that's interesting. I get a different mental buzz from topicals that contain epiandro but the thing I like about Pump Addict is that there is like a focus element but without the side effects of the old school jack3d. With Jack3d you'd get the buzz and focus like a kid on adderall, you could lift for 2 hrs, but I noticed it would make my brain tingle and feel cold. I could tell it was bad news.
But with Pump Addict it's like you show up to the gym with heightened energy, improved mood (maybe that's the euphoria for others), great focus. its just by far the best preWO still that I've ever had.