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What Body Fat % am I???

I don’t know why the picture of me showed up in that post again but whatever. Focus on the top picture.
 
I used to take people's BF readings- You are easily 25%. It doesn't matter anyhow, gain some more LBM and you will drop it quicker.
 
Hahaha damn dude that hurts. I’m just kidding. All I ask for is honesty so I appreciate it. I’m thinking that’s the right direction to go. I’ll probably try to slowly put on somewhere around 10-15 lbs. I don’t want to get to crazy with it and just add a lot more fat.
 
YoungThor said:
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I just did this right now. I like a good challenge. As you can see I’m quite a bit above 6 but I haven’t trained consistently for speed in a half a year. But this should give you an idea of how fast I can run when I run for time on a weekly basis. Also, in my opinion you have to shave around 10 seconds off when you use a machine like this because it takes the treadmill some time to get up to the speed you want to start out at and that whole time the seconds are ticking away. Last thing I want to mention is that I looked up how fast I’d have to run ahead of time and supposedly you have to run an average of 8.4 mph in order to run a six minute mile. So I decided to never go under 8.4 mph and to go as high as 10 mph. My average was probably about 8.9 mph. Anyway, this confused me because I thought my results would be below six minutes by doing this. I’m still satisfied with the time after not running like this in a while though.
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More power to you, though, running on a treadmill is easier, no wind resistance, less leg work.
 
Rockzilla said:
More power to you, though, running on a treadmill is easier, no wind resistance, less leg work.
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Yeah back when i hit my sub-6 minute miles it was always outdoors. Treadmill is way easier lol. Not only is there no wind resistance but theres no uphill/downhill and the treadmill regulates your speed and keeps you going steady. Running outside you have to mentally do that so as not to gas out too quick which is important when running 10+ miles. Fastest i ever ran it was 5:45. Fastest 5k for me was just under 21:00. Cant remember exactly. It would take quite alot of work for me to get back there though lol. Im carrying an extra 35 pounds of muscle compared to then and i havent ran for cardio in a couple years really.
 
mikeymike85 said:
I used to take people's BF readings- You are easily 25%. It doesn't matter anyhow, gain some more LBM and you will drop it quicker.
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Yeah i was wondering where the 14-15% guesses were coming from lol. I wasnt gonna say anything though. Im not saying your fat though YoungThor. Im still sticking by what i said though. Go lean bulk mode gain as much muscle as possible over the next couple months then hit a cutting cycle to preserve muscle.
 
christ83189 Rockzilla

Of course it’s harder outside. If I were gonna do it outside I’d do it on a track. I’ve gotten good times doing that. Now if you throw hills and bad weather at me, yeah that’ll make me much slower. Plus, I live in philly and the air quality sucks here. You’re basically equal to smoking half a pack of cigs a day just by breathing the sh!tty polluted oxygen in this city haha. But it makes you stronger!

I know I’m not fat and I’m not offended by the 25% bf estimate. That could be spot on. But I’m still fitting in a 34 inch waist pants and I got some wiggle room and usually have to wear a belt. To me that’s not bad. I think that’s another decent way to measure progress. When I get back down to 32 inches I’ll be happy. That’s what I was before I started working out and stuffing my face with pounds of steak.
 
christ83189 said:
Yeah i was wondering where the 14-15% guesses were coming from lol. I wasnt gonna say anything though. Im not saying your fat though YoungThor. Im still sticking by what i said though. Go lean bulk mode gain as much muscle as possible over the next couple months then hit a cutting cycle to preserve muscle.
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He is not fat whatsoever -- just looks like there is not enough LBM or he is not lifting heavy enough.
 
THOR 70 said:
“You’re not fat, you just don’t have any muscle”

-mikeymike85

Lol
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LMAO!! I didn't mean it like that-- I should have stated muscle looks flat, reminds me of someone on Keto that doesn't lift heavy enough and does a lot of cardio.
 
mikeymike85 said:
LMAO!! I didn't mean it like that-- I should have stated muscle looks flat, reminds me of someone on Keto that doesn't lift heavy enough and does a lot of cardio.
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You’re pretty on point here. I’ve wasted a lot of time doing too much running and calisthenics, then eating like a power lifter. That’s a bad combo. I need to focus more on heavy compound movements if I want to build some bulky muscles and less on endurance things. I’ve also been eating way less carbs for the last few months. A lot of my meals are straight up carnivore so the keto comment is pretty accurate. Maybe I should start increasing those carbs again. I need to come up with a solid outline of what I want to achieve out of strength training
and stick to it.
 
YoungThor said:
You’re pretty on point here. I’ve wasted a lot of time doing too much running and calisthenics, then eating like a power lifter. That’s a bad combo. I need to focus more on heavy compound movements if I want to build some bulky muscles and less on endurance things. I’ve also been eating way less carbs for the last few months. A lot of my meals are straight up carnivore so the keto comment is pretty accurate. Maybe I should start increasing those carbs again. I need to come up with a solid outline of what I want to achieve out of strength training
and stick to it.
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IMO keto will allow you to maintain muscle
But it you want to build, insulin(carbs) is king
 
THOR 70 said:
IMO keto will allow you to maintain muscle
But it you want to build, insulin(carbs) is king
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Man, it’s confusing with the amount of conflicting information out there. I’m going to start eating a more traditional bodybuilding type diet where carbs and protein are seen as near equal. I’ve consumed a lot of keto and carnivore propaganda this year, and many of the claims are true, but I believed you’re right; you need a good amount of carbs when you’re trying to gain muscle.
 
YoungThor said:
Man, it’s confusing with the amount of conflicting information out there. I’m going to start eating a more traditional bodybuilding type diet where carbs and protein are seen as near equal. I’ve consumed a lot of keto and carnivore propaganda this year, and many of the claims are true, but I believed you’re right; you need a good amount of carbs when you’re trying to gain muscle.
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Yeah it is tough. Keto can melt fat once adapted and is great from overall health/anti aging/endurance, but insulin is the most anabolic hormone so in my mind that makes it important when building muscle. I might be oversimplifying it tho
 
YoungThor said:
Man, it’s confusing with the amount of conflicting information out there. I’m going to start eating a more traditional bodybuilding type diet where carbs and protein are seen as near equal. I’ve consumed a lot of keto and carnivore propaganda this year, and many of the claims are true, but I believed you’re right; you need a good amount of carbs when you’re trying to gain muscle.
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It’s all about the deficit. I’m actually eating balanced macros right now B, L, and D. I am also not taking a fat burner and my appetite control has never been better. It’s almost making me realize how badly stims stimulate my appetite.
 
Rockzilla said:
It’s all about the deficit. I’m actually eating balanced macros right now B, L, and D. I am also not taking a fat burner and my appetite control has never been better. It’s almost making me realize how badly stims stimulate my appetite.
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Stims have never suppressed my appetite. They make me freaking ravenous. And yeah YoungThor if you want to build good sized muscle you gotta do lots of compound movements. Heavier the better. Theres lots of conflicting info on this as well. But its whats worked for me calisthenics and endurance training lean you out but youre not gonna get big doing em. You ever seen someone into calisthenics thats huge? Theyre lean and can look kinda big because of how lean they are but the ones that look like that are doing it hours a day and prob on gear anyways. You wanna get big you gotta lift big and eat big. And as far as endurance training if you want to look malnourished good for you lol
 
christ83189 said:
Stims have never suppressed my appetite. They make me freaking ravenous. And yeah YoungThor if you want to build good sized muscle you gotta do lots of compound movements. Heavier the better. Theres lots of conflicting info on this as well. But its whats worked for me calisthenics and endurance training lean you out but youre not gonna get big doing em. You ever seen someone into calisthenics thats huge? Theyre lean and can look kinda big because of how lean they are but the ones that look like that are doing it hours a day and prob on gear anyways. You wanna get big you gotta lift big and eat big. And as far as endurance training if you want to look malnourished good for you lol
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Everyone responds differently. I'm moving away from heavy compound movements, besides weighted pull ups and weighted dips.
Lately making good progress doing once a month a "heavy azz week" , the other weeks moderate weights and volume, mostly isolation and using TUT.
 
hairygrandpa said:
Everyone responds differently. I'm moving away from heavy compound movements, besides weighted pull ups and weighted dips.
Lately making good progress doing once a month a "heavy azz week" , the other weeks moderate weights and volume, mostly isolation and using TUT.
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Yeah that stuff works too. But starting out i think its best to build your base on compound movements and get good at this stuff. Once you have a good base and you plateau move on to that stuff and you can break your plateau. For me the compound movements are king and that other stuff is just for accessories. But thats just me :)
 
christ83189 said:
Yeah that stuff works too. But starting out i think its best to build your base on compound movements and get good at this stuff. Once you have a good base and you plateau move on to that stuff and you can break your plateau. For me the compound movements are king and that other stuff is just for accessories. But thats just me :)
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Agreed, at the beginning gaining strength and working out multiple muscles, with compound moves, is a sound approach.
 
christ83189 said:
Yeah that stuff works too. But starting out i think its best to build your base on compound movements and get good at this stuff. Once you have a good base and you plateau move on to that stuff and you can break your plateau. For me the compound movements are king and that other stuff is just for accessories. But thats just me :)
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I didn’t focus on compounds when I started lifting and I think I’m in a great place. I would do them but to completely tune my workouts to them? Naw.
 
The eating aspect of this bulk won’t be an issue. I’m hungry constantly and I can really throw down a lot of grub. I’m actually an ectomorph, if you believe in those categories. I was always 155-160 lbs through high school and into my early 20s (and I’m 6’1). I was an all league basketball player and could run up and down the court all day, but stamina was all we worked on. Our team’s strength training was a joke. Then I went through a phase for a few years were I was making bad choices that were destroying my health, I only weighed 150 lbs, and I finally decided to get myself in order, started eating healthy and working out, ballooned all the way up to 200 because I overdid the eating and wanted to get there way to fast. I spent about a year working out at home doing mostly calisthenics and fighter-type workouts (I love boxing). The next year I started going to the gym but my workouts were predominantly isolation movements, and the compound movements I’d do were with dumbbells. This year I added some of the powerlifts but consistentcy hasn’t been there for me because of an injury. Now I’m finally healthy enough to pretty much do any type of lift again.

Well that was a little bit of my back story, but there is a question at the end of this. If I start making heavy compound movements my main focus when pursuing a more bulky looking musculature, should I stick to the medium to high rep range like a bodybuilder (let’s say 8-15 reps), or should I go close to my heaviest most the time like a power lifter (so more like 1-5 reps)? Obviously doing both is an option but there’s only so much time in a week, so which one should be my focus?

Thanks for any input. I’m glad I made this thread, it’s been productive.
 
YoungThor said:
The eating aspect of this bulk won’t be an issue. I’m hungry constantly and I can really throw down a lot of grub. I’m actually an ectomorph, if you believe in those categories. I was always 155-160 lbs through high school and into my early 20s (and I’m 6’1). I was an all league basketball player and could run up and down the court all day, but stamina was all we worked on. Our team’s strength training was a joke. Then I went through a phase for a few years were I was making bad choices that were destroying my health, I only weighed 150 lbs, and I finally decided to get myself in order, started eating healthy and working out, ballooned all the way up to 200 because I overdid the eating and wanted to get there way to fast. I spent about a year working out at home doing mostly calisthenics and fighter-type workouts (I love boxing). The next year I started going to the gym but my workouts were predominantly isolation movements, and the compound movements I’d do were with dumbbells. This year I added some of the powerlifts but consistentcy hasn’t been there for me because of an injury. Now I’m finally healthy enough to pretty much do any type of lift again.

Well that was a little bit of my back story, but there is a question at the end of this. If I start making heavy compound movements my main focus when pursuing a more bulky looking musculature, should I stick to the medium to high rep range like a bodybuilder (let’s say 8-15 reps), or should I go close to my heaviest most the time like a power lifter (so more like 1-5 reps)? Obviously doing both is an option but there’s only so much time in a week, so which one should be my focus?

Thanks for any input. I’m glad I made this thread, it’s been productive.
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I would mix it up. 1 week work on higher reps, following week go lower reps. Mix it up and keep those muscles guessing.
 
YoungThor said:
The eating aspect of this bulk won’t be an issue. I’m hungry constantly and I can really throw down a lot of grub. I’m actually an ectomorph, if you believe in those categories. I was always 155-160 lbs through high school and into my early 20s (and I’m 6’1). I was an all league basketball player and could run up and down the court all day, but stamina was all we worked on. Our team’s strength training was a joke. Then I went through a phase for a few years were I was making bad choices that were destroying my health, I only weighed 150 lbs, and I finally decided to get myself in order, started eating healthy and working out, ballooned all the way up to 200 because I overdid the eating and wanted to get there way to fast. I spent about a year working out at home doing mostly calisthenics and fighter-type workouts (I love boxing). The next year I started going to the gym but my workouts were predominantly isolation movements, and the compound movements I’d do were with dumbbells. This year I added some of the powerlifts but consistentcy hasn’t been there for me because of an injury. Now I’m finally healthy enough to pretty much do any type of lift again.

Well that was a little bit of my back story, but there is a question at the end of this. If I start making heavy compound movements my main focus when pursuing a more bulky looking musculature, should I stick to the medium to high rep range like a bodybuilder (let’s say 8-15 reps), or should I go close to my heaviest most the time like a power lifter (so more like 1-5 reps)? Obviously doing both is an option but there’s only so much time in a week, so which one should be my focus?

Thanks for any input. I’m glad I made this thread, it’s been productive.
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IMHO, it doesn't matter. Both approaches lead to strength and hypertrophy. Maybe, considering your love for boxing, you should go the higher volume - less weight route, to keep mobility -and speed.
 
I've tried this road you are on man. Keto and cardio mixed with high rep, low weight resistance workout does not work, for me at least. Carbs are not bad, I cant stand when people chastise it. I guarantee if you start eating clean carbs [100-150g] and then start lifting very heavy... you will look bigger. LBM at 20% BF looks bigger than flat muscle at 15% BF. Just sayin. I dont overdue it on carbs, but I dont ccut them out totally.
 
I just tried to go heavy on the bench and felt like I was gonna f*ck up my shoulder again. I should’ve known I’m not ready for it. Eating in a big surplus should help me recover faster though. It’s been 4 months since I injured it and I’m still only doing my shoulder isolation exercises at 50-75% of the weight I used to use. So for now I’ll have to stick with medium to light weight.
mikeymike85 - I was probably quite a bit under 150g of carbs on most days for the last couple months. I was getting a lot of my carbs from fruit. I’m getting out of that “carbs are bad” mindset now. I’ll probably add 5 lbs in the first week just from holding more water and muscle glycogen.
 
I dont preach using gear, but if you know what you're doing, I think dmz would help you out too.... calorie deficit on dmz should change your physique substantially
 
mikeymike85 said:
I dont preach using gear, but if you know what you're doing, I think dmz would help you out too.... calorie deficit on dmz should change your physique substantially
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I’ll be natty for a while now but I have heard DMZ is super powerful. Some people say it increases anxiety and panic though which worries me. I was thinking about tbol when I run my next cycle. I’ll do some research on DMZ in the mean time.
 
YoungThor said:
I just tried to go heavy on the bench and felt like I was gonna f*ck up my shoulder again. I should’ve known I’m not ready for it. Eating in a big surplus should help me recover faster though. It’s been 4 months since I injured it and I’m still only doing my shoulder isolation exercises at 50-75% of the weight I used to use. So for now I’ll have to stick with medium to light weight.
mikeymike85 - I was probably quite a bit under 150g of carbs on most days for the last couple months. I was getting a lot of my carbs from fruit. I’m getting out of that “carbs are bad” mindset now. I’ll probably add 5 lbs in the first week just from holding more water and muscle glycogen.
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I had shoulder issues too.
Instead of bench, I do elevated push ups with handles, switching from regular tempo to 4:1:1 (4 seconds lowering). After 1 year of doing that and DB hex presses, I tried if I could BB bench. Guess what... I did 11 reps with 225lbs and a few reps with 265lbs. Meaning: Elevated push ups are a valid substitute for bench press. Cant complain about an underdeveloped chest either.
 
YoungThor said:
I’ll be natty for a while now but I have heard DMZ is super powerful. Some people say it increases anxiety and panic though which worries me. I was thinking about tbol when I run my next cycle. I’ll do some research on DMZ in the mean time.
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Dmz is great. Its the best ive taken so far for changing body comp. I could eat like a horse and get leaner. Loved it
 
hairygrandpa said:
I had shoulder issues too.
Instead of bench, I do elevated push ups with handles, switching from regular tempo to 4:1:1 (4 seconds lowering). After 1 year of doing that and DB hex presses, I tried if I could BB bench. Guess what... I did 11 reps with 225lbs and a few reps with 265lbs. Meaning: Elevated push ups are a valid substitute for bench press. Cant complain about an underdeveloped chest either.
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This is solid advice. I used to be a push-up addict and would switch up variations but I predominately stuck to standard push-ups. I was a little obsessed with the rep number but that’s not what it’s all about. I like the elevated push-up with pausing idea. The way I used to do them only built muscle endurance rather than bulk. Somehow doing 500 push-ups a day built a super impressive chest for Mike Tyson though. But he was a freak of nature.
 
christ83189 said:
Dmz is great. Its the best ive taken so far for changing body comp. I could eat like a horse and get leaner. Loved it
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I remember your DMZ transformation pics from when you were coming out of an unhealthy phase and the results were impressive. You’re one of the few guys on here who runs it 8 weeks too which is encouraging. So many guys run these super short cycles with it, like 3-5 weeks. It made me uninterested in the compound because I figured if it’s so toxic that people are afraid to take it for longer than 35 days then I might as well take something safer.
 
So it’s been about two weeks since I added in a lot more carbs and here are some things I noticed.

The bad:

1. I burp, fart, and shyt way more
2. I require at least two more hours of sleep, but my sleep is very deep
3. I’m way more fatigued throughout the day
4. My skin looks like hell, I’m breaking out with acne really bad
5. Anxiety increase (probably the result of blood sugar spikes)

The good:

1. I’m gaining weight easily (was 190 on day one and after two weeks I’m 193-194)
2. I feel stronger in the gym
3. I’m looking slightly fuller
4. The act of eating carbs is extremely satisfying, like consuming a drug

I’m getting my carbs from a variety of sources like potatoes, rice, oatmeal, some noodles, granola. Those are some examples. After eating low carb for a while and then adding them back in, it’s pretty obvious to me how they effect my body. Overall I don’t enjoy what it does but I’ll continue to eat them because they do help with muscle and strength gain.
 
YoungThor said:
So it’s been about two weeks since I added in a lot more carbs and here are some things I noticed.

The bad:

1. I burp, fart, and shyt way more
2. I require at least two more hours of sleep, but my sleep is very deep
3. I’m way more fatigued throughout the day
4. My skin looks like hell, I’m breaking out with acne really bad
5. Anxiety increase (probably the result of blood sugar spikes)

The good:

1. I’m gaining weight easily (was 190 on day one and after two weeks I’m 193-194)
2. I feel stronger in the gym
3. I’m looking slightly fuller
4. The act of eating carbs is extremely satisfying, like consuming a drug

I’m getting my carbs from a variety of sources like potatoes, rice, oatmeal, some noodles, granola. Those are some examples. After eating low carb for a while and then adding them back in, it’s pretty obvious to me how they effect my body. Overall I don’t enjoy what it does but I’ll continue to eat them because they do help with muscle and strength gain.
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Holy sh1t bro, I'm going through the same thing! After crash dieting for 3 years straight from lack of knowledge, I have some awesome help in my log completely changing my nutrition and training. I'm having the same reactions from increasing macros. I'm sure it will better us in the long haul.
 
I’m almost 8 weeks into the bulk and I’m up 9 pounds. I went from 190 to currently waking up at 199. So far the extra weight looks good. Fat gain appears minimal but I definitely did gain a little fat. My strength is climbing very fast. Adding carbs and focusing on heavy compound lifts was a great idea. Thanks to those who suggested it. Also, I added mk677 at 20mg ED and some creatine at 5g ED about two days ago. Up until that point I’ve been completely natty, no PED’s or supplements. Now I’m just looking for an extra boost. I’ll probably do a progress pic in a couple months. I plan on running a tbol cycle sometime early next year.
 
YoungThor said:
What body fat percentage do you think I am using the eye test? I’m halfway through my cut. I started out at 198 and am now down to 188 with the ultimate goal of losing 20 lbs total. In this picture I’m a little heavier than 188, more like 192 because I just threw down some BBQ and a couple IPA’s haha. So that might slightly skew my appearance, but I doubt it makes too big a difference. Anyway, here I am unflexed and without a pump. Also, let me add that I just hit the gym last week for the first time in two months because of a dislocated shoulder. So now that I’ve got my excuses out of the way, guess away my friends!

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Sorry I'm late to the thread. Based on years and years of experience guessing people's weight at the carnival.. I'd say, you're about 30-70 percent body fat give or take 10%.

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Seriously? I'd say about 26%.
 
justhere4comm said:
Sorry I'm late to the thread. Based on years and years of experience guessing people's weight at the carnival.. I'd say, you're about 30-70 percent body fat give or take 10%.

:afro:

Seriously? I'd say about 26%.
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Haha, that very well could be. I’m hoping what people suggested is true. Which is that you look leaner with more muscle and it’s easier to cut with more muscle.
 
Wow, I didn’t look at my old pics before doing that update. But I just checked them out now and the 9 pounds I gained are definitely significant in certain areas. Looking back at those pictures is good motivation for me moving forward. I’m going to get up to 205 and then evaluate what I should do from there.
 
I’m weighing in at 207 lbs the last couple days. I’m stopping the bulk here. All my lifts have gone up significantly during this bulk, my muscles look bigger and fuller, but so does my midsection. So it’s about time I cut back down. I don’t have a specific target weight in mind yet but I’ll probably go back down around 190 since I assume it’ll be a more muscular 190 lbs this time. But I’m not exactly sure how much weight I want to drop yet. I’m also going to cut my mk677 dose down to 10mg a day. It’s bloating me up like crazy. I’m holding onto way too much water.
 
YoungThor said:
I’m weighing in at 207 lbs the last couple days. I’m stopping the bulk here. All my lifts have gone up significantly during this bulk, my muscles look bigger and fuller, but so does my midsection. So it’s about time I cut back down. I don’t have a specific target weight in mind yet but I’ll probably go back down around 190 since I assume it’ll be a more muscular 190 lbs this time. But I’m not exactly sure how much weight I want to drop yet. I’m also going to cut my mk677 dose down to 10mg a day. It’s bloating me up like crazy. I’m holding onto way too much water.
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Weird I feel like mk677 has helped me stay full but I'm not bloating with it. I did when ate 25mg, I've been running it at 10 for about 4 months now. You got this man, slow and steady and keep lifting heavy!
 
GrizzleB said:
Weird I feel like mk677 has helped me stay full but I'm not bloating with it. I did when ate 25mg, I've been running it at 10 for about 4 months now. You got this man, slow and steady and keep lifting heavy!
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At 20mg mk added some water but didn’t make me feel too bloated but at 25mg I’d look pregnant after just eating a small snack. Yesterday I switched to 10mg and felt good on it.
 
So I’m down 4 lbs after one day. Obviously I’m just pissing out a lot of water right now. I did 16:8 intermittent fasting yesterday with the carnivore diet (I may have consumed up to 5g of carbs but that’s it). I also did an hour of cardio which is probably the most I’ll do in a day but I plan on doing a little bit each day, even if it’s only 15 minutes some days. I do intervals on the treadmill of walking, jogging, and a little sprinting. I’ll do some weightlifting after cardio to preserve muscle. But cardio comes first right now because fat loss is my focus.

I’m going to be a little flexible with my diet but it’ll have some basic principles. I’ll try to at least do 16:8 for intermittent fasting. It won’t always be strict carnivore but everyday I’ll at least keep carbs very low, so I’ll at least be keto. I’m hoping the mk677 and creatine will help keep my muscles looking full while my glycogen stores are low.
 
16:8 is awesome bro i swear by it. Keep it up man! Have you ever tried EC stack to help during your cut?
 
Mathb33 said:
16:8 is awesome bro i swear by it. Keep it up man! Have you ever tried EC stack to help during your cut?
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Thanks man. I’m doing 16:8 most days, sometimes going beyond that and sometimes falling short. Eating a carnivore diet is the main principle I’m sticking to. Today I might switch it up and eat keto by throwing in some low carb plant foods. But after three days of eating nothing but animal products and doing intermittent fasting I’m down six pounds and most importantly I feel pretty good.

I’ve never tried EC. I’ll look into it. I definitely get a lot of caffeine already though. I’d say on average I drink four cups of black coffee a day. I’m not sure what the ephedrine in that stack does. I guess that’s a stimulant too?
 
Ephedrine and caffeine are both powerful central nervous system (CNS) stimulants and work synergistically when they are taken together. Some people have a hard time on it I’m personally used to it and I enjoy the euphoria/ type of buzz it gives in the morning.
 
Mathb33 said:
Ephedrine and caffeine are both powerful central nervous system (CNS) stimulants and work synergistically when they are taken together. Some people have a hard time on it I’m personally used to it and I enjoy the euphoria/ type of buzz it gives in the morning.
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Interesting. Do you also drink coffee or do you just take the EC?
 
Well typical dosing is 200mg(1pill)caffeine, 16mg ephedrine, 2-3 times a day so you already taking quite a few but sometimes if I feel like taking a coffee I use it instead of the pill and still take ephedrine. But it’s gonna take a while before you actually think about taking a coffee lol the stack itself should give you more energy than you want
 
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