what am i doing wrong?

Mother****er, beat me to it.
 
Danimozz said:
Had the same problem about 2-3 months ago. Everything else was getting bigger but chest looked flat. My dad bought me a dip station and have seen huge chest size improvement
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Hey bud I do dips, but its the kind where you have a bench and a box and put you feet on the box and hands on the side of the bench. More of a tricept workout but could that help with chest?
 
evodrag said:
Back to the original question about building chest. 1st nutrition is obviously optimal if he's put 3.5 inches on his arms. 2 things here...genetics play a big role here unfortunetly. secondly, try the cable crosses concentrating on the squeeze at the end of the rep. Dont go too heavy just squeeze. Bench primarily works your front delts, period....whether its DB's or BB's. I dont know your split but Ill suggest trying to hit chest twice a week for a couple weeks. GL!
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What if I do flys with a little lighter weight then usual with a 2 second paused squeeze at the end. Is that getting same effect as the cable workout. I have no access to cable workouts. My disadvantage :(
 
You are better off with parallel bars dips for chest development.

wick3dtrick said:
Hey bud I do dips, but its the kind where you have a bench and a box and put you feet on the box and hands on the side of the bench. More of a tricept workout but could that help with chest?
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Any hardware store buy a couple 2x4s and a 1 inch aluminum pipe and make a set for around $30 or you can fork out some serious cash at iron minds or check out craigslist and ebay.

wick3dtrick said:
Any idea where I could buy parallel bars for dips at?
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Gerbil said:
Any hardware store buy a couple 2x4s and a 1 inch aluminum pipe and make a set for around $30 or you can fork out some serious cash at iron minds or check out craigslist and ebay.
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Ha ill think ill check youtube or something on how to build one. Maybe even post a pic of it after I build it lol. But I'm 200 lbs I don't know how much pressure wood can take until it falls apart lol.
 
Surprised nobody has brought this up yet: you're only 18. Keep an eye on the big picture and don't worry about minor details. What are your strength numbers on the big 3?
 
Rodja said:
Surprised nobody has brought this up yet: you're only 18. Keep an eye on the big picture and don't worry about minor details. What are your strength numbers on the big 3?
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I think you mean bench squat and deadlift

Right now I'm at 285 on bench 350 on squat and 385 on deadlift
 
wick3dtrick said:
I think you mean bench squat and deadlift

Right now I'm at 285 on bench 350 on squat and 385 on deadlift
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Also with me being 18 would that affect my chest growth? I have huge arms well for my body size my back almost takes over my chest and my core is I guess average my chest I feel is lacking
 
wick3dtrick said:
Also with me being 18 would that affect my chest growth? I have huge arms well for my body size my back almost takes over my chest and my core is I guess average my chest I feel is lacking
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It doesn't have any effect on growth, but it is a matter of time for the muscle to mature. At only 18, you're still a baby and getting hung up on something like chest size at your age is being overly facetious. Get stronger and bigger and worry about the details after you have at least 5 years of dedicated diet and training.
 
howwedo107 said:
Hey guys I saw big foot!!!! Dude came in and drank a shake with me....pics? You ask? Naw I dont need proof just take my word for it....poor guy had a big waist to...must be all that damn whey lolol
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completely laughed out loud when i read this
 
Rodja said:
It doesn't have any effect on growth, but it is a matter of time for the muscle to mature. At only 18, you're still a baby and getting hung up on something like chest size at your age is being overly facetious. Get stronger and bigger and worry about the details after you have at least 5 years of dedicated diet and training.
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Haha baby bodybuilder in training lol! Ok so it will come with time? Thank you master yoda! (Bowing to you) lol. I still hate the fact that I am getting gains everywhere else and my chest is tiny compared to the rest of my body. Thank you for posting and giving the advice you had bud. I will take it into consideration, ill take everyones advice in that what I'm here for I'm 18 with little knowledge I'm the young pupil learning how to be a master. So thank you all :)
 
wick3dtrick said:
Haha baby bodybuilder in training lol! Ok so it will come with time? Thank you master yoda! (Bowing to you) lol. I still hate the fact that I am getting gains everywhere else and my chest is tiny compared to the rest of my body. Thank you for posting and giving the advice you had bud. I will take it into consideration, ill take everyones advice in that what I'm here for I'm 18 with little knowledge I'm the young pupil learning how to be a master. So thank you all :)
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My advice would be in agreement with Rodja. Also, I would try lowering the weight, slightly, in your auxiliary lifts. Focus on developing a strong "mind muscle" connection for your chest, every muscle for that matter, and don't be afraid to play around with form, within safe parameters, rep ranges, tempo, rest time, etc. Every person is different, in terms of muscle origin and insertion, fiber type and density, hormonal responses, recovery time, etc. Most importantly, always be sure to stretch and contract through your full ROM.
 
NYiron said:
My advice would be in agreement with Rodja. Also, I would try lowering the weight, slightly, in your auxiliary lifts. Focus on developing a strong "mind muscle" connection for your chest, every muscle for that matter, and don't be afraid to play around with form, within safe parameters, rep ranges, tempo, rest time, etc. Every person is different, in terms of muscle origin and insertion, fiber type and density, hormonal responses, recovery time, etc. Most importantly, always be sure to stretch and contract through your full ROM.
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well like i was telling someone in another post i have really good form i started lifting in middle school for wrestling but we didnt do heavylifting for my coach didnt want anyone to get hurt or anything else like that. it was more of a conditioning. so we learned form and technique over anything else, most importantly. i do constantly change reps and sets to see what has the better effect ive come to learn from experience lower reps with more weight gives better mass gain and high reps with less weight give better cuts, which i also come to learn that from AM too. i normally dont go more then 30 second in between sets and 2 min in between workouts. yea in my high school alot of kids do not do full range of motion they do them really fast and dont fully extend which is bad right? because then you wont develope your muscle correctly right? i had to retrain my bicepts because i didnt fully extend.
 
wick3dtrick said:
well like i was telling someone in another post i have really good form i started lifting in middle school for wrestling but we didnt do heavylifting for my coach didnt want anyone to get hurt or anything else like that. it was more of a conditioning. so we learned form and technique over anything else, most importantly. i do constantly change reps and sets to see what has the better effect ive come to learn from experience lower reps with more weight gives better mass gain and high reps with less weight give better cuts, which i also come to learn that from AM too. i normally dont go more then 30 second in between sets and 2 min in between workouts. yea in my high school alot of kids do not do full range of motion they do them really fast and dont fully extend which is bad right? because then you wont develope your muscle correctly right? i had to retrain my bicepts because i didnt fully extend.
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Oh alright a good base knowledge is invaluable. Technique and form are everything, thats so cliche but it could not prove to be more true. Take that knowledge of form and ways to vary your approach and apply it to really fine tuning your "mind muscle connection" and also find what combination works for your body. You will definitely see the gains your after as you continue to put your time in. Just as a side note high weight/low reps for mass and low weight/high reps for cuts doesn't always prove true. I wouldn't think in terms of one form of training will do this and the other will do that, each has its place and will produce mass gains, respectively. Each approach will result in characteristic physiological adaptations, hypertrophic response and physique changes. Think of everything just as tools. Ways to elicit a response and manipulate your body to fit your goals and desired physique. Sculptors work with chisels and clay, bodybuilders work with iron, sweat, blood, food and muscle.
 
NYiron said:
Oh alright a good base knowledge is invaluable. Technique and form are everything, thats so cliche but it could not prove to be more true. Take that knowledge of form and ways to vary your approach and apply it to really fine tuning your "mind muscle connection" and also find what combination works for your body. You will definitely see the gains your after as you continue to put your time in. Just as a side note high weight/low reps for mass and low weight/high reps for cuts doesn't always prove true. I wouldn't think in terms of one form of training will do this and the other will do that, each has its place and will produce mass gains, respectively. Each approach will result in characteristic physiological adaptations, hypertrophic response and physique changes. Think of everything just as tools. Ways to elicit a response and manipulate your body to fit your goals and desired physique. Sculptors work with chisels and clay, bodybuilders work with iron, sweat, blood, food and muscle.
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Well I've always been open to what people tell me and take that for my advantage but I try to make sure not to believe everything because some will steer you wrong. So I try to conduct research of my own based off what I hear and or am told. But what I said about low reps heavy weight and high reps less weight is wrong? I always thought that I was right about that, and it always worked for me especially with my tricept. My father back in his day did bodybuilding all natural too. And he blessed me with his giant tricepts. I have the biggest I have seen for my age. And amen to that qoute I love it, lol.
 
Dammit, I missed all the action. I had some PubMed and Scholar sources as well.

Thread was gold.
 
Jiigzz said:
Dammit, I missed all the action. I had some PubMed and Scholar sources as well.

Thread was gold.
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i agree thread was gold, i learned a lot and thats what this community is all about "Learn, Teach, Lead" i love it. but like i stated earlier, i am always up for any advice ima bodybuilding sponge and im here to absorb your precious advice/facts. so by all means post away bud. or PM me either way, posting has the ability for others to tune in to.
 
wick3dtrick said:
Hey bud I do dips, but its the kind where you have a bench and a box and put you feet on the box and hands on the side of the bench. More of a tricept workout but could that help with chest?
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Honestly those kinds of dips are not too great. They focus almost exclusively on triceps and are bad for your shoulders as I've read several articles on that. If at all possible I would try to get on a real dip bar. If your gym doesn't have a dip bar, try to improvise and either make one for home using 2 chairs or prop up barbells at the gym
 
What about db flyes? After I do a set I immediately take the dumbells and hold them together and do a bench press (?) not too sure what they are called but I definitely feel the burn.
 
wick3dtrick said:
Sorry for asking, but I have been lifting again for the past 9 months. I use to lift a lot back in high school then I stopped and a year went by and my passion for my lifting and training hard came back. Like I said been lifting for 9 months now and my chest will not get bigger no matter what.my arms have grown and amazing 3 and a half inches and I've had huge gains everywhere else. But my chest is making everything else look bad. What can I do. I currently am doing flat bench (regular grip, wide grip, and close grip) incline dumbell press, dumbell flys, and decline bench. 3 sets of 8. Honestly my chest has got tighter and my bench maxs have gone up but I'm looking to add mass.

Any help or advice you have to give it is highly appriciated. I fear ill have this upsetting chest forever...
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Over training. Just do incline barbell bench flat db and like a 15* fly. No need for 5-6 exercises with im guessing 4-6 work sets.
 
tigerdb2 said:
+1
Used far too often and its certainly not the case here if he's getting stronger
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Overlooked strength gains. Sheer volume doesnt help growth in some cases. Either way back the volume down and see what happens.
 
For 18 those numbers are pretty good. keep going. But as for chest you can do db flys with a squeeze at the end.
 
wick3dtrick said:
Well I've always been open to what people tell me and take that for my advantage but I try to make sure not to believe everything because some will steer you wrong. So I try to conduct research of my own based off what I hear and or am told. But what I said about low reps heavy weight and high reps less weight is wrong? I always thought that I was right about that, and it always worked for me especially with my tricept. My father back in his day did bodybuilding all natural too. And he blessed me with his giant tricepts. I have the biggest I have seen for my age. And amen to that qoute I love it, lol.
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It all depends on your body some respond well, regarding mass, to heavy weight and lower reps and some the latter. Each methodology has different physiological adaptations with which it is associated. This is due to the nature of the stress being put on the body. I am not saying to use one over the other or what your saying is wrong but rather, to not to label it so distinctively. The the body, systemically, is extremely subjective. There are so many variables day in and day out that will effect growth, performance, physique, etc. that as bodybuilders we need to constantly adapt, playing on these variables, to keep our gains moving forward. Essentially, what works today may not necessarily work tomorrow or next year or 10 years from now, for that matter. What i mean is look at high reps vs low reps, high weight vs low weight more as a means to reaching your goal rather then one method will elicit said result and the other will elicit the latter.
 
wick3dtrick said:
well like i was telling someone in another post i have really good form i started lifting in middle school for wrestling but we didnt do heavylifting for my coach didnt want anyone to get hurt or anything else like that. it was more of a conditioning. so we learned form and technique over anything else, most importantly. i do constantly change reps and sets to see what has the better effect ive come to learn from experience lower reps with more weight gives better mass gain and high reps with less weight give better cuts, which i also come to learn that from AM too. i normally dont go more then 30 second in between sets and 2 min in between workouts. yea in my high school alot of kids do not do full range of motion they do them really fast and dont fully extend which is bad right? because then you wont develope your muscle correctly right? i had to retrain my bicepts because i didnt fully extend.
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The reps for mass and cutting makes no sense and is archaic leftovers from the 80's. Regarding form, you're going to get different schools of thought on this. From the BB'er perspective, partial ROM is usually utilized to keep constant tension of the muscle. This is why you constantly see top-level guys doing 1/2 reps. However, from a strength perspective, a full ROM is always needed to development to movement. When you boil it down, that really is the difference between a strength athlete and a BB'er: muscles vs movements.
 
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