size said:
N5 there is nothing you can do to back up calling Kerry Fiscally conservative. The bottom line is that Kerry doesn't fit the definition. You have basically admitted this but you still refer to him as F.C. You can't change the definition of a word just because you want the word to apply to someone.
There is no way Bush and/ or the republican leadership will cut the deficit unless they stand up to the democrats by cutting government spending and government social programs. Just like Kerry and the Democrats can not balance the budget with out raising taxes considerably and they can't do they by simply raising taxes on the rich. However, that would depend on what you definition of rich is. In the democratic debates Al Shapton said something to the effect of his definition of rich is any one who was money left over at the end of the month.
As I said earlier they are on Kerry's pay roll.
I disagree with you on assertion that the issues have no importance on deciding a candidate. It tells you what kind of person they are and how they will conduct themselves in office. This is very apparent when you look at someone like Bill Clinton. They were doing the same corrupt things when he was governor and Attorney general of Arkansas. It was clear that they believe the ends justify the means and they were about power and the consolidation of their power. It was also well known that he was a womanizer. Hillary hired a private detective to see how bad it was before he ran for president. They brought all of this to the white house with them.
There was an ad that ran in that basically blamed Bush for the death of a young black man who was dragged to death from a truck because he didn't support "hate crime" legislation. Yet he supported the death penalty for the people that did it and the legislation wouldn't have stopped the murder. There was no out rage there. There standard isn't the same for democrats and republicans. Trent Lot got up at Strom Thurman birthday party and said maybe the country would be a better place if Thurman had been elected president. The whole press was up in arms about this because of Thurman's was a racist in the 1950's. Robert Byrd was in the KKK got on national television and said the N word several times. The press didn't cover it and no groups came out against him. Why? Because democrats can't be racist?
size said:
Robert Kennedy was ridiculous. Not only did he try to dodge and change the subject when questioned about comparing Bush to Nazis but he was a total hypocrite. He supports using wind energy but not in his back yard and he flies around in a private jet. Then he preaches to people how they should live. Typical limousine liberal do as I say not as I do mentality.
It wouldn't surprise me if it was ghost written.
All I can say is he can expect a hell of allot more of that before the election and it's all fair. My second though is that he is a horrible politician. He should have taken lying and charisma lessons from Clinton. WOW
size said:
VanillaGorilla said:
MarcusG said:
First of all I said he won close to ten points not he won by exactly ten points.That shows some great logic number 5. I said he won close to 10 points and you apparently didn't read what I said and that equals me not checking my facts. Give me a break.That article isn't even about the election. It's a garbled transcript from a CNN segment. The point I made was the last time he had even a remote challenge was weld that was ten years ago. He basically ran up apposed if not un apposed last time. Also 8 points isn't exactly a nail biter. Did he have to put effort into it and spend money? Yes but it's not like he won by 2 points where he would have to really worry about the next election.
I originally said only one of the vets supports Kerry. If you go back I said I should have been clearer. Then I said ALL BUT ONE OF THE FORMER SWIFT BOAT COMMANDERS SUPPORT KERRY. The fact is out of 25 former commanders two are dead twenty two don't support him and one does.
Why will that change your opinion of him? Probably not. Prove me wrong like you did when I said it was close to a ten point election and it really was 8 points. Man you really got me there.
So by your rationale we should change the defection of fiscally conservative because of one article? There is also some problems. What they are saying is that because Kerry voted against the funding for the war because they wouldn't support raising taxes to balance the budget at a time of war makes him fiscally conservative. That in it of it's self goes against the definition. On top of that it shows piss poor logic. It ignores the fact that Kerry won the liberal prom king title four times and it ignores that he votes with Ted 90% of the time. That would indicate that Kerry has a history of voting to raise taxes or against tax cuts and against cutting government programs. Guess What number 5? He does.The national journal gave him the most liberal title again because he is one. CJ gave him the liberal title because he is one. When he missed votes he announced his positions. His positions were liberal. If he didn't announce his positions we have a 90% chance we know how he will vote. That's right it's liberal. What you are trying to do is the equivalent of changing the definition of elephant to mouse.
By referring to the X and Y bulshit do you realize you are referring to the definition of the word? That's a pretty bad example there 5. How can they have a 500 billion dollar deficit if they don't spend any money? If they don't spend any money and they don't have any revenue than they have a balanced budget. Let's say for a minute that they had some catastrophe happen then obviously they would have to pay taxes or come up with a different idea but would get rid of them when it was paid off. Unfortunately for you that doesn't apply to Kerry. We waste so much money on government programs and he will not cut any of them. Also in our hypothetical country when the deficit was paid off they wouldn't cut the tax out. They would spend it on a social program. That is a pretty good example on how our government taxes and spending have gotten so out of control though. A crisis comes up they raise taxes after the crisis is paid for they pay for junkies to get needles. They another crisis comes up but the junkies need there needles so they raise taxes even more. Then they come up with another program.Any one who talks about cutting programs is a heartless bastard who wants to kill children and old people.
We can keep going over this if you want. You are basing your rationale on one part of the fiscally conservative equation. Bush cut taxes he fits into one part of the equation as well. Therefore Bush is fiscally conservative.
No liberals such as your self have tried to change the definition of the word so it can fit them. If someone says they are fiscally conservative it has a favorable opinion from the electorate. Just like it there is a negative opinion they change the word. Take the word liberal. To most people that means raise taxes and grow government. Now lets change the word to progressive that sounds so much better.
That's great but we are not debating on who fits the definition better Bush or Clinton or even if Bush is F.C which at this point he is not. It is weather Kerry fit's the definition and he doesn't.
Again the definition is some one who believes in a small and limited government, low taxes, and a balance budget. This doesn't fit Kerry at all. If you want to stop having this discussion stop saying Kerry is fiscally conservative. You can say that he is for a balanced budget via increasing taxes.
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size said:
In the commercial Bush's face morphed in to Hitler's. This time it got some press and they pulled it from their web site. Robert Kennedy Jr. also compared the tactics the Nazis used to the Bush administration.
Bush doesn't have 22 former commanders speaking out against him saying that he lied and all his medals/ purple hearts are fraudulent. According to the swift boat vets "more than 250 Swift boat veterans are on the record questioning Kerry's fitness to serve as Commander-in-Chief. That list includes his entire chain of command -- every single officer Kerry served under in Vietnam". Also Bush didn't say he was in Cambodia when he wasn't. This should get media attention and be checked out. It shows the kind of person John Kerry is. He better hope that it is a smear campaign because this could hurt him really bad though the press is doing it's best to ignore it.
VanillaGorilla said:
Many of them were still in Viet Nam or still enlisted over seas. Kerry was there 4 months most of them stayed a year. Even if none of them spoke out in the early 1970's that still doesn't take away from the fact that at this point all but one of the surviving swift boat commanders are speaking out against him. That says allot. If 22 former officers in the national guard took out an ad saying Bush was unfit for command do you think there would be the same kind of reaction from the left and the media?
There are still other commercials that were pretty bad like the one I mentioned earlier about blaming Bush for the death of a young African American child.
I don't know that he smeared him but it is well known that they previously didn't like each other. Kerry asked McCain to be vp something like seven times. Maybe Bush got nervous and offered to back him as president in 2008 if he helps with re election.
houseman said:
There is no question that Bush is a horrible public speaker if he doesn't have a script in front of him and even then he frequently mispronounces words. Kerry however has his own problems, like thinking he can be on both sides of an issue and not be called on it. For a period of time all he would do is criticize the war yet his plan for Iraq is pretty much the same as Bush's. He just said that even if he knew then what he knows now he would still go in.
That's a tough question. I think they were more energized in 2000. I don't think Kerry is as polarizing as Clinton or Gore was. Maybe all the thing the democrats have been pulling lately will. There have 2000 lawyers shipped out and they want the UN monitoring the election. Then there is the hypocrisy of wanting to turn over ever rock of Bush's national guard service but no one should question Kerry's service in Nam. If it is a close race I think the democrats will contest it in court no matter what.