Wesley VS. S23 (sarm)

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What's up everyone. I reached out to BTP Creations (www.btpcreations.com) and requested to do a Log on the Sarm S23. Reason being, it is one of the best Sarms in my opinion and it is also one of the least known about and/or reviewed Sarm out there. There's not a ton of info on it anywhere. The thing I hear alot with Bodybuilders or Gym Rats is that "Sarms are useless". Which of course is a completely dumb statement. Not everything is Anadrol. To be quite honest, the majority of my PT and Supp clients actually are natural or seeking low dose HRT or Sarms, etc. (also worthy of mention are Ostarine and LGD)

S23 (defined)-

S23
is an orally bioavailable, nonsteroidal selective androgen receptor modulator (SARM) that has been proven to increase lean muscle and bone tissue while being tissue selective (unlike traditional steroids).
Studies and user reports suggest that S23 is the closest SARM to steroids, with a few key differences, such as decreased prostate size. Other user reports suggest that S23 is a much more powerful version of S4 Andarine) and the benefits of this SARM falls in the category of hardening muscle and creating a grainier aesthetic look.



I am not affiliated with BTP Creations and they did not pay me to review this product. I did receive my product free of charge. I will leave a fair and unbiased review including any benefits, and side effects, based on the following criteria below:

Strength
Muscle Hardness
Size
Endurance
Cardio Function
Vascularity
Aggression
Anger
Depression
Overall Mood
Acne
Oily Skin
Changes in mood/temperment
Agression in the Gym
How this effects Sex
Sex Drive
Any sexually related issues
Nightmares
Night Sweats
Any conversion to gyno/pre-gyno
liver or kidney issues if they present themselves
Hair thinning
Hair Darkening
Hair growth



I will also be noting various other experiences while on. I am currently on 100% legal prescribed HRT and have been for many years on and off. I have a script for 100mgs of Cyp every 4th day. I am currently around 210lbs BF. I will be using 45mgs of S23 daily broken into 1-3 dosages. I have not decided yet but will comment as we go along. 30mgs per day is a pretty standard dosage, so 45mgs will be considered high.

The main 3 benefits discussed with S23 are:

1) Lean Muscle Gains
2) Strength Gains
3) Bodyfat loss


I will be increasing Cals at least 500 cals per day. I do have some other products (not anabolics) that are OTC that I will be using along side this run and I will post some photos and description of those as we go along.

I will do my best to update this log every few days. I may throw in some workout routines I did that day or some videos, just like some of my other logs if you have ever seen those. If you have questions or even product questions please let me know and I will do my best to respond.

Thanks everyone for following along!

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Discount code is "SAVE10" in the event you wish to purchase your own.




 

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Love s23. Going to finish my cycle off with it. Start Sunday. Following along
 
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Awesome i'll get in on this!
 
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What is your previous experience with sarms/ph/roids?
Thanks everyone!!

Brienn I have used AAS on and off for 20+ years. I have had an HRT script since i was 25? So 16 years... Every compound you can imagine. Competed 100+ times in 4 sports but am currently retired (strongman, bodybuilding, PL and highland games)

Sarms wise, I have used Ostarine, LGD, SR9009, Rad140, MK677 extensively though I know this is not a SARM. S4.. I can't even think of what else.

Pretty much everything LOL.
 

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Thanks everyone!!

Brienn I have used AAS on and off for 20+ years. I have had an HRT script since i was 25? So 16 years... Every compound you can imagine. Competed 100+ times in 4 sports but am currently retired (strongman, bodybuilding, PL and highland games)

Sarms wise, I have used Ostarine, LGD, SR9009, Rad140, MK677 extensively though I know this is not a SARM. S4.. I can't even think of what else.

Pretty much everything LOL.
Hahaha roger that. Just wanted to make sure you’re prepared. I love s23 but it’s the closest to a ph/ds I’ve taken. I’ve ran it a few times and loved it. and 45 is a pretty hefty dose. Highest I’ve been to was 35.
 
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Hahaha roger that. Just wanted to make sure you’re prepared. I love s23 but it’s the closest to a ph/ds I’ve taken. I’ve ran it a few times and loved it. and 45 is a pretty hefty dose. Highest I’ve been to was 35.
Would you mind giving me a more detailed explanation of what exactly you noticed effects and or sides wise? And what if any PH, or AAS would you compare this to?

I think having multiple feedback inside this thread will make it that much for valuable to a newbie to S23 who is thinking about using. Would be much appreciated. Thank you sir :)
 

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Would you mind giving me a more detailed explanation of what exactly you noticed effects and or sides wise? And what if any PH, or AAS would you compare this to?

I think having multiple feedback inside this thread will make it that much for valuable to a newbie to S23 who is thinking about using. Would be much appreciated. Thank you sir :)
Increase in vascularity, strength, body fat drops. Aggression goes up a bit. If I had to compare to anything, maybe H-drol? But I prefer s23 to hdrol tho. Almost a tbol type reaction for me.
 

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And as far as sides, your liver isn’t going to be happy haha Darker urine and a shorter fuse. The shutdown was brutal but with trt that’s no problem.
 
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Update Day 2

So yesterday I went and trained after taking 2 capsules. I was super super sore from my previous workout, I probably should have rested, but instead I went in and did some very light sets of Incline Bench Press varying my grip up on each set and resting in between sets maybe 90 seconds.

Incline Bench Press
135x10
135x20
135x20
225x10
225x10
225x10
135 to failure? 40 or 50 reps.. I lost count.

WesleyInman Trap routine (did the complete routine as seen in video)

So anyways, I did notice I had a light headache right before I got to the gym and that was about an hour after I took my 2nd dosage. I did 3 doses yesterday.

I can't attribute that headache to the S23 yet. But I will watch to see if this spikes my BP. If anything I am willing to bet its my Nootropic aka Alpha Mood, or maybe even the combo of the Alpha and the S23? Let's see what happens.

Also I forgot to mention. I do use a prescribed BP med. Propanolol. Also I use a Nootropic (Alpha Mind)with a stimulant as well as drink coffee

I use LIV52 daily, Nexium and Veda Gest for Digestion (I am logging that now too)


Here is a little bit of my Stash if you wanna take a look...Please no questions on any of the RC. If you need those items (exem, Tada or FL Modafinil) you can use my code "WES15" at checkout for 15% off at www.maresearchchems.com

Anyways I am going to take 2 caps of S23 today at once and see how I feel after that (BP, or other)

I'm still sore a bit today but will hit the gym again. Might do some light leg work, not sure.

But reason I am hitting gym even when I am sore, is because my time is limited. I may miss the entire weekend. At my age with work and kids, this is what I have to do sadly, even though it is not optimal IMO.

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is s23 a good kickstarter in place of dboll ( too much water weight ) for a cycle say test and eq? Also how long can you run s23 and is there a big difference in yk11 as that is the other sarm i hear that is most like steroids.
 
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I'll have to add that exercise to my back day when i do traps!
 

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is s23 a good kickstarter in place of dboll ( too much water weight ) for a cycle say test and eq? Also how long can you run s23 and is there a big difference in yk11 as that is the other sarm i hear that is most like steroids.
I’d say it’s a good kick starter. I started my cycle with 4 weeks of dbol and I’m taking s23 the last 6 weeks. S23 really dries me out and helps with vascularity. Depending on your cycle history, you can think about that. S23 is the closest to real steroids (in my opinion)and I prefer it over some phs/steroids. Yk-11 isn’t too bad but s23 all day.
 

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What's up everyone. I reached out to BTP Creations (www.btpcreations.com) and requested to do a Log on the Sarm S23. Reason being, it is one of the best Sarms in my opinion and it is also one of the least known about and/or reviewed Sarm out there. There's not a ton of info on it anywhere. The thing I hear alot with Bodybuilders or Gym Rats is that "Sarms are useless". Which of course is a completely dumb statement. Not everything is Anadrol. To be quite honest, the majority of my PT and Supp clients actually are natural or seeking low dose HRT or Sarms, etc. (also worthy of mention are Ostarine and LGD)

S23 (defined)-
S23
is an orally bioavailable, nonsteroidal selective androgen receptor modulator (SARM) that has been proven to increase lean muscle and bone tissue while being tissue selective (unlike traditional steroids).
Studies and user reports suggest that S23 is the closest SARM to steroids, with a few key differences, such as decreased prostate size. Other user reports suggest that S23 is a much more powerful version of S4 Andarine) and the benefits of this SARM falls in the category of hardening muscle and creating a grainier aesthetic look.



I am not affiliated with BTP Creations and they did not pay me to review this product. I did receive my product free of charge. I will leave a fair and unbiased review including any benefits, and side effects, based on the following criteria below:

Strength
Muscle Hardness
Size
Endurance
Cardio Function
Vascularity
Aggression
Anger
Depression
Overall Mood
Acne
Oily Skin
Changes in mood/temperment
Agression in the Gym
How this effects Sex
Sex Drive
Any sexually related issues
Nightmares
Night Sweats
Any conversion to gyno/pre-gyno
liver or kidney issues if they present themselves
Hair thinning
Hair Darkening
Hair growth



I will also be noting various other experiences while on. I am currently on 100% legal prescribed HRT and have been for many years on and off. I have a script for 100mgs of Cyp every 4th day. I am currently around 210lbs BF. I will be using 45mgs of S23 daily broken into 1-3 dosages. I have not decided yet but will comment as we go along. 30mgs per day is a pretty standard dosage, so 45mgs will be considered high.

The main 3 benefits discussed with S23 are:
1) Lean Muscle Gains
2) Strength Gains
3) Bodyfat loss


I will be increasing Cals at least 500 cals per day. I do have some other products (not anabolics) that are OTC that I will be using along side this run and I will post some photos and description of those as we go along.

I will do my best to update this log every few days. I may throw in some workout routines I did that day or some videos, just like some of my other logs if you have ever seen those. If you have questions or even product questions please let me know and I will do my best to respond.

Thanks everyone for following along!

BTPCREATIONS


Discount code is "SAVE10" in the event you wish to purchase your own.




Do you have liver support? If not, you will need some. I suggest 1000 mg TUDCA and some NAC.
 

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What's up everyone. I reached out to BTP Creations (www.btpcreations.com) and requested to do a Log on the Sarm S23. Reason being, it is one of the best Sarms in my opinion and it is also one of the least known about and/or reviewed Sarm out there. There's not a ton of info on it anywhere. The thing I hear alot with Bodybuilders or Gym Rats is that "Sarms are useless". Which of course is a completely dumb statement. Not everything is Anadrol. To be quite honest, the majority of my PT and Supp clients actually are natural or seeking low dose HRT or Sarms, etc. (also worthy of mention are Ostarine and LGD)

S23 (defined)-
S23
is an orally bioavailable, nonsteroidal selective androgen receptor modulator (SARM) that has been proven to increase lean muscle and bone tissue while being tissue selective (unlike traditional steroids).
Studies and user reports suggest that S23 is the closest SARM to steroids, with a few key differences, such as decreased prostate size. Other user reports suggest that S23 is a much more powerful version of S4 Andarine) and the benefits of this SARM falls in the category of hardening muscle and creating a grainier aesthetic look.



I am not affiliated with BTP Creations and they did not pay me to review this product. I did receive my product free of charge. I will leave a fair and unbiased review including any benefits, and side effects, based on the following criteria below:

Strength
Muscle Hardness
Size
Endurance
Cardio Function
Vascularity
Aggression
Anger
Depression
Overall Mood
Acne
Oily Skin
Changes in mood/temperment
Agression in the Gym
How this effects Sex
Sex Drive
Any sexually related issues
Nightmares
Night Sweats
Any conversion to gyno/pre-gyno
liver or kidney issues if they present themselves
Hair thinning
Hair Darkening
Hair growth



I will also be noting various other experiences while on. I am currently on 100% legal prescribed HRT and have been for many years on and off. I have a script for 100mgs of Cyp every 4th day. I am currently around 210lbs BF. I will be using 45mgs of S23 daily broken into 1-3 dosages. I have not decided yet but will comment as we go along. 30mgs per day is a pretty standard dosage, so 45mgs will be considered high.

The main 3 benefits discussed with S23 are:
1) Lean Muscle Gains
2) Strength Gains
3) Bodyfat loss


I will be increasing Cals at least 500 cals per day. I do have some other products (not anabolics) that are OTC that I will be using along side this run and I will post some photos and description of those as we go along.

I will do my best to update this log every few days. I may throw in some workout routines I did that day or some videos, just like some of my other logs if you have ever seen those. If you have questions or even product questions please let me know and I will do my best to respond.

Thanks everyone for following along!

BTPCREATIONS


Discount code is "SAVE10" in the event you wish to purchase your own.




Man, BTP has some good designers on their website. Are they new to the scene? Are they a board sponsor?
 
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Thanks everyone for following. Multi Quote isn't working so I will try my best to respond to everyone.

Thanks @Beau

@ValiantThor08 I will not have before and afters sir. I don't have all that much time tbh. But I will give an idea of bodyfat lost and weight gained!

@jtbull I like sarms as replacements for oral steroids. Will s23 be comparable to dbol? Absolutely not but it has been often been compared to similar gains of anavar and tbol. I will compare this to an oral AAS when I am done. I have never used it at 45mgs so I truly cannot say yet.

@LeanEngineer thank you sir

@JoePaul39 yes sir I am using LIV52 sir from India. I also sell it on my store www.gymntonic.com
Also BTP is not a board sponsor and they do have some great products. Shhhhhhh LOL. Don't spread the word too loudly!!

@ValiantThor08 I tried their PWO. It's solid, but it has Beta Alanine in it, and I hate that compound. I have a few guys using it now and they love it. And as for their product line. Shhhhh LOL. Don't tell anyone please. We gotta keep that low key!
 
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Update Saturday June 8

I took 30mgs of s23 and had a huge meal around noon time yesterday. Hit the gym about 1 hour exactly later.

I wanted to just stay in the Squat rack and hit some very light weight, super deep and nice slow and controlled. Not sure everyone here knows but I tore my quad 100% off the bone 3 years ago, squatting. Was in PT for a year and it has healed but is not 100% rom. My strength on deadlift is back to about 90%. I hit 500 x 10 reps last week with ease. But my squat is not even close to back. I have been doing 315 at most, and I am scared to go any heavier. My max squat ever weighing 220lbs was around 785lbs.

Here is right after I tore it off the bone and the picture after the surgery too. They did 4 vertical holes through the kneecap. The bone was so strong that the drillbit broke off and I still have a bit in my kneecap. Otherwise they took Kevlar aka bulletproof material and tied that to the heads of the quads. Pulled the quad back into place and then ran the kevlar through the kneecap and sewed it in below the kneecaps. Supposedly it is far stronger then it could ever be naturally now.

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Feel free to check out some of my old Squat footage in Wesley VS squat police

Ok so workout wise here is what I did:

Squat
135x10
135x10
135x20
225x10
225x10
225x10
225x20

Donkey Calf Raises

200x10
300x10
400(rack)x10

What I will say is I 100% felt the s23. My CNS felt awesome on the weights today. I felt very sturdy and all muscles were firing very firm, if that makes sense. Aka my stability muscles all felt in overdrive. I felt a tiny bit of aggression. I did not notice any spike in blood pressure, but also oddly, my endurance was off the chart. I mean even sets of 20 I was not out of breathe, etc. I def noticed the increased abilities in this workout even though it was low.

So far so good. I will be taking S23 on off days too, just FYI. Will try and do 15mgs 3x per day on off days.
 
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Agreed. 405 squat as easy as you did it with hands on the bar is impressive. Then doing it no hands!
That is an impressive squat.
Thank you both very much!

Update Tuesday 6/11


Still been running the product as stated. 3x per day on off days and 2 caps preworkout on workout days and 1 in the am on workout days.

So far still good. Just still noticed on my last few workouts the same thing I mentioned about my CNS feeling more stable on workout days. The other compound I noticed this same thing on in the past was Trest. I just feel way better during the workout and weights go up nice and smooth.

Definitely finding this product helps motivate me get into the gym..

Still soon to really notice anything else but will keep you guys updated again shortly.
 
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Update 6/14

Hit some shoulders yesterday. Little bit of traps too on a different machine.
Won't list the workout today but a few things I noticed today:

Looking at my reflection doing the Seated Dumbells, I swear I have more separation in my biceps and triceps already. I def visibly can notice I look a bit grainer or harder from using the S23. So this was cool to see. I do feel a little bigger to be honest, I always can notice in how my shirts fit, and they def feel a tiny big tighter for fact. I also am noticing that I am retaining some water in my face...

My diet hasn't been too clean, nor too bad, but I am thinking this is from the S23.

I also am shaving every single day which I hate. But I def have more facial hair trying to come in and it's super dark too. Annoying but it very commonly happens to me with orals or anabolics.

Workout have been awesome on S23. I have been taking this new nootropic I have called HAPPY BEE- 1 hour prior. And the S23 1-2 hours prior.

Works super well. Another thing about this S23, I am super motivated to train on it.




Just for kicks and giggles my daughter and I dug out some of my old Strongman/Bodybuilding stuff.. WSM + Staff I.D's.
I worked for Worlds Strongest Man, Americas Strongest Man and Europa from I believe 2007-2013. Madison used to come with me on the floor before and after WSM contests. She loved every minute of it. We used to get VIP seats for my family and friends.
My favorite shows were prob Madison Square Garden 2011? Mohegan Sun 2010 when Poundstone beat Pudzianowski. And 2009 when my brother in Law Paul bet Pudzianowski $5 bucks that Terry Hollands would beat him in the Yoke. Mariusz lost and had to borrow $5 bucks from someone to pay him LMAO.

Back at the gym today and probably again Sunday. Will report anything new shortly.

Wondering if I should try the entire 45mgs PWO. Thinking I may even do it today. Why not?
 
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Wondering if I should try the entire 45mgs PWO. Thinking I may even do it today. Why not?
Go big or go home on the pre I guess:)

But working at the WSM sounds pretty sweet!
 
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Bet he was sweating bullets trying to find 5 bucks
LOL there is alot more to the story actually. I got them front row seats, literally directly next to the Athletes. Now this one particular show was at Mohegan Sun Casino in Connecticut. And so literally half the crowd is Polish and the other half is rooting for the US. And there's like 7-10K people there. And my brother in law was yelling and talking trash to Mariusz the entire time. I was starting to get worried they would be pissed off at me, not to mention, who talks trash to Pudzianowski? The guy would smash pretty much anyone.

Anyways Mariusz ended up loving Paul (my bro-in-law) and after he lost the bet, being a good sport Mariusz went over to the Polish Judge that was there, asked him for $5 dollars with the judge looking at him like he was insane. Then I convinced Mariusz to take a picture with Paul.

Great memories and he was a good sport.
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Loved watching Mariusz and Derek Poundstone in the WSM. Both were tanks and probably could have stepped foot on the bb stage if they really wanted.
 
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Loved watching Mariusz and Derek Poundstone in the WSM. Both were tanks and probably could have stepped foot on the bb stage if they really wanted.

For sure. Not sure if you know but Poundstone was my training partner for a solid decade. I rarely see him these days since he moved about an hour south of me. But we still chat here and there. I always tried to get him into bodybuilding. He could have easily done it too. We actually used to run a mile once in awhile with our crew. I was 220lbs and Derek actually still would beat me (granted I am a sprinter) but he was weighing 350+ at the time. He's a remarkable athlete. Not human actually. Mariusz is fighting in MMA nowadays.

 
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That's pretty awesome! Wish he would have tried bodybuilding for a little before his career ended.

I wouldn't want to step in the ring with Mariusz knowing he's got so many WSM titles haha
 
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Update 6/21/2019

Still running the S23 at 45mgs. Still been doing the 2 caps PWO and 1 cap in early am.

So far no real different changes to be honest. I have noticed 2 small things that I am unsure of. My quad where my tear was has been SUPER dry and tight. My ROM is worse then normal. And I feel dehydrated. My eyes feel dry and are bloodshot in the am. Almost like I am seeing signs of dehydration. Now I do not know if this is allergies, or if this is relative to S23. I can't tell for sure because to be honest, the eyes, it feels how allergies would. But the fact my previously torn quad is feeling deyhdrated stumps me. It is only ever acting like this when I am super dehydrated.

Now s23 is known to remove water from the muscle and body, so maybe is this from the S23? If it is, it's not a deal breaker, but I am trying to get all the data I can on this product so I will continue to keep an eye out.

Workout Today
Biceps and Back

Hit some Seated Rows, Straight Bar Curls for reps of 20. I did some pulldowns. I did some EZ Bar curls. I was staying a bit ligher rather then go heavier.

i did some WesleyInman Curls, which is my own creation, here is a video from 3 years old that I have to show you what these are. Fast forward to 1:20 to see the actual exericise:

Will report back more info on the S23 this weekend.

Another thing to mention, which I already did. I am shaving like daily and the hair on my face is coming in WAY thicker and WAY darker. My facial hair is never this dark.

 

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I know in my experiences it will dry you out. My joints are usually pretty beat up on it but I’m running npp and no signs of joint issues.
 
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Cool exercise! Will have to try it out on my next bi/tri day!
 
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I know in my experiences it will dry you out. My joints are usually pretty beat up on it but I’m running npp and no signs of joint issues.
Good to know. I am super super dry, more so then ever right now, on any compound to be honest, including winny.

Cool exercise! Will have to try it out on my next bi/tri day!
Awesome hope you like it!!

Like those curls. Adding to repertoire
Ty sir, and enjoy, high reps really blow my arms up especially if I take a pump product before hand I have huge pumps for an hour or two afterwards LOL


Update 6/24

Been several more days and the drying in my eyes is worse as is the dryness in the muscles in my repaired quad. To the point where it's beyond uncomfortable. So at this point what I am going to do, is pull the S23 for a few days, maybe even a week. See if these issues subside. If they don't and the dryness and eye irritation continues I will need to see an allergist bc it's the worst I have ever had and my eyes feel very itchy all the time. If it goes away, I will re-introduce the s23 and then see if these same symptoms return.

In the meantime I will be still training as usual.

Also for now, if I had to compare this to any compound that comes to mind...I would probably say it feels an awful lot like high dose Epistane did, except high dose Epistane gave me irritability and aggression. This did not yet. So I will be back to report in a few days :)
 
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Update 7/2/2019


Ok so I took off about 5 days. It took me a day or two to get out of my system. I noticed within 48 hours my eyes were way less itchy and bloodshot. My leg was so hard and achey for a good 48 hours after discontinuation. Then it all resolved. I re-dosed and I immediately the same day started feeling the itchiness coming back. So I hate to report this, but this is 100% this compound causing these issues for me. And honestly I have always heard people complain about Vision issues w certain sarms, especially S4 but there really is not enough feedback on S23. I have to admit my dosaging is super high. I see many people dose even 10mgs, so 45mgs is def up there. Something to consider.

What I will say is this and it is important. Never have I taken a compound that made me feel so dehydrated and hard and grainy feeling so quick as this. Not superdrol. Not winstrol, not var, not epiandro, not randro. Not Masteron. NOTHING. So with that being said I do believe this may be vital. This might possibly be one of the very best body recomp products that exists. If you ran this just before competing I cannot think of any compound that has dried me out like this. Bodybuilding might be sitting on a gold mine in this compound and not know it.

So anyways, what I meant to say is I am pulling the log. You see the eyes sucks but I could lower the dose and see if it subsides, EXCEPT...the stiffness in my leg. After not being able to walk for 3 months, a huge surgery and PT for 3x a week for a year. I'm not taking chances. My quad was so tight and hard and I refuse to be stupid enough to possibly damage it again after all I have been through. So huge apology, except I did run this long enough to give my review and I genuinely believe it to be accurate. Thanks to everyone for following along:



Strength - Def saw strength improvements similar to say Anavar
Muscle Hardness- Extreme hardening of muscles. Greater then any other compound I have ever used, and I have used them all...
Size- Over 3 weeks I def saw small lean gains. My clothes fit tighter. Again think a DHT compound, that is what the gains felt like.
Endurance- Shockingly that is one thing I did see. Great endurance on this, especially when used PWO. Why? I am unsure.
Cardio Function- LIke I said above, endurance and cardio were improved using this PWO.
Vascularity- Yes, increased vascularity for sure. Noticeable within 1-2 weeks.
Aggression- None
Anger- None
Depression- None
Overall Mood- Slightly improved, but more so I think because I was motivated to workout more and I also had better workouts.
Acne- I did notice one or two pimples pop up, which for me is rare, but who knows , might be coincidence
Oily Skin- Scalp seemed a bit oily on it
Changes in mood/temperment- Not really any changes except like I said, more motivated
Agression in the Gym- Wouldn't say Aggression, but def Improved workouts
How this effects Sex- Didn't notice much difference but also did not use it immediately prior just to test out
Sex Drive- Really unchanged
Any sexually related issues- Did not notice
Nightmares- Did not notice
Night Sweats- None
Any conversion to gyno/pre-gyno- Def won't this is very very dry compound, not wet.
liver or kidney issues if they present themselves- I did not see any liver/kidney symptoms but I do think at 45mgs this is going to be pretty toxic
Hair thinning- I didn't lose any hair but I do think this might cause some hair thinning due to the extreme deyhdration alone
Hair Darkening- Def 100%. Hair on my head and face was way darker
Hair growth- Facial hair grew in super fast. Way faster then normal.
 

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sounds like this might be an affordable anavar also my understanding is anavar and primobolin are two of the most faked drugs out there? Did you take liver support with this or not need it?
 
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Sad to here you have to end the log:( Glad you were able to get enough results from it to give an honest review/feedback.
 
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sounds like this might be an affordable anavar also my understanding is anavar and primobolin are two of the most faked drugs out there? Did you take liver support with this or not need it?
Yes sir I was using LIV52 and Nac.

Sad to here you have to end the log:( Glad you were able to get enough results from it to give an honest review/feedback.

Yeah man ty for following along and all your feedback :)
 

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Yes sir I was using LIV52 and Nac.




Yeah man ty for following along and all your feedback :)
How much NAC and liv52 again? I have some DBOl and was told when i run it to get that rich piana stuff he has on ebay still. Its like $25 a bottle. I have 100 10mg pills and am debating if i want to run 30mg per day for 33 days, or i think i could do 25 mg for like 6 weeks. Seems many think 30 is min on it but i would be taking it with 300-400mg of test plus 500 of eq or i might save the dbol and eq and go with 600mg week of test
 
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I use 3 liv 52 per day and I use 1500mgs of NAC daily. So literally 1 cap of Nac and 1 liv52 3x per day :)
 
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I never ran s4 high enough to compare it to the S23 tbh. I always heard of weird vision issues so I low dosed it, so in all fairness I don't feel I can give an accurate answer to your question. Sorry man.
 

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