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McMantits

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Hello everyone, I'm new to the site and I had some questions about losing some fat. I'm way too damn big but I haven't always been this way. I'm 24 years old and weigh about 250lbs and I'm only 5'10. Right after high school I lost about 60 pounds and got down to 180 to join the military and I lost that by doing an HCG from GNC. It worked well and I lost about 20 pounds on 10 days and kept losing at a slower weight. Took me about 4 months to drop 50lbs. I was miserable though and hungry all the time. I kept that weight off no problem after I stopped dieting for about 3 years and slowly started gaining it back. I blame it on getting married lol. Now I'm back to where I used to be and then some. I'm in college right now, as well is my wife, so our income is limited, but I have a little bit of free time for cardio.

Can anyone give me a good cardio routine? I'm miserably out of shape so extreme stuff from day one probably will leave me dead on the side of the road.

A tested diet plan that won't break the bank would be greatly appreciated, as well as fat loss supplements that legitimately work. I will work as hard as my body will let me and then some, but an added boost from a weight loss supplement is always welcome.
After I drop weight I'll start hitting the weights, but for now I want t burn fat as fast as possible.

Age: 24
Weight: 250ish
Goal: 200
Waist: 38-40 inches
BMI: too damn high
Height: 5'10
 
Not sure if you're interested in the SARMS, but I was 5'9" 305. Took gw-501516 and ran short sprints, 40 yard run from death x10 with a minute break in between. And then kickboxing 3-4 days a week, with some bench press every now and then. After 3 months, I'm sitting at an almost sweet looking 265
 
Whenever i want to lose weight i just eat "clean" foods. Many people look down upon that statement because they believe there is no such thing as a clean food and that what matters are calories in versus calories out. But i can say that just by eating foods such as salad, oatmeal, lean meats, chicken etc im able to feel full throughout the day and lean up. I dont start counting calories unless i really want to lose weight. Thats what works for me. For cardio i just do 15 mins of either light walking or biking
 
MPizzle said:
Not sure if you're interested in the SARMS, but I was 5'9" 305. Took gw-501516 and ran short sprints, 40 yard run from death x10 with a minute break in between. And then kickboxing 3-4 days a week, with some bench press every now and then. After 3 months, I'm sitting at an almost sweet looking 265
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What exactly is SARMS? There aren't any classes around where I am and the only gym in town requires a contract and it's like $60 a month. Kind of expensive.
 
McMantits said:
Hello everyone, I'm new to the site and I had some questions about losing some fat. I'm way too damn big but I haven't always been this way. I'm 24 years old and weigh about 250lbs and I'm only 5'10. Right after high school I lost about 60 pounds and got down to 180 to join the military and I lost that by doing an HCG from GNC. It worked well and I lost about 20 pounds on 10 days and kept losing at a slower weight. Took me about 4 months to drop 50lbs. I was miserable though and hungry all the time. I kept that weight off no problem after I stopped dieting for about 3 years and slowly started gaining it back. I blame it on getting married lol. Now I'm back to where I used to be and then some. I'm in college right now, as well is my wife, so our income is limited, but I have a little bit of free time for cardio.

Can anyone give me a good cardio routine? I'm miserably out of shape so extreme stuff from day one probably will leave me dead on the side of the road.

A tested diet plan that won't break the bank would be greatly appreciated, as well as fat loss supplements that legitimately work. I will work as hard as my body will let me and then some, but an added boost from a weight loss supplement is always welcome.
After I drop weight I'll start hitting the weights, but for now I want t burn fat as fast as possible.

Age: 24
Weight: 250ish
Goal: 200
Waist: 38-40 inches
BMI: too damn high
Height: 5'10
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Welcome to AM and welcome back to fitness. It can be difficult to make fitness a priority with a busy schedule and day to day life but it sounds like you really want to make a change for the healthier. I would do several things:
1. Use an online calculator to determine your current total daily energy expenditure(TDEE). Once you know this you can begin a targeted weight loss plan beginning with only a small caloric deficit at first. There is no need to be completely miserable to lose weight. Crash dieting usually ends in failure and rebound
2. Aim for a target weight loss of 2-3 lbs per week.
3. Make a set plan with progressive exercise goals. I would urge you to incorporate a combination of resistance training as well as cardio. Resistance training is just as if not more effective at fat loss than solely cardio based training.
3. Focus on hit your caloric goals each day with clean foods. Adequate protein, fats, and carbs. I'm sure other weight loss experts around here can offer more specifics on this. It really isn't my forte.
4. After a diet and training regimen are dialed in you can use supplements and increased cardio/training once your progress stalls. This is usually after the first 20 lbs or so. Caffeine has always been an effective weight loss supplement. Beyond that, Olympus Labs has a ton of effective options that you can look into for what will be right for you when the time comes:
Bloodshred
Ignit3
Assassinat3
Sup3r-7
Super Shred
Good luck man!
 
Jebrook said:
Welcome to AM and welcome back to fitness. It can be difficult to make fitness a priority with a busy schedule and day to day life but it sounds like you really want to make a change for the healthier. I would do several things:
1. Use an online calculator to determine your current total daily energy expenditure(TDEE). Once you know this you can begin a targeted weight loss plan beginning with only a small caloric deficit at first. There is no need to be completely miserable to lose weight. Crash dieting usually ends in failure and rebound
2. Aim for a target weight loss of 2-3 lbs per week.
3. Make a set plan with progressive exercise goals. I would urge you to incorporate a combination of resistance training as well as cardio. Resistance training is just as if not more effective at fat loss than solely cardio based training.
3. Focus on hit your caloric goals each day with clean foods. Adequate protein, fats, and carbs. I'm sure other weight loss experts around here can offer more specifics on this. It really isn't my forte.
4. After a diet and training regimen are dialed in you can use supplements and increased cardio/training once your progress stalls. This is usually after the first 20 lbs or so. Caffeine has always been an effective weight loss supplement. Beyond that, Olympus Labs has a ton of effective options that you can look into for what will be right for you when the time comes:
Bloodshred
Ignit3
Assassinat3
Sup3r-7
Super Shred
Good luck man!
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I appreciate the info!
 
SARMS are Selective Androgenic Receptor Modulators. There are tons of receptors that trigger different things in your body to happen when they are activated. SARMS are formulated to target specific receptors to activate a specific function.

Do ahead and google gw501516. There's tons of info. I can't post links.
 
coltamatik said:
Well if you would be willing to go the PH/DS way.. Epistane would be the way to go..
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I disagree. It sounds as if op is relatively new and inexperienced with supplements, let alone anabolics. I may be wrong but I think we need to make sure he has the basics down first before putting ideas in his head. Besides, nothing works if you don't.
 
Jebrook said:
I disagree. It sounds as if op is relatively new and inexperienced with supplements, let alone anabolics. I may be wrong but I think we need to make sure he has the basics down first before putting ideas in his head. Besides, nothing works if you don't.
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I plan on getting a routine and diet down first and getting totally comfortable with everything I am doing before I start a supplement. Gear sounds great, but even if I could afford it one day, I have no idea how I would even get it or how to use it. I would really have to have someone walk me through that.
 
MPizzle said:
SARMS are Selective Androgenic Receptor Modulators. There are tons of receptors that trigger different things in your body to happen when they are activated. SARMS are formulated to target specific receptors to activate a specific function.

Do ahead and google gw501516. There's tons of info. I can't post links.
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Going to look into it for the future!
 
Mraesthetic12 said:
Whenever i want to lose weight i just eat "clean" foods. Many people look down upon that statement because they believe there is no such thing as a clean food and that what matters are calories in versus calories out. But i can say that just by eating foods such as salad, oatmeal, lean meats, chicken etc im able to feel full throughout the day and lean up. I dont start counting calories unless i really want to lose weight. Thats what works for me. For cardio i just do 15 mins of either light walking or biking
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Perhaps it is only a difference or definitions or semantics. It is largely a matter of calories in vs calories out, but the foods you mention will likely fill you more with less calories than other "dirty" foods. If you're counting calories, and aim for a certain amount, that is where the idea of "clean" doesn't necessarily mean as much, but if you're eating either chicken and oatmeal for a meal or Big Macs (not counting calories or eating a predetermined calorie content), you'll eat more calories with the Big Macs, no? Therefore, you lose more weight eating clean meals, but that could be because the clean meals have less calories, no? You don't need to take in as many calories from the cleaner foods as the dirty foods to be full in many instances.
 
McMantits said:
I plan on getting a routine and diet down first and getting totally comfortable with everything I am doing before I start a supplement. Gear sounds great, but even if I could afford it one day, I have no idea how I would even get it or how to use it. I would really have to have someone walk me through that.
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Youre exactly right, get your diet down and get into the habit of exercising again. Fat loss can be achieved naturally no need to go to extreme measures just yet
 
McMantits said:
I plan on getting a routine and diet down first and getting totally comfortable with everything I am doing before I start a supplement. Gear sounds great, but even if I could afford it one day, I have no idea how I would even get it or how to use it. I would really have to have someone walk me through that.
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That's a good approach. Don't even worry about gear or supplements right now. No way at all do you need gear if you don't even weight train. Stick around here and read and learn.
 
muscleupcrohn said:
Perhaps it is only a difference or definitions or semantics. It is largely a matter of calories in vs calories out, but the foods you mention will likely fill you more with less calories than other "dirty" foods. If you're counting calories, and aim for a certain amount, that is where the idea of "clean" doesn't necessarily mean as much, but if you're eating either chicken and oatmeal for a meal or Big Macs (not counting calories or eating a predetermined calorie content), you'll eat more calories with the Big Macs, no? Therefore, you lose more weight eating clean meals, but that could be because the clean meals have less calories, no? You don't need to take in as many calories from the cleaner foods as the dirty foods to be full in many instances.
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Correct, im able to eat so much more calories through junk food because theyre so calorically dense! A mcdonalds meal has about 1000 calories, thats almost a third of my daily intake lol. On the other hand eating 1000 calories of "clean" foods is so much harder because it they seem to have more volume
 
Mraesthetic12 said:
Youre exactly right, get your diet down and get into the habit of exercising again. Fat loss can be achieved naturally no need to go to extreme measures just yet
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I'm totally open minded to a fat loss boost after a little while though lol. Someone mentioned Cardarine, can you, or anyone reading this, elaborate on it for me?
 
I plan on calorie cutting to about 1200 a day. Back when I lost weight all those years ago I cut to 800 a day. That was actually a lot more expensive than I thought. Added about $200 a month to my families grocery bill.
 
Mraesthetic12 said:
Correct, im able to eat so much more calories through junk food because theyre so calorically dense! A mcdonalds meal has about 1000 calories, thats almost a third of my daily intake lol. On the other hand eating 1000 calories of "clean" foods is so much harder because it they seem to have more volume
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It's definitely a lot harder to eat 1000 calories of chicken breast and rice than it is to eat 1000 calories of cookies, haha.
 
Jebrook is right on the money here. IMO Sarms and ph/ds don't even need to be considered at this point! Diet, exercise, & non hormonal supps at this point.
 
MPizzle said:
SARMS are Selective Androgenic Receptor Modulators. There are tons of receptors that trigger different things in your body to happen when they are activated. SARMS are formulated to target specific receptors to activate a specific function.

Do ahead and google gw501516. There's tons of info. I can't post links.
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I sent you a message! I'm interested about that so far for the future. Unless I find something I don't like about it lol
 
Just want to let everyone know that my curiosity over SARMS and ph/ds definitely doesn't mean I'll being doing them. I just want to be educated is all.
 
McMantits said:
So you'd need an anti-gyno I suppose?
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Along other things yes, for education purposes you can give SARMS a google, but no sarm or ph should be used for pure weight loss IMO. During research you will probably see Dylan gemeli talking about them, I would never take his advice but I don't regret watching his videos when learning about them.
 
So Bloodshed raw my olympus sounds very promising. Do any of you have any personal experience with it? You never really know what reviews are fake or not. Also, can you stack it with anything while going cardio and resistance training?
 
McMantits said:
So Bloodshed raw my olympus sounds very promising. Do any of you have any personal experience with it? You never really know what reviews are fake or not. Also, can you stack it with anything while going cardio and resistance training?
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Yes. Bloodshr3d raw is great, but a small percentage of people can't tolerate the rauwolscine. That's the only difference between bloodshr3d raw and bloodshr3d war. I would honestly go until Weight loss plateaus before stacking. Sup3r 7 would probably be great then, but it's a newer supplement, so more anecdotal evidence would help although I would put all of my trust in OL to make an effective product.
 
Tylerclee said:
Yes. Bloodshr3d raw is great, but a small percentage of people can't tolerate the rauwolscine. That's the only difference between bloodshr3d raw and bloodshr3d war. I would honestly go until Weight loss plateaus before stacking. Sup3r 7 would probably be great then, but it's a newer supplement, so more anecdotal evidence would help although I would put all of my trust in OL to make an effective product.
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Awesome, man. I really appreciate the information.
 
Tylerclee said:
Not a problem brother. Sharing & learning Knowledge/information is why we're all here on AM.
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So I learned that there is a 50% discount going on for a couple more days and there's no reason I shouldn't go and head and save some money by ordering now, but it looks like OL have two websites? Is one a fraud or something?
 
Nope. Olympus labs & Olympus labs U.K. Are both legit. Usually hormonals are found at UK but they are the only ones with Sup3r shred & Sup3r 7. Merry50 is the coupon code that will get you 50% off at both OL sites, merry50 applied in checkout
 
Looks like I'll have to order sup3r 7 from the uk and bloodshr3d from the us. Unless bloodshr3d and sup3r shr3d are the same thing.
 
Not the same at all. Sup3r shr3d is also new, but seems to be promising. Like I said, I'd put all of my trust in OL with new products. I actually placed an order at both places for this sale. Sup3r 7 & Sup3r shr3d from OL uk and bloodshr3d was included in my other OL order.
 
Welcome and good luck! I started out closer to 260 and am down to 220 now.

The main thing is focus and discipline. All the time and money you use should be looked at as an investment into yourself, helping you lose weight, live longer, get stronger, etc.

A lot of good stuff on YouTube and other places as well.
 
I didn't read all the posts but skip the gear lose the fear.

I was at 295, 40" waist 35% BF and couldn't do 3 real push-ups 1.5 years ago.

Start eating right. Get some kind of exercise in. The kind you enjoy and change it up.

This is a life changing decision. Treat it that way.
When your numbers come down you will feel better

When I was able to jog and run again it was incredible!

Sitting at 213.5 %19-20 BF and 34" waist.

Stick around and you will learn and receive great advice. Support is one thing that keeps me here. There are some amazing people here with vast knowledge.

Welcome!!!
You can do it!
 
I would not dive into SARMS or anything hormonal until you get your body fat down and until you can follow a structured diet and training plan consistently. I would not even get into any supplements, except for the staples, until you have that down as well.

For your staples, look at:

Creatine - PowerMax XT
Fish Oil - Oxi-Omega
Multi - Orange Triad
Protein - PES Select

Give these articles a read concerning your diet:

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Once your body fat is down and you have made training and dieting a part of your routine, look into fat burners. You can lose a decent amount of fat without them now. I would suggest OxyMax XT. Not only is it a potent thermogenic, but it also contains ingredients to boost one's mood, which can go down during a cutting phase. Additionally, it is great at reducing hunger.
 
I echo many of the comments already in this thread, with a couple little additions.

First, I was in your shoes a while back. 6'2", 275#. I did Power90, the easy version of P90X. Now they came out with P90 which is a more current version of Power90. Some guys on here may look down on it, but it was a game changer for me. The nutrition guide and DVD workouts leave nothing to chance. It all works if you follow the plan. After doing it, I had the basic knowledge and science to build on. Before that, I had no clue what I was doing. Just thought sweat enough on the treadmill and I'll lose the fat. There is more to it than that...

So yeah, I highly recommend checking out P90. It's like $70, requires no gym membership and takes 90 days. I personally went from 275 to 179 on Power90 and P90X, so I know they work.

Secondly, when the fat loss slows down, I'd recommend checking into a safe fat burner. I really like MST Shred Ultra, because it doesn't leave you jittery or weird feeling and it's inexpensive too. But there are plenty of other good options already in here on that front. Just keep in mind that you don't need anything for fat loss out of the gate it comes off plenty fast on its own at first!
 
Sorry but for the general concern of weight loss these are my thoughts on a post. Pre workout for creatine is stupid, fish oil is FN calories, multi doesn't effect your weight unless it contains DNP, protein is the most important macro due to thermogenic effect it you don't need liquid calories. He is looking for weight loss, not muscle retention, c/mon.
 
Mraesthetic12 said:
Based off of his stats i think he could lose a reasonable amount of weight just by doing some light weight training and cardio followed by a good diet
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Exactly


McMantits said:
I plan on getting a routine and diet down first and getting totally comfortable with everything I am doing before I start a supplement.
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Agreed . I would stay away from fat burners. Fat burners should be used to assist people through plateaus. Most people should not need that sort of assistance bc typically its highly trained already lean individuals that are trying to force their bodies to let go of fat that is normally considered a healthy .
McMantits said:
I plan on calorie cutting to about 1200 a day. Back when I lost weight all those years ago I cut to 800 a day.
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You are correct in that you have to be in a caloric deficit. It's important to remember that losing weight and health (in general ) is not a race. 1200 for your height and weight is too low let alone 800. You don't want to metabolize your lean tissue and muscle mass, altered metabolism and effects on your blood sugar levels.

A healthy amount of weight to lose is about 1-3 % of your body weight a week. It's hard to look at such small Amounts of weight loss per week and be satisfied with that considering the constant ambush of extreme weight loss programs that surround us in the media.

I'm currently leaning out and losing weight faster than some people might advise and I lose about .5-1 lb per week and my daily avg calorie intake is about 1400 with 2400 calorie re feed days. You are 5'10 and male vs I'm 5'6. And female.

It's awesome that you are starting and everyone is rooting for you and want to help. Keep your chin up and push on. You can do it .
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Am I the only one thinking it's weird to recommend sarms and phs to someone who was looking for a cardio routine?
 
Since the 1st I've lost 5 pounds from calorie deficit alone.

258lbs down to 253lbs. I'm thinking of starting a thread on my progress for all of the people who gave me advice and coached me on.
 
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