What are the chances of injecting into a vein?

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I've done four injections so far, one in each delt and one in each glute. I read that accidentally injecting into a vein can be very dangerous. I didn't even think about this during my previous injections. Now I'm kinda paranoid to inject. How exactly can you know if you've hit a vein?
 
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That's why you should always aspirate when doing an IM injection. Pull back on the plunger, and if you see blood come into the syringe, pull out and inject in another area.
 
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You chances are so slim. You can aspirate and still get blood from nicking a vein and not actually be in one. Just slam it.
 

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For some reason it seems there are issues with hitting a vein with tren. I know i have had a couple times i had more bleeding hence i just have hit a vein. I was concerned it meant the dose was wasted but i was told it was not. Hurt though.
 
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That's why you should always aspirate when doing an IM injection. Pull back on the plunger, and if you see blood come into the syringe, pull out and inject in another area.
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I've read a lot of ppl on here saying no need to aspirated and no ever does it that chits outdated, why would anyone even risk not doing it considering it takes half a second and could save you a hospital stay
 

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I've read a lot of ppl on here saying no need to aspirated and no ever does it that chits outdated, why would anyone even risk not doing it considering it takes half a second and could save you a hospital stay
this is just from memory and I could easily be wrong but I thought that aspirating wasn’t mainstream medical practice any more and that the issues of injecting into a vein were massively over blown. Even if on the smallest chance you did it wouldn’t be a serious issue anyway.....

like I say, I’m not sure on that, just what I think I recall reading
 
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"IM injections: Aspiration prior to injection of medication through the IM route remains a part of most guidelines 4, 35, 3840. Nursing curricula and guidelines 4, 38, 39 clearly recommend aspiration as an essential step in IM injection technique."
^ This is from the National Institute of Health 2017.
I still do it. It doesn't cost me a thing.
 
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"IM injections: Aspiration prior to injection of medication through the IM route remains a part of most guidelines 4, 35, 3840. Nursing curricula and guidelines 4, 38, 39 clearly recommend aspiration as an essential step in IM injection technique."
^ This is from the National Institute of Health 2017.
I still do it. It doesn't cost me a thing.
Good Info!
 
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this is just from memory and I could easily be wrong but I thought that aspirating wasn’t mainstream medical practice any more and that the issues of injecting into a vein were massively over blown. Even if on the smallest chance you did it wouldn’t be a serious issue anyway.....

like I say, I’m not sure on that, just what I think I recall reading

Injecting an oil based solution into a vein can be extremely deadly. It can go straight to your heart and clog it up and get into your lungs. Just aspirate. It takes a second to do, and it can save your life.

If anyone is having trouble with the pain from the injection, buy some lidocaine solution for muscle pain at your local pharmacy and apply it to the area about an hour before you're going to pin the site. It will numb it and reduce the pain.
 
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Being hospitalised for hitting a vein? I mean, we could also warn people to be careful about pianos falling from the sky and hitting them on the head, cos that **** is possible, but fuk Ive never read a case of it actually happening.
 
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Another thing to keep in mind: what needle/syringe angle is preferred when mainlining, compared to IM? The difference is not insignificant.
 
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Being hospitalised for hitting a vein? I mean, we could also warn people to be careful about pianos falling from the sky and hitting them on the head, cos that **** is possible, but fuk Ive never read a case of it actually happening.
It's not an an insignificant risk. You're trying to make a logical fallacy comparison to this whole argument. Why not aspirate? It's just a simple method to prevent injury. Like I said, injecting an oil based solution into a vein can be deadly.

Another thing to keep in mind: what needle/syringe angle is preferred when mainlining, compared to IM? The difference is not insignificant.
What are you mainlining? For mainlining a slin pin or a 30g needle works fine.
 
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It's not an an insignificant risk. You're trying to make a logical fallacy comparison to this whole argument. Why not aspirate? It's just a simple method to prevent injury. Like I said, injecting an oil based solution into a vein can be deadly.



What are you mainlining? For mainlining a slin pin or a 30g needle works fine.
NAC isn't mainlining anything. Look again. He's not asking for pin suggestions, he's asking for people to think about the angles used.

I aspirate. I recommend aspiration. I recently posted an article on aspiration.
However ... For something to be a significant risk of Death or Hospitalization, you would need to be able to show that those events happen more than "almost never", caused by hitting a vein. ... And I don't believe you can do that (based upon what I've seen).
 

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isnt there always going to be a bit of blood wehn you pull back? Also my guess is if you see blood you inject the blood back in? Does that hurt anything and hopefully you dont have to change the pin when you move it? . Bright side of modern chemistry and getting learner is i see more veins. What i do is often try to inject like 1 inch away from a vein i can see and that seems to keep me from hitting them.
 
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isnt there always going to be a bit of blood wehn you pull back? Also my guess is if you see blood you inject the blood back in? Does that hurt anything and hopefully you dont have to change the pin when you move it? . Bright side of modern chemistry and getting learner is i see more veins. What i do is often try to inject like 1 inch away from a vein i can see and that seems to keep me from hitting them.
No. There’s not always going to be a
Bit of blood when you pull back. If there is pin again somewhere else. Some of my friends still inject and don’t give a flying **** but personally it happens 3 times to me out of maybe a thousand injections and I just pinned somewhere else
 
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this is just from memory and I could easily be wrong but I thought that aspirating wasn’t mainstream medical practice any more and that the issues of injecting into a vein were massively over blown. Even if on the smallest chance you did it wouldn’t be a serious issue anyway.....

like I say, I’m not sure on that, just what I think I recall reading
The last two years I have gotten my flu shot, the nurse did not aspirate.
 
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@Whisky youre right. Aspirating isn’t part of the practice anymore. Just like nurses don’t do glutes IM injections anymore.
 
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@Whisky youre right. Aspirating isn’t part of the practice anymore. Just like nurses don’t do glutes IM injections anymore.
Sure they do. My glutes refute your theory! LOL
 
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Sure they do. My glutes refute your theory! LOL
In Canada mostly any trt clinics you go they’ll avoid glutes and go for vg / hips area. You can find plenty infos on the internet on why they are opting for different spots now. This isn’t an opinion it’s a statement 😋 glutes is slowly becoming less and less popular in the médecine field. I expect America to follow the new standards within 5 to 8 years
 
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In Canada mostly any trt clinics you go they’ll avoid glutes and go for vg / hips area. You can find plenty infos on the internet on why they are opting for different spots now. This isn’t an opinion it’s a statement 😋 glutes is slowly becoming less and less popular in the médecine field. I expect America to follow the new standards within 5 to 8 years
Your statement was incorrect. "Nurses don't do glutes anymore".
Yes... Yes, they do. :cool:
 
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When I was watching TRT admin vids to learn how to pin, one guy (Noah something) actually called his hospital about aspiration and they said they no longer do it because the body that governs their practice in the US doesn’t have anyone do it. It’s no longer part of the procedure here.

I have also heard the argument that the amount of pressure you would need to actually inject into a vein is tremendous. That should be a red flag right there to pull out and try again, if you are pushing via a 25 and nothing is moving at all.

I don’t see it being a problem, if you want to do it go for it. But it doesn’t appear to be necessary or part of current practice.
 
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When I was watching TRT admin vids to learn how to pin, one guy (Noah something) actually called his hospital about aspiration and they said they no longer do it because the body that governs their practice in the US doesn’t have anyone do it. It’s no longer part of the procedure here.

I have also heard the argument that the amount of pressure you would need to actually inject into a vein is tremendous. That should be a red flag right there to pull out and try again, if you are pushing via a 25 and nothing is moving at all.

I don’t see it being a problem, if you want to do it go for it. But it doesn’t appear to be necessary or part of current practice.
Unless you are referring to after 2017, that disagrees with the NIH statements on aspiration, and nursing instruction.
 
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"IM injections: Aspiration prior to injection of medication through the IM route remains a part of most guidelines 4, 35, 3840. Nursing curricula and guidelines 4, 38, 39 clearly recommend aspiration as an essential step in IM injection technique."
^ This is from the National Institute of Health 2017.
I still do it. It doesn't cost me a thing.
... As above ^
 
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It's not an an insignificant risk. You're trying to make a logical fallacy comparison to this whole argument. Why not aspirate? It's just a simple method to prevent injury. Like I said, injecting an oil based solution into a vein can be deadly.



What are you mainlining? For mainlining a slin pin or a 30g needle works fine.
Youre scaremongering. Again, Ive never read anecdotally nor in the literature of anyone coming into trouble for injecting a steroid oil into a vein.

No, Im not then claiming that mainlining steroids is harmless. Im saying it doesnt happen. No-one is going to empty a syringe into a vein, which I would assume is the quantity needed to "get into danger".
 
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I mean, I wear my seatbelt because it might save my life. I keep firearms for the same reason. I eat healthy foods and exercise for my health. Im not necessarily afraid of what would happen if I didn't do these things, im just aware of the possibilities. When i start pinning, im aspirating.
 
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This was in 2019 my man.
Wow, you starting pinning in 2019?

It's odd that I haven't seen an update on the NIH site. If you find one, please post it.

... I'll still aspirate, but it would certainly put some others a little more at ease.
 
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Wow, you starting pinning in 2019?

It's odd that I haven't seen an update on the NIH site. If you find one, please post it.

... I'll still aspirate, but it would certainly put some others a little more at ease.
Yup. Did it the dumb way. Made less gains from progressively more elaborate & expensive oral/transdermal cycles. That has a place for a year or two, but not 8. On the plus side, I have had a lot of time to read and learn and deal with more variables than someone sticking to more traditional cycles. And I feel I have a lot more growth potential ahead of me for it.
 
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Yup. Did it the dumb way. Made less gains from progressively more elaborate & expensive oral/transdermal cycles. That has a place for a year or two, but not 8. On the plus side, I have had a lot of time to read and learn and deal with more variables than someone sticking to more traditional cycles. And I feel I have a lot more growth potential ahead of me for it.
Sweet!
 
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Youre scaremongering. Again, Ive never read anecdotally nor in the literature of anyone coming into trouble for injecting a steroid oil into a vein.

No, Im not then claiming that mainlining steroids is harmless. Im saying it doesnt happen. No-one is going to empty a syringe into a vein, which I would assume is the quantity needed to "get into danger".
I am absolutely not scare mongering. You're showing clear confirmation bias in your replies because you're unwilling to see and know the obvious: INJECTING OIL INTO A VEIN IS POTENTIALLY LIFE THREATENING. This is a simple fact that's indisputable.

Acute respiratory distress following intravenous injection of an oil-steroid solution

A case of acute respiratory distress and hypoxemia following accidental intravenous injection of an oil-steroid solution in a body builder is presented. Chest roentography at the time of presentation showed diffuse bilateral opacities, and computed tomography revealed predominantly peripheral ground-glass opacifications. The patient’s symptoms gradually improved over 48 h and imaging of the chest was unremarkable one week later. The pathophysiology, diagnosis and treatment of this rare but potentially life-threatening complication of intravenous oil injection are discussed.

The patient admitted to a single injection of a mixture of anabolic steroids suspended in oil, including commercially available preparations of testosterone enanthate and boldenone undecylenate. At the time of injection, he aspirated blood before administering the anabolic steroid, then repositioned but did not withdraw the needle. Within 1 min of injection, he developed transient shortness of breath that resolved initially but subsequently recurred and progressed to the point he presented to the emergency department 24 h later.

To state “nothing happens!” is completely bogus. What happens is that the oil travels through the veins into the lung tissue and possibly brain tissue, where the tiny capillaries are too small for the oil molecules to travel through. The oil BLOCKS the capillaries, causing poor transfer of oxygen into the blood stream. You start coughing because your body treats the blockage like you have something in your lungs (it is, but not in the airway, but in the capillaries). And It hurts! A LOT. With a a tiny amount of oil making it’s way into the lungs, it will cause a cough that lasts just a couple of minutes. A larger amount will result in you coughing for a solid 20–30 minutes, gasping for air, breathing heavily, and feeling like you’re essentially DROWNING without water. It’s not only painful, it’s down right scary, if you don’t know what is happening.

The oil blocks transfer of oxygen, so your body is literally gasping for air, without anything in your lungs. The cough is a response trying to rid your lungs of whatever is blocking it (but the cough is non-productive, because there’s nothing in the lungs airspace). Over time the oil breaks free, but you might cough for a residual hour. I speak from experience on this.

While rare, the REAL DANGER is that the oil can actually block the capillaries to the point you have a blood clot form. Clots can form in the lungs, or even the brain, causing a stroke. Typically, this is reported as an “overdose” of testosterone, but functionally, this is the oil entering the bloodstream. Symptoms include headache, seizures, slurred speech, sudden and severe inability to speak, temporary blindness, and weakness in the arm or leg on one side of your body, that is both sudden and severe. These are stroke symptoms and require IMMEDIATE medical attention. You literally have 60 minutes to get help from medical professionals (ambulances can treat this on the way to the hospital), beyond that, stroke effects can have permanent damage.

I also came across a very helpful guide for injecting steroids, which I've uploaded to my Mega account and you can download in PDF here:

Injecting Anabolic Steroids - Step-by-Step Visual Guide. This guide was published by Exchange Supplies.org which looks like they sell some very helpful products.
 
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I've done four injections so far, one in each delt and one in each glute. I read that accidentally injecting into a vein can be very dangerous. I didn't even think about this during my previous injections. Now I'm kinda paranoid to inject. How exactly can you know if you've hit a vein?
Very slight. Aspirate as already recommended. Veins are superficial. If you do hit a vein, you will pass though it and still be in the muscle. Can’t go wrong with the anterior-lateral quad. Nothing but thick muscle and you will be nowhere near femoral vessels even if you used a 2in syringe.
 
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I am absolutely not scare mongering. You're showing clear confirmation bias in your replies because you're unwilling to see and know the obvious: INJECTING OIL INTO A VEIN IS POTENTIALLY LIFE THREATENING. This is a simple fact that's indisputable.





I also came across a very helpful guide for injecting steroids, which I've uploaded to my Mega account and you can download in PDF here:

Injecting Anabolic Steroids - Step-by-Step Visual Guide. This guide was published by Exchange Supplies.org which looks like they sell some very helpful products.
Lol, i get "acute respiratory distress" when I read your posts brah.
 
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Can we stop this silly back and forth, if you want to be on the safe side Aspirate if you choose not to, you probably will not die!

End Of Debate !!
 
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Can we stop this silly back and forth, if you want to be on the safe side Aspirate if you choose not to, you probably will not die!

End Of Debate !!
If you hit a vein with any kind of oil and you start coughing and can't breath you better take yourself to the ER. Then you will probably not die. I don't understand why people don't see the seriousness of the misinformation being posted about these potential hazards. It's all about harm reduction when you're self administering a very potent cocktail of drugs.
 
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Can we stop this silly back and forth, if you want to be on the safe side Aspirate if you choose not to, you probably will not die!

End Of Debate !!
If you hit a vein with any kind of oil and you start coughing and can't breath you better take yourself to the ER. Then you will probably not die. I don't understand why people don't see the seriousness of the misinformation being posted about these potential hazards. It's all about harm reduction when you're self administering a very potent cocktail of drugs.
 
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When I started pinning I did aspirate for some time but ended not doing it anymore. It added more pain to the whole process of injecting. Maybe I was just never good at it, idk, but it's an extra burden when pinning and I don't like pinning all that much to begin with.

mr. Star, This topic has been debated here more then one time. It keeps circling back time to time. Bottom line, it's not really needed. Most people on trt don't do it, and they pin all the time, not just a couple of months a year. Stop scaring people.

Be mindful about, as has been mentioned, pressure when pinning, pain, etc.
 
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When I started pinning I did aspirate for some time but ended not doing it anymore. It added more pain to the whole process of injecting. Maybe I was just never good at it, idk, but it's an extra burden when pinning and I don't like pinning all that much to begin with.

mr. Star, This topic has been debated here more then one time. It keeps circling back time to time. Bottom line, it's not really needed. Most people on trt don't do it, and they pin all the time, not just a couple of months a year. Stop scaring people.

Be mindful about, as has been mentioned, pressure when pinning, pain, etc.

You are taking a great risk doing that just to avoid pain. As I mentioned above, you can rub some lidocaine on the site if you are particular sensitive to injections.

I am not scaring people. I provided studies and information showing the dangerous of injecting an oil based solution into a vein. If you've done it for this long and not had a problem, consider yourself lucky.
 
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When I started pinning I did aspirate for some time but ended not doing it anymore. It added more pain to the whole process of injecting. Maybe I was just never good at it, idk, but it's an extra burden when pinning and I don't like pinning all that much to begin with.

mr. Star, This topic has been debated here more then one time. It keeps circling back time to time. Bottom line, it's not really needed. Most people on trt don't do it, and they pin all the time, not just a couple of months a year. Stop scaring people.

Be mindful about, as has been mentioned, pressure when pinning, pain, etc.

You are taking a great risk doing that just to avoid pain. As I mentioned above, you can rub some lidocaine on the site if you are particular sensitive to injections.

I am not scaring people. I provided studies and information showing the dangerous of injecting an oil based solution into a vein. If you've done it for this long and not had a problem, consider yourself lucky.
 
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One "side" should show a little self-control. Even if nobody else is willing to.
This has devolved into a "is not!" ... "Is too!" Arguement.
That takes very little intellectual prowess.
 
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When I started pinning I did aspirate for some time but ended not doing it anymore. It added more pain to the whole process of injecting. Maybe I was just never good at it, idk, but it's an extra burden when pinning and I don't like pinning all that much to begin with.

mr. Star, This topic has been debated here more then one time. It keeps circling back time to time. Bottom line, it's not really needed. Most people on trt don't do it, and they pin all the time, not just a couple of months a year. Stop scaring people.

Be mindful about, as has been mentioned, pressure when pinning, pain, etc.

You are taking a great risk doing that just to avoid pain. As I mentioned above, you can rub some lidocaine on the site if you are particular sensitive to injections.

I am not scaring people. I provided studies and information showing the dangerous of injecting an oil based solution into a vein. If you've done it for this long and not had a problem, consider yourself lucky.
 
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One "side" should show a little self-control. Even if nobody else is willing to.
This has devolved into a "is not!" ... "Is too!" Arguement.
That takes very little intellectual prowess.
If you are confident on your side of the debate, then please - by all means post some data or literature that backs it up. I provided an article and two studies above. No one else has addressed that or attempted to debate it. I'm EXTREMELY concerned about the people spreading misinformation in this thread. This forum is viewed by new AAS users all the time. When they see this thread and don't know whether or not to aspirate it leads them down a dangerous path. This is so incredibly simple. Pull the plunger back, if there is blood, try another shot. How complicated is that? Is that seriously too much effort for someone to do?

There is a movement called "Harm Reduction". It mainly involved needle exchange and safe environments for rec drug users to use their drug of choice in a safe environment and to reduce diseases and overdoses. But, there is also a harm reduction movement for AAS users as well. If you check my link above to a step by step guide for injecting AAS you will see it agrees with me on the aspiration.

I always advocate harm reduction by limiting your availability of harm when doing AAS. There are so many safety tips and important things to know for new AAS users that certain things have to be explained to them.

Here is a partial page of instructions from William Llewellyn's Anabolics 2009 book.



I can go through other books and dig up more and more evidence on this topic, but no one wants to seem to debate the point with any science, just their own anecdotal experiences.
 
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If you are confident on your side of the debate, then please - by all means post some data or literature that backs it up. I provided an article and two studies above. No one else has addressed that or attempted to debate it. I'm EXTREMELY concerned about the people spreading misinformation in this thread. This forum is viewed by new AAS users all the time. When they see this thread and don't know whether or not to aspirate it leads them down a dangerous path. This is so incredibly simple. Pull the plunger back, if there is blood, try another shot. How complicated is that? Is that seriously too much effort for someone to do?

There is a movement called "Harm Reduction". It mainly involved needle exchange and safe environments for rec drug users to use their drug of choice in a safe environment and to reduce diseases and overdoses. But, there is also a harm reduction movement for AAS users as well. If you check my link above to a step by step guide for injecting AAS you will see it agrees with me on the aspiration.

I always advocate harm reduction by limiting your availability of harm when doing AAS. There are so many safety tips and important things to know for new AAS users that certain things have to be explained to them.

Here is a partial page of instructions from William Llewellyn's Anabolics 2009 book.



I can go through other books and dig up more and more evidence on this topic, but no one wants to seem to debate the point with any science, just their own anecdotal experiences.
Apparently your intellect is either too low or too high to grasp the concept here.
This old, tired arguing is stupid.

THAT is my "argument".
 
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If you use tried and true IM sites the chances are slim. However with that being said I usually only aspirate during a Tren cycle. Even a nick can lead to brutality!
 

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