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Week 4 of PCT and No libido

Goliath1 said:
What's your reference range on that number they gave you? Should be next to the number somewhere.

Get on that adex heavily or some Letro..
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I didnt get the actual report yet. They will mail me; but I asked the same question and he said the range says it should be less than 200. I did some research and apparently Total Estrogen is not the same as estradiol. Total estrogen measures all 3 estrogen hormones including estradiol. I have 16 pills of Letro. I dont know what the dosage is but it's pharm grade and I know they usually dispense it at 2.5mg. I have read posts saying to take only 0.25 and work up to 0.5mg but Im assuming that's if you're just trying to keep your levels in check. Am I right? How much dosage and for how long?
 
Goliath1 said:
What other supps or etc are you using now?
Then I'll answer that question[

I began my PCT with 50mg of Clomid and 20mg of Novladex everyday for 4 weeks.
I continued that in my 5th week but then added Recompadrol and SageMed. A couple of days later I added Mass Ar***** X-Treme. 2 Days ago I added 0.5mg of Caber (because my lab results showed my Prolactine at 18), and 0.5mg of Adex, DHEA at 50mcg and L-Argenine at 500mcg.
Today is day 2 of my 6th and final week of PCT and so far I've only taken the Clomid, Adex, Caber and X-Treme.
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That's explains a lot..
Why are you running such a long pct..
Your labs came back, your recovered minus the estrogen issues.. Your only making them worse at this point..

Drop all that ****, I'd stay on the serm though for the time being, probably the only reason you don't have boobs growing..

Start dosing the adex higher or pop those rLetro tabs.. People say to start at a lower dose and gradually go up, I did it this way when I got gyno..

But if I was you, I'd pop them at 2.5..
It shouldn't take long, you'll know when estrogen is low..

Your Test levels are going to go up also as estrogen lowers..
 
Goliath1 said:
That's explains a lot..
Why are you running such a long pct..
Your labs came back, your recovered minus the estrogen issues.. Your only making them worse at this point..

Drop all that ****, I'd stay on the serm though for the time being, probably the only reason you don't have boobs growing..

Start dosing the adex higher or pop those rLetro tabs.. People say to start at a lower dose and gradually go up, I did it this way when I got gyno..

But if I was you, I'd pop them at 2.5..
It shouldn't take long, you'll know when estrogen is low..

Your Test levels are going to go up also as estrogen lowers..
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So I should drop the Clomid and everything else but keep the Novladex? And when you say "pop" the Letros, should I take them everyday or EOD?
 
JoeBrooklyn said:
So I should drop the Clomid and everything else but keep the Novladex? And when you say "pop" the Letros, should I take them everyday or EOD?
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I would keep on the Nolva just until your estrogen is in check.. Once it's in check, drop the Nolva and slowly taper off you AI..

EOD will work, Letro is strong an you have pharma.. Either way, you just want to lower your estrogen, however you do it..
 
Goliath1 said:
I would keep on the Nolva just until your estrogen is in check.. Once it's in check, drop the Nolva and slowly taper off you AI..

EOD will work, Letro is strong an you have pharma.. Either way, you just want to lower your estrogen, however you do it..
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Ok, will do. I will take the 20mg of Novladex everyday and 2.5mg of Letrozole EOD. I had estrogen issues before and it literally took about 6 days for my levels to get back to normal. I guess I will schedule another blood test in in exactly 7 days from now.
 
JoeBrooklyn said:
Ok, will do. I will take the 20mg of Novladex everyday and 2.5mg of Letrozole EOD. I had estrogen issues before and it literally took about 6 days for my levels to get back to normal. I guess I will schedule another blood test in in exactly 7 days from now.
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It should drop quick, like you stated..
Id wait longer than 7 days, but if money doesn't matter, by all means..
 
I guess my last question is, how the hell did this happen? Was my Adex BS? Or was the 0.5mg dosage Every three days not the right dosage? Or was it that those last two weeks when I injected 1,250mg of Test E instead of 625mg and didn't adjust my Adex dosage accordingly or was it that I should have been on an AI even on PCT?
 
Could be everything bro, your serms are increasing that number as we'll..

Everything plays a role, gotta find that balance.
 
I recently got some bunk RC Arimidex that had my estradiol at 352.

But I also think the .5mg 3x a week would not be enough for 1250mg of Test.

Some guys need .5 EOD when only using 500mg of test.

I guess you know now to bump that Arimidex up or try a different brand next time.

Do what Goliath said and jump on the letro for a week and then you can start cutting those tabs in half to 1.25 EOD after you see next weeks bloods

Good luck

I'll be checking in since we are in similar situations.
 
smshannon001 said:
I recently got some bunk RC Arimidex that had my estradiol at 352.

But I also think the .5mg 3x a week would not be enough for 1250mg of Test.

Some guys need .5 EOD when only using 500mg of test.

I guess you know now to bump that Arimidex up or try a different brand next time.

Do what Goliath said and jump on the letro for a week and then you can start cutting those tabs in half to 1.25 EOD after you see next weeks bloods

Good luck

I'll be checking in since we are in similar situations.
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Thank you. So next time I do 625mg of Test E (The 1250mg was a screw up on my part, I forgot I had 500mg vile and for 2 weeks injected 2 1/2 ccs, effectively 1250mg) I should do 0.75mg EOD? How much when on PCT? I believe now that an AI should continue through PCT. I will keep you posted.
And by the way, when I posted my libido is back, it seems to come and go every 3 or 4 days. I dont know what that means.
 
I think aromasin is better in pct being suicidal and I read somewhere it increases free test and igf 25-30%

Out right now and can't get the info, someone else prob has the exact amount off the top of their head
 
smshannon001 said:
I think aromasin is better in pct being suicidal and I read somewhere it increases free test and igf 25-30%

Out right now and can't get the info, someone else prob has the exact amount off the top of their head
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Thank you. Problem is I have no Aromasin and all my suppliers don't sell it.
 
JoeBrooklyn said:
I know. If worse comes to worse I will buy the research stuff but I try to avoid it. I hate the measuring and the horrible taste.
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The taste I can get over. RC clomid makes my whole mouth numb.

The measuring I prefer to pills actually.

I want to try 6.25mg ED of aromasin next cycle instead of 12.5 EOD. The tabs would be annoying to cut that small. So the liquid dosing is easier.

However, pharma is always better and i learned the hard way!
 
smshannon001 said:
The taste I can get over. RC clomid makes my whole mouth numb.

The measuring I prefer to pills actually.

I want to try 6.25mg ED of aromasin next cycle instead of 12.5 EOD. The tabs would be annoying to cut that small. So the liquid dosing is easier.

However, pharma is always better and i learned the hard way!
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Get a pill cutter. They are like $1.00 and super easy to use.
 
smshannon001 said:
I recently got some bunk RC Arimidex that had my estradiol at 352.

But I also think the .5mg 3x a week would not be enough for 1250mg of Test.

Some guys need .5 EOD when only using 500mg of test.

I guess you know now to bump that Arimidex up or try a different brand next time.

Do what Goliath said and jump on the letro for a week and then you can start cutting those tabs in half to 1.25 EOD after you see next weeks bloods

Good luck

I'll be checking in since we are in similar situations.
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I agree on increasing adex if on thatuch test. And also I think everyone should always have two different brands of pct products so if one is bunk or has problems you have something else to turn to right away. That's what I do just to try and avoid these situations. Although I might just be super paranoid haha. Good luck with everything op
 
Well just because you finish PCT doeasnt mean your fully recovered.. PCT helps but does not mean day after PCT your 100% good.. PACt + a month then start to worry. I also rec CIA or V during this time to atleast it workes still..
 
Blergs said:
Well just because you finish PCT doeasnt mean your fully recovered.. PCT helps but does not mean day after PCT your 100% good.. PACt + a month then start to worry. I also rec CIA or V during this time to atleast it workes still..
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What's PACt?
 
And this is why it is important to have pre and post cycle labs done. Then you would have a baseline of where your levels should be and if they aren't back yet you can extend pct a few weeks. Maybe your pct meds were under dosed
 
Viking23 said:
And this is why it is important to have pre and post cycle labs done. Then you would have a baseline of where your levels should be and if they aren't back yet you can extend pct a few weeks. Maybe your pct meds were under dosed
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I normally do; but I dont need pre cycle labs to know that total estrogen of 1,286 is too high.
I think my problem was two fold. 1-I under dosed my AI. I should have taken .75mg ever day instead of .5mg ever three days with Adex and when I did the 1,250mg of Test E the last 2 weeks I should have done 1.25mg everyday.
Lastly, I now believe that you need an AI on PCT as well.
 
I'd switch to aromasin for pct.

I'm going to try aromasin instead of Arimidex next cycle for estro control the whole way through
 
I'd never use adex personally.. I can get more bang for my buck with letro..

But I'm using aromasin now and in pct..
But I have plenty of Letro on hand if need be..
 
Goliath1 said:
I'd never use adex personally.. I can get more bang for my buck with letro..

But I'm using aromasin now and in pct..
But I have plenty of Letro on hand if need be..
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But Letro is very, very strong. Without having bloods every 2 weeks you may easily go too low with estrogen.
 
JoeBrooklyn said:
But Letro is very, very strong. Without having bloods every 2 weeks you may easily go too low with estrogen.
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The 98% estro reduction of letro was shown in women.
It is strong, I agree, but with it's long half life you could dose it 2x a week for on cycle control.
 
smshannon001 said:
The 98% estro reduction of letro was shown in women.
It is strong, I agree, but with it's long half life you could dose it 2x a week for on cycle control.
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I had a high estrogen reading a couple of years ago and took 2.5mg of letro everyday and in 5 days I was back to normal.
 
I went to the doctor today to get the referral for Saturday's blood test. I have been taking Letro at 2.5mg per day for 4 days. How long does it take for it to take a effect? I remember last time I had this issue it knocked it out in 6 days.
 
JoeBrooklyn said:
I went to the doctor today to get the referral for Saturday's blood test. I have been taking Letro at 2.5mg per day for 4 days. How long does it take for it to take a effect? I remember last time I had this issue it knocked it out in 6 days.
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I think the half life of letro is 4 days so you should be at pretty stable levels in the blood and estro should be going down.

I'm getting bloods done in a day or 2 (after 1 week pct) to see where I'm at.

Let us know ur results when u get them in a few days.
 
smshannon001 said:
I think the half life of letro is 4 days so you should be at pretty stable levels in the blood and estro should be going down.

I'm getting bloods done in a day or 2 (after 1 week pct) to see where I'm at.

Let us know ur results when u get them in a few days.
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So I should keep taking the 2.5mg per day until when?
 
^^^ this

It's worth the $50ish labs
 
smshannon001 said:
^^^ this

It's worth the $50ish labs
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Ok, but my blood test won't be until Saturday and I will not get the results until next Saturday. I have been taking Letrozole at 2.5mg per day since Sunday. If I stop next Saturday that will be 13 days. I dont know anyone who has been on it that long and am worried that I may reduce my estrogen too low.
 
I just had my bloods again. Ofcourse as par for the course I will probably get my results back for Test on Monday or Tuesday but wont get the Estrogen until Saturday.
 
JoeBrooklyn said:
I just had my bloods again. Ofcourse as par for the course I will probably get my results back for Test on Monday or Tuesday but wont get the Estrogen until Saturday.
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Dang that takes forever, usually I get mine within 24hrs

You could switch to 2.5 EOD or 1.25 ED if you are feeling negative side effects
 
smshannon001 said:
Dang that takes forever, usually I get mine within 24hrs

You could switch to 2.5 EOD or 1.25 ED if you are feeling negative side effects
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I found out it takes so long because in NY you cannot test Estrogen, so it has to go to some other state's lab after it gets to my lab. But the Test results I should get back in 1-2 days, hopefully Monday or Tuesday.
I haven't had any side affects yet so I guess I will continue at 2.5mg per day.
 
Ok, I got my results back!!

Keep in ind this test was taken 6 days after the end of my PCT but I had been taking Letro at 2.5mg everyday for 6 days.

Total Test 721.3
Free Test 163.26
LH 25.3
Prolactine 6.6
Estradiol 12.31

Now this time he didn't take Total Estrogen but I figure Estradiol is the main figure I need anyway and it's a gauge of what's going on and normal Estradioal levels are between 10-86. So it is ok that I didn't take the Total Estrogen? Also, I guess I should stop the Letro now. My libido is back but not 100%, it's more like 50%-60%. Any comments, questions, advice?
 
Since your estrogen is in range start tapering off the letro. Too much estro suppression from letro could be hindering libido.
 
I'm fairly cautious and would taper slowly to prevent estro rebound.

Maybe something like this...
Half a tab ED for the next 3 days
Half tab Monday Wednesday Friday next week
Third of a tab Monday Wednesday Friday for the last week

You'll prob need a pill cutter to get it into thirds.

People on liquid letro usually taper off .5mg at a time
2.5
2
1.5
1
.5

But with letros long half life I think a slower taper is better.

Another idea.
Some people will run tamoxifen or aromasin or formestane for a week or 2 AFTER letro to prevent rebound.
 
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