cycle while bulking has probably experienced the little muscles in there face get bigger from excessive chewing
 
Kronic said:
you can totally develop your jaw, but you should also look up Dr mew and do mewing exercises. I guess it's technically more for dental issues but it involves making sure to do chewing work.
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So a use of steroids and mewing make my jaw and chin growth?
 
I’m older and lots of the info in my head is from the 90’s and early 2000’s when I was heavy into AAS….. But if I’m not mistaken, methyl-1 and Halo are both known to cause the whole jaw line growth thing right?

I would think that GH would do more for facial structure than most AAS.
 
klbsa said:
I’m older and lots of the info in my head is from the 90’s and early 2000’s when I was heavy into AAS….. But if I’m not mistaken, methyl-1 and Halo are both known to cause the whole jaw line growth thing right?

I would think that GH would do more for facial structure than most AAS.
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To use gh to make your bones grow you need to basically give yourself acromegaly. Yes regular use can result in certain things growing but you have no control over what's growing. So you maybe looking to grow your chin larger and end up with your feet growing 2 sizes.

I don't think any steroids are going to grow your facial bones, but all steroids build muscle and your face has over 40 or 50 individual muscles that are all capable of growing
 
Smont said:
To use gh to make your bones grow you need to basically give yourself acromegaly. Yes regular use can result in certain things growing but you have no control over what's growing. So you maybe looking to grow your chin larger and end up with your feet growing 2 sizes.

I don't think any steroids are going to grow your facial bones, but all steroids build muscle and your face has over 40 or 50 individual muscles that are all capable of growing
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so high androgens don't increase facial bone mass? Only hgh can do it?
 
xXBlackIdroXx said:
so high androgens don't increase facial bone mass? Only hgh can do it?
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Some may help with bone density and strength, but they won’t restructure your bones, if that’s what you want. But the muscle building effect can absolutely increase the size of jaw muscles, so that can give you a more pronounced jawline if that’s something you’re looking for.
 
xXBlackIdroXx said:
so high androgens don't increase facial bone mass? Only hgh can do it?
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That's what I believe you be true, all you need to do is look at pro bodybuilders, many of them have a larger head and more masculine structure while there competing but after they retire and come off gear there head goes back to normal, if the bones had grown then the changes in the structure of there face would be permanent. But seeing how it's not permanent it has to be the muscles in there face.

Get what I'm saying.

If anyone watches vigorous steve they would have seen this recently. About a year ago or less he had to come off gear and his whole facial structure shrank and then when he went back on gear it changed back.
 
Smont said:
That's what I believe you be true, all you need to do is look at pro bodybuilders, many of them have a larger head and more masculine structure while there competing but after they retire and come off gear there head goes back to normal, if the bones had grown then the changes in the structure of there face would be permanent. But seeing how it's not permanent it has to be the muscles in there face.

Get what I'm saying.

If anyone watches vigorous steve they would have seen this recently. About a year ago or less he had to come off gear and his whole facial structure shrank and then when he went back on gear it changed back.
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Yeah the facial changes can be quite dramatic just going on/off cycle. It’s not permanent but HGH certainly will cause permanent growth, however as stated here it might end up growing your head to a point and massive feet rather than your jaw.
Also if you have a predisposition for the big C, HGH will only guarantee & hasten its growth and subsequent takeover of your body.

main reason I will never touch it, not worth the risk imho

edit: love vigorous Steve that guy never stops
 
Smont said:
To be honest your correct to some degree, i have teenagers and nieces and nephews around that age. All the popular boys look like girls, I see a lot of teenage girls walking around with there boyfriends that look like females. If your a teenage boy that's athletic and manly looking your only popular among other teenage boys and girls that want to be boys, it's very confusing to me lol
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yea,, all the teenage girls are crazy about the guys w the broccoli haircut or broccoli mullet mixture haircut.lol
 
Tren with a DHT like Proviron or Mast together has an incredible synergy which when combined is even more potent than either by themselves.
 
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