According to your goals I would stack it with transdermal 1,4 andro. You may get a little or no water retention with this, but it will definately give you some lean mass gains and help lean you out and give you some decent strength gains. If you do use this you will need to take it for atleast six weeks to get the most out of it. Make sure you take at least 300 mg a day transdermally, any less you might not see much of anything in the way of results.