WEAK PUMPS AFTER A CYCLE??

[Geoffr]

Background:

I just did a cycle (first cycle ever) of LGD for 12 weeks and my pumps have always been great in the gym. Before I ever did a cycle they were great and during the cycle they were obviously even better...

I am now in the third week of my PCT and PWO I'm taking Xgels, Epilogue, Dermastregth Unleashed, along with a Pre-workout and my pumps are just weak as ever. I figured with the above products and reviews it would increase the pumps in the gym but I'm seeing nothing.

Maybe I'm taking to many products PWO?

Anyone have any ideas?

 

[CatSnake]

Background:

I just did a cycle (first cycle ever) of LGD for 12 weeks and my pumps have always been great in the gym. Before I ever did a cycle they were great and during the cycle they were obviously even better...

I am now in the third week of my PCT and PWO I'm taking Xgels, Epilogue, Dermastregth Unleashed, along with a Pre-workout and my pumps are just weak as ever. I figured with the above products and reviews it would increase the pumps in the gym but I'm seeing nothing.

Maybe I'm taking to many products PWO?

Anyone have any ideas?

so, what dose did you use for LGD?

and what exactly are you taking for PCT? I didn't see a SERM listed there....

 

[hairygrandpa]

Background:

I just did a cycle (first cycle ever) of LGD for 12 weeks and my pumps have always been great in the gym. Before I ever did a cycle they were great and during the cycle they were obviously even better...

I am now in the third week of my PCT and PWO I'm taking Xgels, Epilogue, Dermastregth Unleashed, along with a Pre-workout and my pumps are just weak as ever. I figured with the above products and reviews it would increase the pumps in the gym but I'm seeing nothing.

Maybe I'm taking to many products PWO?

Anyone have any ideas?

Pre-workout stims = vasoconstriction = no pump.
LGD = muscles filled with glycogen = pump.

If you want a skin splitting pump: 40-50mg Viagra 1 hour before workout. No joke, pure science.

 

[Distilled Water]

Pre-workout stims = vasoconstriction = no pump.
LGD = muscles filled with glycogen = pump.

If you want a skin splitting pump: 40-50mg Viagra 1 hour before workout. No joke, pure science.

Pair that V with some Citrulline and it’s game over

 

[hairygrandpa]

Pair that V with some Citrulline and it’s game over

Do you think there is synergy between Citrulline and Viagra?

 

[Afi140]

What’s nutrition and water intake prior to working out? Nitrates give me the best pumps but a good 8 grams of L-citrulline can also do the trick.

 

[Distilled Water]

Pre-workout stims = vasoconstriction = no pump.
LGD = muscles filled with glycogen = pump.

If you want a skin splitting pump: 40-50mg Viagra 1 hour before workout. No joke, pure science.

Pair that V with some Citrulline and it’s game over

 

[hairygrandpa]

Pair that V with some Citrulline and it’s game over

= more pump?
= no pump?
= I drop dead?
= Penis falls off?

Please explain.

 

[Distilled Water]

= more pump?
= no pump?
= I drop dead?
= Penis falls off?

Please explain.

Maybe in that order lol.

I’ve only ever tried 25mg with citrulline but the pump
And endurance is pretty insane.

 

[hairygrandpa]

Maybe in that order lol.

I’ve only ever tried 25mg with citrulline but the pump
And endurance is pretty insane.

I take 10mg cialis when I have 2 consecutive workout days. You take it once and it gives you 2 days of pump. Have to try it with citrulline now, you made me do it! LOL

 

[AnabolicGuru]

= more pump?
= no pump?
= I drop dead?
= Penis falls off?

Please explain.

“Penis falls off?” Hahahahaha you’ve been made me lol countless times man!

 

[AnabolicGuru]

Op, I’ve got no real idea why your pumps would be worse all of a sudden. Maybe it’s due to your testosterone levels still being suppressed? Is your diet any different? I’m sure more knowledgeable people will be able to theorize as well.

 

[Pinggolfee96]

Pair that V with some Citrulline and it’s game over

pair that w/ some added 2-5 grams of sea salt to your pre.....and its even more insane

 

[CatSnake]

Op, I’ve got no real idea why your pumps would be worse all of a sudden. Maybe it’s due to your testosterone levels still being suppressed? Is your diet any different? I’m sure more knowledgeable people will be able to theorize as well.

I'm pretty sure that's the issue.... I don't think anything he's taking helps with getting the HPTA back to normal, and he hasn't responded back if he's actually taking a SERM or not.

not sure the dose he used, but a 12 week cycle of LGD is gonna be pretty suppressive.

heck, 3 weeks of 1 mg/day knocks free T down a surprising amount:

http://www.ergo-log.com/lgd4033.html

 

[Geoffr]

I'm pretty sure that's the issue.... I don't think anything he's taking helps with getting the HPTA back to normal, and he hasn't responded back if he's actually taking a SERM or not.

not sure the dose he used, but a 12 week cycle of LGD is gonna be pretty suppressive.

heck, 3 weeks of 1 mg/day knocks free T down a surprising amount:

http://www.ergo-log.com/lgd4033.html

12 week cycle at 10mg LGD - ED

Guys I just listed my pre workout PCT supplements. Full PCT includes Clomid 50/50/25/25 and I also started Mtest five days ago.

I don't have any problems with erections, so would taking viagra get me a hard on constantly or? basically I don't want a boner at the gym lol

 

[Geoffr]

What’s nutrition and water intake prior to working out? Nitrates give me the best pumps but a good 8 grams of L-citrulline can also do the trick.

Atleast a gallon of water a day, I always eat an hour or hour and a half prior to lifting, usually high protein and carbs

 

[Geoffr]

Op, I’ve got no real idea why your pumps would be worse all of a sudden. Maybe it’s due to your testosterone levels still being suppressed? Is your diet any different? I’m sure more knowledgeable people will be able to theorize as well.

Diets the same, high protein and carbs during the day. Lots of healthy fats, a lot less carbs towards bed time

 

[hairygrandpa]

12 week cycle at 10mg LGD - ED

Guys I just listed my pre workout PCT supplements. Full PCT includes Clomid 50/50/25/25 and I also started Mtest five days ago.

I don't have any problems with erections, so would taking viagra get me a hard on constantly or? basically I don't want a boner at the gym lol

No. Just unbelievable pumps. Do it, thank me later.

 

[Distilled Water]

No. Just unbelievable pumps. Do it, thank me later.

Yeah this.

Honestly your pumps are probably “normal” but when using AAS/hormone products they’re typically increased bc of a myriad of different reasons and now that’s gone so your pump will be less bc you’re back to “regular” hormone levels.

Just one way of thinking. Get blood work done if you’re worried about your hormone levels. It’s not very expensive to get them checked without having to go to the doctor.

 

[Geoffr]

Yeah this.

Honestly your pumps are probably “normal” but when using AAS/hormone products they’re typically increased bc of a myriad of different reasons and now that’s gone so your pump will be less bc you’re back to “regular” hormone levels.

Just one way of thinking. Get blood work done if you’re worried about your hormone levels. It’s not very expensive to get them checked without having to go to the doctor.

I'm getting bloods done next week, not that I'm worried but because I want to know where I'm at 4 weeks into my PCT...

tadalafil citrate - I'll have to check it out ��

 

[CatSnake]

12 week cycle at 10mg LGD - ED

Guys I just listed my pre workout PCT supplements. Full PCT includes Clomid 50/50/25/25 and I also started Mtest five days ago.

I don't have any problems with erections, so would taking viagra get me a hard on constantly or? basically I don't want a boner at the gym lol

dude, you're likely suppressed from that cycle.... your E2 is also likely low, too.

back the clomid down to 25 mg/day. and I'd run it 6 weeks.

none of the other junk you listed helps much with HPTA recovery.....

 

[Geoffr]

dude, you're likely suppressed from that cycle.... your E2 is also likely low, too.

back the clomid down to 25 mg/day. and I'd run it 6 weeks.

none of the other junk you listed helps much with HPTA recovery.....

Currently on week 3 of my PCT, I'm at 25mg ED now. So I should extend the clomid to 6 weeks?

 

[CatSnake]

Currently on week 3 of my PCT, I'm at 25mg ED now. So I should extend the clomid to 6 weeks?

I would.

12 weeks is a decent length cycle, and the LGD is pretty suppressive, overall.

 

[Geoffr]

I would.

12 weeks is a decent length cycle, and the LGD is pretty suppressive, overall.

Right on, I shall extend my clomid then!

Also looking into checking out viagra or cialis PWO for pumps

 

[BloodManor]

Right on, I shall extend my clomid then!

Also looking into checking out viagra or cialis PWO for pumps

https://www.chaosandpain.com/cannibal-permaswole-preworkout-non-stim/
Delivers crazy ass pumps
So does a pickle with some pickle juice - dat sodium pump is insane

 

[CatSnake]

Right on, I shall extend my clomid then!

Also looking into checking out viagra or cialis PWO for pumps

pycnogenol might be an interesting one, too.

https://examine.com/supplements/pycnogenol/

 

[hairygrandpa]

pycnogenol might be an interesting one, too.

https://examine.com/supplements/pycnogenol/

Nah, not really. I used it for prolonged time at a fairly high dosage, to get rid of hemorrhoids, it worked -but no better pump.

 

[CatSnake]

Nah, not really. I used it for prolonged time at a fairly high dosage, to get rid of hemorrhoids, it worked -but no better pump.

huh.... I didn't know that it helped with that. interesting.

I'm planning on giving it a whirl soon, just to try to improve my BP and cholesterol a bit...

 

[Cgkone]

I get that same feeling.
Really bad when I would pct.
I would feel like it took forever to get a pump and my pump would be weak as hell.
Its going to be hard to find an OTC product that's going to make your pumps as full as when your on a cycle.
That's just how cycles are.
FUNFUNFUNFUN!!!

 

[hairygrandpa]

huh.... I didn't know that it helped with that. interesting.

I'm planning on giving it a whirl soon, just to try to improve my BP and cholesterol a bit...

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20041428

Also....look for bulk powder of pine bark extract, same thing (IMHO), much cheaper.