What fat burners for fasted cardio are similar to this "CLEN-XT50" prop blend?

[AwakeningAlpha]

I got duped years ago into buying some supps from a company called Vintage Muscle. Most of their stuff was garbage named after real gear. Couple months ago I found their fat burner product CLEN-XT50 in the back of my supplement cabinet when I ran out of my caffeine pill I like to use before fasted cardio in the morning- and decided to try it. Surprisingly it was perfect! Great energy, a little sweat/heat, no anxiety, instantly uplifted my mood and really worked to help burn fat over the course of using it. The weird thing is I have tried many other fat burners with similar ingredients (Yohimbine [usually hate it], Caffeine, PE HCL etc) but they always make me feel stomach issues or anxious. Perhaps it is very low dose but still effective ... placebo... or its the blend, maybe the L- Tyrosine stacked w the stims.
I'm stumped.

I am about to run out of the bottle, and frankly I dont want to buy another from them- but I would love to replace or replicate it. Of course the product is a F*K!N prop blend but here are the ingredients:

• Caffeine
• Phenylethlamine HCL
• Glucomannan Fursultiamine (?)
• L-Tyrosine
• EGCG
• Raspberry Ketones
• Yohimbe Bark
• Kola Nut
• L-Carnitine

Can you guys figure out / guess what ingredients I am liking? What doses? The forms? Are there any similar products you guys have found useful for fasted cardio?

Thank you!

 

[Robplumm]

In those doses... probably mostly the caffeine and yohimbe.

Even as a prop blend most of the dosing would be horrendously low. Carn alone should be in grams, not a handful of mg as a prop blend of something else.

 

[Shadowblaze]

I got duped years ago into buying some supps from a company called Vintage Muscle. Most of their stuff was garbage named after real gear. Couple months ago I found their fat burner product CLEN-XT50 in the back of my supplement cabinet when I ran out of my caffeine pill I like to use before fasted cardio in the morning- and decided to try it. Surprisingly it was perfect! Great energy, a little sweat/heat, no anxiety, instantly uplifted my mood and really worked to help burn fat over the course of using it. The weird thing is I have tried many other fat burners with similar ingredients (Yohimbine [usually hate it], Caffeine, PE HCL etc) but they always make me feel stomach issues or anxious. Perhaps it is very low dose but still effective ... placebo... or its the blend, maybe the L- Tyrosine stacked w the stims.
I'm stumped.

I am about to run out of the bottle, and frankly I dont want to buy another from them- but I would love to replace or replicate it. Of course the product is a F*K!N prop blend but here are the ingredients:

• Caffeine
• Phenylethlamine HCL
• Glucomannan Fursultiamine (?)
• L-Tyrosine
• EGCG
• Raspberry Ketones
• Yohimbe Bark
• Kola Nut
• L-Carnitine

Can you guys figure out / guess what ingredients I am liking? What doses? The forms? Are there any similar products you guys have found useful for fasted cardio?

Thank you!

Is vintage muscle reliable in terms of the dosing being accurate and overall quality? Some of their products look great, I’ve been thinking about buying some of it for a while.

 

[AwakeningAlpha]

Is vintage muscle reliable in terms of the dosing being accurate and overall quality? Some of their products look great, I’ve been thinking about buying some of it for a while.

A few things bother me about them. The prop blends, prices and the "real" names. I also felt the dosing was not reliable as far as effectiveness. Namely the test support product which they used to advertise as a PCT.
Again, this was probably 5-10 years ago, so most of their products have changed (lots used to be topical). If you want to try their Laxogenin or DHEA or 19 nors, go for it IMO the size is small and there are better sources out there.
What were you considering?

 

[AwakeningAlpha]

In those doses... probably mostly the caffeine and yohimbe.

Even as a prop blend most of the dosing would be horrendously low. Carn alone should be in grams, not a handful of mg as a prop blend of something else.

Thank you! I agree. I wish I knew what the other stims and yohimbe was dosed at cuz thats my sweet spot. I dont need to be super cranked for a fasted 3 mile walk. I use inj L-carn so I am not really concerned about that.

Know what Glucomannan Fursultiamine is or why it would be listed under 'Energy & Focus Blend'?

 

[Robplumm]

Thank you! I agree. I wish I knew what the other stims and yohimbe was dosed at cuz thats my sweet spot. I dont need to be super cranked for a fasted 3 mile walk. I use inj L-carn so I am not really concerned about that.

Know what Glucomannan Fursultiamine is or why it would be listed under 'Energy & Focus Blend'?

Weird placement for what i could find on it. The Fursultiamine is a thiamine derivative. Glucomannan is fiber. Not sure how that works together. Fat soluble B1 and fiber is.... interesting? Maybe someone else can speak to it.

Best I could find on caffeine in it is around 200mg. Which would make somewhat of sense. The yohimbe you'd have to experiment with. I'd suggest alpha yohimbine instead. Start low (2-3mg) work up from there. Think sns sells some 2mg ones just for that purpose. It's great for fasted walks to burn fat...

 

[sns8778]

That's an odd one because nothing about that product makes sense - the dosages or where some of the ingredients were placed and everything looks underdosed.

Like they have Phenethylamine HCI as the second ingredient behind caffeine - that is the ingredient we have in our PEA-500 Xtreme product and 1 capsule of PEA-500 Xtreme has more of that 1 ingredient than that products has mg. total of all ingredients combined.

If you're looking for a legit product similar in concept but dosed correctly, the newest version of Thermagize XT would be a good choice. Here is a link to the thread here that has some feedback, and we had given out samples to people that normally didn't do well with high stims or certain types of stims to see how they responded and you can see their feedback in the thread:

Link: https://anabolicminds.com/community...at-loss-energy-focus-appetite-control.337638/

 

[AwakeningAlpha]

Weird placement for what i could find on it. The Fursultiamine is a thiamine derivative. Glucomannan is fiber. Not sure how that works together. Fat soluble B1 and fiber is.... interesting? Maybe someone else can speak to it.

Best I could find on caffeine in it is around 200mg. Which would make somewhat of sense. The yohimbe you'd have to experiment with. I'd suggest alpha yohimbine instead. Start low (2-3mg) work up from there. Think sns sells some 2mg ones just for that purpose. It's great for fasted walks to burn fat...

Great advice. Thanks Man!

 

[gphagan1]

I got duped years ago into buying some supps from a company called Vintage Muscle. Most of their stuff was garbage named after real gear. Couple months ago I found their fat burner product CLEN-XT50 in the back of my supplement cabinet when I ran out of my caffeine pill I like to use before fasted cardio in the morning- and decided to try it. Surprisingly it was perfect! Great energy, a little sweat/heat, no anxiety, instantly uplifted my mood and really worked to help burn fat over the course of using it. The weird thing is I have tried many other fat burners with similar ingredients (Yohimbine [usually hate it], Caffeine, PE HCL etc) but they always make me feel stomach issues or anxious. Perhaps it is very low dose but still effective ... placebo... or its the blend, maybe the L- Tyrosine stacked w the stims.
I'm stumped.

I am about to run out of the bottle, and frankly I dont want to buy another from them- but I would love to replace or replicate it. Of course the product is a F*K!N prop blend but here are the ingredients:

• Caffeine
• Phenylethlamine HCL
• Glucomannan Fursultiamine (?)
• L-Tyrosine
• EGCG
• Raspberry Ketones
• Yohimbe Bark
• Kola Nut
• L-Carnitine

Can you guys figure out / guess what ingredients I am liking? What doses? The forms? Are there any similar products you guys have found useful for fasted cardio?

Thank you!

I’m one of those that just doesn’t like Yohimbe, but I told a buddy of mine at work about SNS products a few months ago, and he started a cut about 45 days ago and is running this stack…..

He loves it and has clearly dropped some lbs. I haven’t personally taken those, but I’m taking and have taken a bunch of Steve’s products from all his companies, and you can’t go wrong with any of his products, and this dude has definitely reduced his body fat % with that stack.

 

[LeanEngineer]

have taken a bunch of Steve’s products from all his companies, and you can’t go wrong with any of his product

Same here! All are top notch high quality for a decent price!