Wesley vs Somatozine

[WesleyInman]

What's up guys. Sorry for the delay. Meant to post this a week ago, been super busy.



Testing out Somatozine (MK677 +Huperzine A combo) and Vicaine (nootropic)

So this time I am challenging the new product "Somatozine" by MA Labs. This is a brand affiliated with Iron Mag Labs. You can still use my code for any of the products they have, "WES15" gets you 15% off at Invalid Link Removed



Now, what is Somatozine??

This is an oral MK677 with Huperzine blended in with it. Why Huperzine?

"To provide a single, ready-to-use growth hormone elevating product of superior effectiveness. What somatostatin inhibitor did I select for inclusion in the Somatozine formula? This choice was easy. Huperzine-A. Unlike many other somatostatin inhibitors, Huperzine-A displays incredible potency, possesses a high degree of selectivity for the proper tissues (critical), and has a long duration of action; all essential characteristics when designing the most effective GH boosting product possible."

I am a week in and will post up all effects, side effects, my workouts, and anything else I knotice while using these products.

I will say this I am a big fan of MK677 as is. Some of the sides I have experienced on 10-25mgs ED in the past is water retention, nightmares, and mild lethargy, extreme appetite. I have seen nice strength gains, solid increases in bodyweight while on, and when coming off MK I notice I am much leaner then I was previous to it's use.

Will try to log every 2-3 days.

Feel free to ask any questions I will do the best I can to give an answer

Thanks! -Wesley

 

[WesleyInman]

I will be lifting explosively during this 30 day run.

Meaning that I will be doing moderate to low rep ranges for most of my lifts and using speed and momentum. The point being to develop more explosive strength while hardening and maybe even leaning out a tiny bit.

I do think I will initially retain some water on the Somatozine, but once I drop it, I plan on being harder and leaner.

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[dlossing17]

i ordered this same combo last night, when are you taking your soma. everything ive read people are saying take it at night and it will help out with sleep. they say taking it in the morning affects your appetite big time. also how is the vicaine so far

 

[WesleyInman]

i ordered this same combo last night, when are you taking your soma. everything ive read people are saying take it at night and it will help out with sleep. they say taking it in the morning affects your appetite big time. also how is the vicaine so far

Hey man, yeah I was gonna update the thread today.

I have tried MK (not this version) at various times. I liked 10mgs in the am and 10mgs in the pm. I seemed to have less water retention and less nightmares, etc..

With this I tried 1-2x in the am so far, and I was much hungrier all day. But I have been doing 25mgs at night. Sleep is much better and I know in Pubmed studies that the MK has been shown to increase REM sleep big time. Which makes sense. I can sleep only 6-7 hours and I'm super rested.

I have tried the vicaine in 1,2 and 3 capsules so far. I like it 1 cap in the am the best. 2 caps is really really strong for me. It feels like a very good nootropic and mood enhancer. On 3 caps, I almost felt sick. Like it was too much for me. Had a similar feel to if i take too much kratom. Body feels euphoric, feel very good mood, but it makes me nauseous.

So far so good on both products. Will update the thread on starting bodyweight and exercises. Thanks Dlossing17 for the reply

 

[WesleyInman]

Update:

I should have mentioned I started out weighing in around 210 (which is light for me)
I dieted a bit lately and was using thermos.

Anyways my current routine is still the 1 cap vicaine in the am and 1 cap of Somatozine at night.


I can see some water retention in my face a bit already. I have had a steady increase in hunger too, which is good. Will be working out later so will post my routine. I am doing more explosive training. Not going super heavy.

Another thing I have noticed and it might be coincidence is that I feel like I have had to shave my face more since I started. It might be coincidence, but I swear I shave lately and next day I have to shave again, which is not like me at all.

 

[WesleyInman]

Ok so last nights workout..short and sweet, had about 40minutes, so made this quick

Back and Chest (incline only - Simply because my joints, left elbow have been killing me. Getting them looked at by the ortho next week. Thinking I have bone chips, and spurs that is hitting a nerve..from 20+ years of heavy pressing..finally caught up.

Seated Cable Rows

100x15

150x15

200x10

300 (rack) - feeling strong on these tonight..Went easy, no straps either

Incline Bench Press

135x20

135x20 warmups

225x20 speed reps

315x10 (elbows killing me..gotta stay away from this weight for a bit)

135x20 pause reps

Pulldowns

100x20

140x15

180x10

220x10

Wesley Inman Shrugs ( I know many people have seen this video 10,000 times, but I will post this for new viewers)

45 per hand x20

45x20

45x20

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Incline Dumbell Press (speed reps, not locking out at the top)

50x20

70x20

100x20


Called it a day. My elbows are KILLING me. Worse then ever.

In regards to the Somatozine..I do feel a bit stronger and more recovered so far on this, which I expected. My face is super super puffy today, more so then it has been. I think my diet was the reason...Yesterday I ate really poorly. I had a huge steak and cheese grinder before bed..woke up and looked like I got punched in the face, my cheeks are swollen LOL..But like I said, I do get puffy face on MK677


As for the Vicaine.>Still using 1 cap a day. I absolutely notice 1 hour after I take it..my mood is better, I am more patient, and I feel overall nicer, more patient. Stuff is legit. I have had multiple friends who are using this say the same thing to me. They like it. Said 2 caps is strong. and 3 is too much. I agree to that.So fa


So far everyone likes this product. A long time friend of mine who is a big time Kratom user said he loves this. He describes it as very different then Kratom, not as strong in his experience, but useful for mood, etc..

I cannot legally say this,and I am not making any :"medical claims" or "diagnosis" but having administered Pscyh meds and anti depressants in the past, and having tried a few of them to see how they feel. I can honestly say this is a much safer and better feeling version of those meds. If someone was experiencing depression or maybe anxiety..I genuinely think this would something they can consider to attempt to make improvements. I sincerely think this would work for this reason.

 

[WesleyInman]

Update 1/24



Shoulders and Back



Seated Rows

100x20

150x20

200x10

300(rack) x10



Seated Military on Smith Machine (hoping this would ease my elbows)

155x15

245x15 (nope elbows are killiing me with this weight..dropping down)

155x20



Pulldowns (only do these bc my gf loves these and she has been working in with me..Id' prefer pullups personally)

100x20

150x20

200x20, felt strong on these



Military Dumbells (dumbells listed per hand)

50x20

75x20

100x10 (ouch elbows)



So I have to bring my sleeves back into play. I go 2morrow to get my elbows looked at by the Ortho, hoping to schedule an Xray or CT Scan, etc.. and figure this out asap.



Workouts feel great. I def feel stronger. I do feel like my resting BP is a tiny bit higher on this compound.

Still been taking 25mgs of somatozine before bed, and waking up and taking vicaine x 1 capsule.

Very happy with this combo. Puffiness in face is going away. BW is def up. Physique looks fuller. Recovery much better. My extreme appetite is not so strong lately.

Also the sleep, its like I am requiring less and less now. Now I get 6 hours and I wake up. Kind of irritating on the weekend when you want to sleep in , but priceless during the week. Waking up is much easier for me on this compound..Im more rested for sure.

Vivid dreams and some nightmares, which always happens to me on MK677-

Will update again asap

 

[WesleyInman]

Took the day off Somatozine today. Gonna do an HGH style method, either 4 on 1 off, or 3 on 2 off..play around with it..


Just experimenting to see if I physically feel different. In the meantime I figured I will entertain you guys with a story from when I worked for WSM (Worlds Strongest Man)

2009? Story here, I was working a Worlds Strongest Man Event at Mohegan Sun Casino and invited my brother in law Paul and my sister. Get them front row seats next to the Athletes, only for Paul to yell and talk trash to Mariusz Pudzianowski the entire time. Finally Paul bets Pudzianowski $5 bucks that Terry Hollands will beat him in the next event, the Yoke. Something insane like 1000lbs. So of course they are up next and Pudz loses by literally not even a second. Pudz won't even come back near where they are sitting so he can't be tormented more. He was so embarrassed that he lost LOL. Finally at the end of the Contest, Mariusz literally has to borrow 5$ from a Polish News Reporter to pay off Paul. I thought we both were gonna get beat up that night....But Pudz ended up loving him and even taking a picture with him as proof.. Great memories, most of you never knew this story existed-
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[WesleyInman]

Guys these are 2 vicaine reviews from friends of mine using it. I copy and pasted and did not edit these reviews in any way. Will update my thread over the weekend in regards to the Somatozine and how it is treating me.

Vicaine reviews:

By Chris

"Gonna tell everyone right now right here this product is 150% legit... get it while u can is all I'm saying Ik I am. Lots of marketing scams out there but this is not one of them.. without going into detail I've had major lumbar and cervical fusions and have been stuck on pain meds for years and I'm not talking just a Vicodin either I'm talking very very powerful stuff most drs won't prescribe to cancer patients.. this stuff WILL replace your cravings and help anyone in pain I personally guarantee and I'm no novice to opioid medications.. I'm giving this a 10/10 and the fast shipping from iml cannot be beat. 2 days from order to door ... I'm gonna say I've lived in a lot of pain w my back even though I criple myself at work and in the gym I will not give up, this stuff has taken my pain levels to the lowest it's been since before i started having issues w degenerative disc disease . It's no fun. Even if this stuff only worked for one day it's a blessing to be pain free for a single day .. even hooked to button controled iv dialaudid for 3 days I had more pain than I have now. Who knew there was a legal alternative this whole time. Cannot thank Wesley enough and whoever the genius is for creating this product. I'll stop rambling u get my point. I'm in no way affiliated w iml or any other supplement companies I'm just average joe in ny here giving my honest opinions"

By Nate

"It's the BEST nootropic I've ever used hands down. 3-4/5 for pain...but I'm also tolerant....but energy, focus, etc is amazing and its by far the greatest mental energy supp blend I've ever used and I've taken nuvigil, adderall, vyvanse, etc.

 

[WesleyInman]

Update-

Sorry for the delay in posting. I have been sick for the last 2 days..so I am out of the gym until at least 2morrow. Here is Sundays workout and some updated info!!

Sunday 1/29

Shoulders and Back

Standing Military Press (strict)
135x10 warmup
135x10
185x10
225x6 (called these off..this is still super hard with the fact my quad was completely torn off only 6months ago. Stability is an issue. Gonna go to seated. Also elbows bothering me.

Old footage of Standing Strict press
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Cable Rows
100x20
150x20
200x15
300 (rack x 10) feeling super strong on these

Smith Machine Higher rep shoulder presses
155x20
155x20
155x20 (wow what a pump!)

Pulldowns
100x20
150x15
200x15
240x15


Somatozine Update
Still doing the 25mgs before bed on empty stomach. I am def seeing some vivid dreams and nightmares. I have mentioned it before but when I wake up at night on this dosage, I am super groggy. My recovery muscle wise on this compound is amazing. I am literally recovering in 1/2 the time. Strength is up in all lifts.
Even though I am sick I do not see any weight loss yet and my appetite is great for having a sinus infection. I totally expect this compound to improve my immune system and to recover from illness even sooner. I have not weighed in yet, but I would say I have to be up an easy 5lbs so far. Looking bigger, filling out shirts and pants better.

So far so good on Somatozine. Remember to use my code "WES15" in capital letters if you want to try any of the products over at Invalid Link Removed. Has anyone tried NSX-6 yet??

 

[hardknock]

Guys these are 2 vicaine reviews from friends of mine using it. I copy and pasted and did not edit these reviews in any way. Will update my thread over the weekend in regards to the Somatozine and how it is treating me.

Vicaine reviews:

By Chris

"Gonna tell everyone right now right here this product is 150% legit... get it while u can is all I'm saying Ik I am. Lots of marketing scams out there but this is not one of them.. without going into detail I've had major lumbar and cervical fusions and have been stuck on pain meds for years and I'm not talking just a Vicodin either I'm talking very very powerful stuff most drs won't prescribe to cancer patients.. this stuff WILL replace your cravings and help anyone in pain I personally guarantee and I'm no novice to opioid medications.. I'm giving this a 10/10 and the fast shipping from iml cannot be beat. 2 days from order to door ... I'm gonna say I've lived in a lot of pain w my back even though I criple myself at work and in the gym I will not give up, this stuff has taken my pain levels to the lowest it's been since before i started having issues w degenerative disc disease . It's no fun. Even if this stuff only worked for one day it's a blessing to be pain free for a single day .. even hooked to button controled iv dialaudid for 3 days I had more pain than I have now. Who knew there was a legal alternative this whole time. Cannot thank Wesley enough and whoever the genius is for creating this product. I'll stop rambling u get my point. I'm in no way affiliated w iml or any other supplement companies I'm just average joe in ny here giving my honest opinions"

By Nate

"It's the BEST nootropic I've ever used hands down. 3-4/5 for pain...but I'm also tolerant....but energy, focus, etc is amazing and its by far the greatest mental energy supp blend I've ever used and I've taken nuvigil, adderall, vyvanse, etc.

Im going to try the vicaine and test it against tramadol and morphine. Im not sure if there is a better preworkout for me than prescription tramadol @75mg and 250mg caffeine. I seriously feel like I can train for hours on end. With just a any otc pre im running low on fuel by 1.5hrs but with the tramadol I will accidentally stay in the gym for 3hrs. One day I felt so good I did my workout for monday then did half of my workout for the next day..

 

[WesleyInman]

Im going to try the vicaine and test it against tramadol and morphine. Im not sure if there is a better preworkout for me than prescription tramadol @75mg and 250mg caffeine. I seriously feel like I can train for hours on end. With just a any otc pre im running low on fuel by 1.5hrs but with the tramadol I will accidentally stay in the gym for 3hrs. One day I felt so good I did my workout for monday then did half of my workout for the next day..

Great info man, ty for the response. You might like the vicaine too then. Tramadol and Ultram do nothing for me. Its so funny how everyone is so individual, know what I mean. Im curious how you will like it,can you please post up and let me know?

And if you need to use my code its "WES15" over at Invalid Link Removed. Thanks man!!

 

[WesleyInman]

Just a heads up, Heavy Iron finished his Somatozine run for 30 days. His conclusion was this acted like 2-3iu of HGH for him.

Here are his labs. Will update my thread over the weekend with my personal updates:


Heavy Iron's results on Somatozine

The First 30 Days...Just the Beginning

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One of the most interesting characteristics of MK-677, and which is in direct contrast to exogenous growth hormone, is its ability to continue increasing IGF-1 levels over time without a subsequent increase in dose. In multiple clinical trials MK-677 was demonstrated to continue increasing IGF-1 levels for at least one year after commencing treatment, with statistically significant increases being noted at 30 days, 3 months, 6 months, and 1 year.




Prolactin & Cortisol

Unlike nearly every other GH peptide/secretagogue on the market, MK-677 does not increase prolactin or cortisol levels. This has been verified in 100's of test subjects and more recently, by two of our members here, one of whom is Heavy Iron (test results shown in a previous post on this page).




IGFBP-3 levels

In addition to an elevation of GH and IGF-1, MK-677 also increases levels of a protein known as IGFBP-3. This binding protein has significant beneficial effects in terms of IGF-1 potentiation, as it acts as both a carrier (transporting IGF-1 to receptor sites within muscle tissue) and a stabilizer of IGF-1 levels by drastically increasing its half-life in the body. In fact, patients being treated with recombinant IGF-1 are often co-administered an IGFBP-3 elevating agent for this very reason. In short, IGFBP-3 helps you get more out of the IGF-1 your body produces, which is critical for maximizing the recovery and growth response of GH/GH releasing agents.




Ghrelin Mimetic

Perhaps one of MK-677's biggest benefits is its ability to stimulate the appetite. As a ghrelin mimetic (ghrelin is the body's natural "hunger" hormone), MK-677 functions in a dual-capacity, acting as both a GH/IGF-1 booster and appetite enhancer. For those attempting to maximize muscle gain, its appetite stimulating effect should not be underestimated, especially in those with rapid metabolisms or larger bodybuilders requiring a higher food intake. This also holds true for those who follow a "clean" diet, as the monotony of such diets can make long-term adherence difficult. MK-677 can help counteract this by making even boring food seem appealing, thereby improving the individual's likelihood of sticking with their diet.




Extreme Muscle Fullness

Increased muscle fullness (via an increase in intramuscular water retention) is a side effect common to both exogenous growth hormone and GH elevating agents. However, MK-677's potency in this area indicates that there may be other factors at work, as a weight gain of 7-10 lbs (the typical 1st week weight gain with MK-677) usually requires a dose of exogenous growth hormone in the 10 iu range to achieve. The fact that MK-677 can provide similar weight gain (despite producing less than half that amount of GH) leads to the question "how?" While we don't yet have an answer for this, it does suggest that MK-677 may work through pathways other than just GH/IGF-1 elevation to increase muscle size/fullness.




Serum GH Testing

Although one can perform a serum GH test when using MK-677 if desired, they are unreliable for informing us of our true GH output. Why? The pharmacokinetics of the drug prevents it. Unlike exogenous growth hormone, which produces a predictable, fairly stable, and well defined period of elevation post-injection lasting several hours, MK-677 has no single, predictable window during which daily GH output can be accurately measured using conventional guidelines. This is because MK-677 increases both the intensity and frequency of naturally occurring pulsatile GH release. More specifically, MK-677 produces about a dozen different pulses of GH throughout the day, all of which vary in both intensity and duration and are much shorter lasting than the single window of elevation that occurs with exogenous GH. Therefore, when attempting to measure serum GH with MK-677, even if one happens to draw blood during a pulse, there is no way to know at what point in the AUC (area under the curve) our GH levels fell. Furthermore, this would only provide us with information regarding a single pulse, rather than telling us what our total daily GH output is (the sum total of 12 combined pulses). At this point there is no established method of determining MK-induced total GH output with a single blood draw. This is why IGF-1 testing is so important when using any of the GH peptides/secretagogues.




Examining Heavy Iron's Results

When taking into consideration the variance in IGF-1 increases witnessed among study participants, it is apparent that Heavy's 2-3 iu increase is well within the normal range for someone using 25 mg of MK-677 for 30 days, although it should be noted that HI's results were slightly below average (about 25% of individuals will fall within this range). Average increases are generally about 25-30% higher, but when comparing the price of Somatozine to exogenous growth hormone, even a 2-3 iu increase is quite impressive and testifies to MK-677's potency. However, we must keep in mind that these results were achieved after only 30 days of use. Had Heavy Iron continued to use Somatozine (MK-677) for longer than 30 days his IGF-1 levels would have continued to rise; a fact demonstrated in 100's of individuals over numerous clinical studies.

The bottom line is that Heavy Iron's test results, although just one of countless others, is further proof that Somatozine does what it says it does--provide increases in GH/IGF-1 comparable to exogenous GH at a fraction of the price. Combined with Somatozine's (MK-677) other benefits, it is easy to see why even national and pro-level bodybuilders are now including MK-677 in their program. Mk-677 may be the only OTC product (outside of SARM's and designer steroids) capable of providing PED-like results.

 

[hardknock]

Great info man, ty for the response. You might like the vicaine too then. Tramadol and Ultram do nothing for me. Its so funny how everyone is so individual, know what I mean. Im curious how you will like it,can you please post up and let me know?

And if you need to use my code its "WES15" over at Invalid Link Removed. Thanks man!!

Yeah man. Im definitely going to check it out in a week or so.

 

[WesleyInman]

Update:

Now that I am a few weeks in I can honestly really feel both of the products. The vicaine has impressed me. It still works as good as Day 1, though I do take a few days off it, here and there and I think that is part of the reason why. I really like 1 cap of vicaine first thing in the am with breakfast, I feel good and I don't crash. 2 caps works even better, but honestly I do crash when it wears off.


Somatozine. What can I say. Stuff is amazing. I was sick for nearly a week. Went on Z-pack. Noticed that even with sinus infection my appetite was still super strong. Normally, I will lose weight and not be able to eat anything. I weighed in yesterday after finally getting back into the gym. 216lbs!! Even after being sick and having not worked out. I still look full, etc.. and I am up 8lbs so far.


Anyways I trained yesterday and took my Somatozine at night. I can tell my recovery is much improved. I do feel a bit lethargic recently, and that might be bc I was sick, or it might be bc of the Somatozine. Not positive, but I am feeling it..thankfully the Vicaine helps with that.


As for the worst sides I am seeing. Easily my face looks fatter then ever. I am retaining alot of water in my face. I am not taking an anti estrogen or diuretic, not sure if that would reduce this..but look at my face in this picture. Almost unrecognizeable LOL.

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Workout wise, I did a very light session, all high reps just for Day 1 back into the gym to see how I felt.

Workout

Pulldowns

60x20

100x20

150x20

200x10

Seated Military

135x20

135x20

135x20

Wesley Inman Shrugs

45 per hand x20

45x20

45x20


Bicep Curls

20x20

25x20

30x20

Seated Rows

100x20

150x20

200x20


Called it a day. I feel very strong, and rested now. I could have gone much heavier. Actually i did throw in some incline at the end just for giggles, did 135x10, 225x10 and 315x10. What I will say is from being sick my endurance is down.

Other sides..excessive hair growth and darkening of hair on my head. My hair color is usually dirty blonde and now it looks dark brown. My facial hair is coming in thicker and I always have a 5 O'clock shadow. Not a fan of this side, but as they say, it is what it is.

 

[hardknock]

Update:

Now that I am a few weeks in I can honestly really feel both of the products. The vicaine has impressed me. It still works as good as Day 1, though I do take a few days off it, here and there and I think that is part of the reason why. I really like 1 cap of vicaine first thing in the am with breakfast, I feel good and I don't crash. 2 caps works even better, but honestly I do crash when it wears off.


Somatozine. What can I say. Stuff is amazing. I was sick for nearly a week. Went on Z-pack. Noticed that even with sinus infection my appetite was still super strong. Normally, I will lose weight and not be able to eat anything. I weighed in yesterday after finally getting back into the gym. 216lbs!! Even after being sick and having not worked out. I still look full, etc.. and I am up 8lbs so far.


Anyways I trained yesterday and took my Somatozine at night. I can tell my recovery is much improved. I do feel a bit lethargic recently, and that might be bc I was sick, or it might be bc of the Somatozine. Not positive, but I am feeling it..thankfully the Vicaine helps with that.


As for the worst sides I am seeing. Easily my face looks fatter then ever. I am retaining alot of water in my face. I am not taking an anti estrogen or diuretic, not sure if that would reduce this..but look at my face in this picture. Almost unrecognizeable LOL.

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Workout wise, I did a very light session, all high reps just for Day 1 back into the gym to see how I felt.

Workout

Pulldowns

60x20

100x20

150x20

200x10

Seated Military

135x20

135x20

135x20

Wesley Inman Shrugs

45 per hand x20

45x20

45x20


Bicep Curls

20x20

25x20

30x20

Seated Rows

100x20

150x20

200x20


Called it a day. I feel very strong, and rested now. I could have gone much heavier. Actually i did throw in some incline at the end just for giggles, did 135x10, 225x10 and 315x10. What I will say is from being sick my endurance is down.

Other sides..excessive hair growth and darkening of hair on my head. My hair color is usually dirty blonde and now it looks dark brown. My facial hair is coming in thicker and I always have a 5 O'clock shadow. Not a fan of this side, but as they say, it is what it is.

So thus far you haven't noticed anything that would lean towards insulin resistance from the mk?

 

[hardknock]

Yeah man I just tried 2 caps of the vicaine, and ill say its a definite difference verses 300mg of plain caffeine and definitely better than any preworkout that contains "mood enhancers/energy enhancers"

There is a numbing effect associated with it 30-40 mins into taking it. So thus far its definitely an upgrade to any preworkout/mind/body connection etc etc or plain caffeine. Its feels close to 300mg caffeine with 75mg of tramadol to me so far but funny thing is 2 caps doesn't contain 300mg of caffeine.

Pretty damn impressed with it. I could see how 3 caps would make one feel extreme "euphoria" to a point of anxiety.

Peripheral vision is definitely stimulated to me at least. I feel my eyes jumping from person to person and I can see all definitions on a person's face instantly (so it seems). Things to the side of me are clear in my vision instantly.

And the caffeine here isnt driving this product because 2 caps really doesn't contain that much caffeine so the other ingredients are definitely providing the overall benefits.