Was Gerald Butler from the movie '300' on steroids ?

Was Gerald Butler from the movie '300' on steroids ?

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Ziquor said:
You obviously can't sense sarcasm and are quite out of touch with some ppl online. A '300' type body could be easily obtained without AAS period, with proper dedication. Simple point is thousands of 'regular average joe's' take AAS and still have very unimpressive physiques. Many times people just look for a quicker route to reach their goals so they can 'look better'. In Hollywood where appearance means more these days than ever, and changing from one extreme physique to another is required in short time spans - for one to assume that AAS/HGH usage isn't occurring regularly in Hollywood is just plain nieve.
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I get sarcasm just fine, you apparently missed mine.

I am not saying 'hollywood types' don't do aas/hgh. Many fully admit it, stallone, bondaduce (vid of him reconning and injecting hgh on youtube), etc. It would be like saying Robert Downey Jr. never used coke...

I just don't think that in Gerard's case it was that 'extreme' of a physique change (compared to some others) for the timeframe we are talking about.
 
snagency said:
Appreciated. I get a kick outta hearing that people suspect me of juicing.. I've been around people who have, seen what HGH/AAS can do first hand, and I personally don't consider what I look like to be conducive to these substances. Not to be arrogant, but if were using, look out! I'd look a helluva lot better than I do now..
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If you don't mind me asking, I recall that you mentioned you have taken OTC PS/PH at one point in time when they were legal. Do you mind sharing what those were ?


As for myself being natural, the most 'hardcore' thing I've done was Hyperdrol (6-bromo).




I did a 4 day stint with Superdrol that ended bad and a 2 week stint with Furazadrol that also ended bad. I don't really consider those 2 since I didn't actually completely even use a bottle.
 
GMG760 said:
USP and Scivation are the bomb! I love me some AP and Xtend!

Yea bro, if you haven't used AAS and you got in that kinda shape... you would be a monster if you started... I'm not sure if I would even use though, if I looked like that, I guarantee most of my friends would think I was on cycle, and yea that must be a kick in the ass to get asked if you are juicing when you arn't... Good stuff man.
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That's just it.. I have no plans to make a career out of this, earn a living. It's a hobby (albeit an involved one), and as such I don't wish to suffer negative side effects down the road or shorten my lifespan, etc.

I get a rush from keeping up with the guys I know who ARE using, it stokes me! There are a few guys I know who I'll never be able to touch -- they bring my kind of diligence along with synthetic goodies. I'm cool with that tho..
 
ReaperX said:
If you don't mind me asking, I recall that you mentioned you have taken OTC PS/PH at one point in time when they were legal. Do you mind sharing what those were ?


As for myself being natural, the most 'hardcore' thing I've done was Hyperdrol (6-bromo).




I did a 4 day stint with Superdrol that ended bad and a 2 week stint with Furazadrol that also ended bad. I don't really consider those 2 since I didn't actually completely even use a bottle.
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Yes, I did dome OTC things a few years back, from '04-'06.
Hmm.. gotta look back at some notes.. Methyl 5 by IDS, 19-Methyl-1-Test EX by Sci-Fit, the original Halodrol by Gaspari (before it came out that this was really a DS), and the last thing I used was an Epistane, when it first came out in summer of 2006. All things to help me get my cut on, nothing really to help me bulk.
As I learned more about these products (side-effects, etc.) and as they came under FDA scrutiny, I backed off, made a committment to steer clear of such things. Didn't like the liver stress I was potentially subjecting myself to..
 
Ah ok just curious. Some natural federations have really strict guidelines it seems, while others allow only OTC products.
 
snagency said:
Yes, I did dome OTC things a few years back, from '04-'06.
Hmm.. gotta look back at some notes.. Methyl 5 by IDS, 19-Methyl-1-Test EX by Sci-Fit, the original Halodrol by Gaspari (before it came out that this was really a DS), and the last thing I used was an Epistane, when it first came out in summer of 2006. All things to help me get my cut on, nothing really to help me bulk.
As I learned more about these products (side-effects, etc.) and as they came under FDA scrutiny, I backed off, made a committment to steer clear of such things. Didn't like the liver stress I was potentially subjecting myself to..
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Wait, so you are still considered "natural" if you run Methyl-1-Test, or Epistane? I thought those were both Designer Steroids?

I thought I had gone "non-natural" just by using M1D MMV2... and had accepted it at the time. Since it converts to something my body wouldn't naturally produce... I guess I don't really know where the line is drawn.

When you say "non-natural" we are referring to illegal steroids? Or would Superdrol, Phera, and Halodrol all be considered Non-natural?
 
snagency said:
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As I learned more about these products (side-effects, etc.) and as they came under FDA scrutiny, I backed off, made a committment to steer clear of such things. Didn't like the liver stress I was potentially subjecting myself to..
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I have considered the same.But I'm not gonna lie,I love designers!It's like someone who smokes or drinks regularly and knows it would be better to quit,but they just don't want to.I always thought man,when I finally get a hoock up for the real thing............now I have the possibiblity but haven't pursued it any further.Mainly because of the legal reasons.
 
GMG760 said:
Wait, so you are still considered "natural" if you run Methyl-1-Test, or Epistane? I thought those were both Designer Steroids?

I thought I had gone "non-natural" just by using M1D MMV2... and had accepted it at the time. Since it converts to something my body wouldn't naturally produce... I guess I don't really know where the line is drawn.

When you say "non-natural" we are referring to illegal steroids? Or would Superdrol, Phera, and Halodrol all be considered Non-natural?
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WNBF has a listed of banned substances which includes just about every hormonal product except 7-Keto which was just taken off the banned list. There might be some other things, but those are the majority of it.

The NGA allows anything that is OTC.


I think most natural bodybuilding federations require 2 years clean. The majority polygraph test, although the better ones piss test (which I think should always happen in any natural show, IMO).


So Ronnie Coleman needs to train naturally for 2 years then he can compete. :rofl:
 
GMG760 said:
Wait, so you are still considered "natural" if you run Methyl-1-Test, or Epistane? I thought those were both Designer Steroids?

I thought I had gone "non-natural" just by using M1D MMV2... and had accepted it at the time. Since it converts to something my body wouldn't naturally produce... I guess I don't really know where the line is drawn.

When you say "non-natural" we are referring to illegal steroids? Or would Superdrol, Phera, and Halodrol all be considered Non-natural?
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That raises an interesting question as to what is constitutive of 'natural'. If Ronnie Coleman were to quit using AAS tomorrow, train naturally for several years, and enter a natural competition, is he natural? To me, the only athletes I consider natural are those who have never used, or who's use was so negligible (such as Reaper's) that it had no effect.
 
GMG760 said:
Wait, so you are still considered "natural" if you run Methyl-1-Test, or Epistane? I thought those were both Designer Steroids?

I thought I had gone "non-natural" just by using M1D MMV2... and had accepted it at the time. Since it converts to something my body wouldn't naturally produce... I guess I don't really know where the line is drawn.

When you say "non-natural" we are referring to illegal steroids? Or would Superdrol, Phera, and Halodrol all be considered Non-natural?
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It is a weird ever changing line from person to person.I think if you haven't used in a while and continued to grow afterwards,you can say you're natural.But then how long do you have to wait?IDK.I'd hate to stop designers or the real thing if I ever cross,put on an aditional 20lbs of muscle afterwards,and have people saying that I'm not natural because of so many cycles x amount of time ago.IDK and I don't care.I get bigger and stronger cause I enjoy it.I don't compete and don't plan to,and I don't play any sports.So whocares if I juiced or not?(My Mom!)
 
People split hairs on what 'natural' means. It is like a lawyer taking apart a case. I just always say I'm natural by WNBF's rules.


Some of the rules are kinda ridiculous though. IFBB pros who juice only need to be clean for a few years before they compete. It is hard to set rules for natural bodybuilding.
 
ReaperX said:
People split hairs on what 'natural' means. It is like a lawyer taking apart a case. I just always say I'm natural by WNBF's rules.


Some of the rules are kinda ridiculous though. IFBB pros who juice only need to be clean for a few years before they compete. It is hard to set rules for natural bodybuilding.
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You mean the IFBB pros only need to be clean for a few years before they can compete in "natural" contests... right?

There is no way those guys aren't sauced up year around. 280 and ripped... not on the sauce? No freakin way.
 
I'm not sure of the specific rules, but I think it is that they have to be drug-free for 2 years prior to competing. I guess technically an IFBB pro could go off the sauce for a few years then compete naturally.


This would be in extremely poor taste, and I doubt any one of them would do this.
 
Mulletsoldier said:
That raises an interesting question as to what is constitutive of 'natural'. If Ronnie Coleman were to quit using AAS tomorrow, train naturally for several years, and enter a natural competition, is he natural? To me, the only athletes I consider natural are those who have never used, or who's use was so negligible (such as Reaper's) that it had no effect.
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Well none of those certainly did anything for my size, might've made me harder for awhile, more veiny, but that's about it. I make no attempts to hide the fact that I did these 4 products in a very limited quantity over a relatively short time frame.. and certainly nothing I did back in 2006 helped me in my transformation during the USP product run..
In fact, and this is kinda funny, but because I thought Prime was a natty test booster (and now come to find it's not) -- I completed that whole prep w/o running a test booster of any kind (except the anabolic nature of Cissus/PowerFULL themselves)..
If that's not considered natural Mullet, than I sure don't know what the hell is..
 
Meanwhile, everybody I talked to at that show was telling me they were using this, that (LG's MMV2 was highly popular)..
Everything that you could buy at bbing.com (with the exception of 17-methyls) was legal at this show (since bbing.com was a sponsor I guess). I believe you had to be 1 yr. methyl-free.
 
I personally always felt 'all natural' means you've never used any types of hormones period, whether it's prohormones, steroids, pro-steroids. In the end they're all the same. Or if someone used AAS, then 15 years later they're 'clean' they could say 'I'm natural now and I've been so for 15 years'.
 
Ziquor said:
I personally always felt 'all natural' means you've never used any types of hormones period, whether it's prohormones, steroids, pro-steroids. In the end they're all the same. Or if someone used AAS, then 15 years later they're 'clean' they could say 'I'm natural now and I've been so for 15 years'.
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Guess it's all in how you define it.
My definition is if it's OTC & FDA legal, then you're good to go..
The only one I truly regret (and was duped by the evasiveness & dishonesty of the company) was the Halodrol. Gaspari did some bad sh!t there.. but in the world of supp marketing, is this really surprising? They should've been shut down for that nonsense..
 
I've always wondered about RD Jr's cardio health. He was arrested for cocaine possession what - 8, 9 times?



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And again.. where do you draw the line??
Trib, which raises LH levels (thereby altering your natural hormone structure) -- this makes you not natural?
 
snagency said:
And again.. where do you draw the line??
Trib, which raises LH levels (thereby altering your natural hormone structure) -- this makes you not natural?
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It's a close line but I think anything that 'enhances' your hormones by supressing your bodies natural hormone production such as PH/PS's, AAS, etc are 'unnatural'. Since Trib's doesn't stop natural hormone production, thus I'd consider it natural.
 
I find it funny when athletes get in trouble for failing a test for weed. Like it is somehow a 'performance enhancer'....
 
snagency said:
Well none of those certainly did anything for my size, might've made me harder for awhile, more veiny, but that's about it. I make no attempts to hide the fact that I did these 4 products in a very limited quantity over a relatively short time frame.. and certainly nothing I did back in 2006 helped me in my transformation during the USP product run..
In fact, and this is kinda funny, but because I thought Prime was a natty test booster (and now come to find it's not) -- I completed that whole prep w/o running a test booster of any kind (except the anabolic nature of Cissus/PowerFULL themselves)..
If that's not considered natural Mullet, than I sure don't know what the hell is..
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Ease up, I was not being accusatory. You are not natural, in my opinion, as I would classify natural as one who has never, nor plans on ever, using anabolic hormones as assistance for aesthetic gain. With 6 (?) cycles under your repertoire, some may consider you an experienced user.

With that being said, I believe you that these compounds negligibly contributed to your physique; however, that notwithstanding, I do not feel you are natural. That does nothing to diminish your drive and determination currently, though. Merely, you and I disagree on what is classified as 'natural'.

Btw, Prime produces a very significant myotropic response, beyond that of traditional herbal test boosters; it is more effective, in this respect, than a test booster.
 
Mulletsoldier said:
With 6 (?) cycles under your repertoire, some may consider you an experienced user.
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I believe the # was 4.
Damn, if I had only been laid four times in my life then, I guess by your definition I am one experienced mofo.. I oughtta write a sex book, be a male Dr. Ruth or something, with all of my experience..

This is simply incorrect, in my very humble opinion... While legal (even though the legality of said supplements is coming into question now) these compounds were still most definitely exogenous hormones ingested to produce a myotropic response - that is not natural. Legality does not define natural, in my opinion.
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First of all, this is your opinion, & you're entitled to it..

But then you turn around & say this:

Btw, Prime produces a very significant myotropic response..
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So it's okay to use a product that produces a myotropic response, as long as it does so on a non-hormonal basis???
Hmm.. seems a little hypocritical there Mullet, if the myotropic response defines natural to you.

It's all good tho.. I know what I've accomplished, and I'm open as to how I've done so. I stand by the statement that I've never done illegal (injectable or otherwise) AAS. Period. Anybody's entitled to think what they may.
 
snagency said:
I believe the # was 4.
Damn, if I had only been laid four times in my life then, I guess by your definition I am one experienced mofo.. I oughtta write a sex book, be a male Dr. Ruth or something, with all of my experience..
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Okay?

So it's okay to use a product that produces a myotropic response, as long as it does so on a non-hormonal basis???
Hmm.. seems a little hypocritical there Mullet, if the myotropic response defines natural to you.
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How is that hypocritical? Prime is not an exogenous hormone, is derived directly from plant matter, and helps to maximize, not replace the user's hormones. Myotropic response does not define natural to me, snagency, the replacement of hormones does.

It's all good tho.. I know what I've accomplished, and I'm open as to how I've done so. I stand by the statement that I've never done illegal (injectable or otherwise) AAS. Period. Anybody's entitled to think what they may.
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A.A.S., stands for Anabolic and Androgenic Steroids. Epistane, Halodrol, and the other steroids you used were steroids.
 
Mulletsoldier said:
How is that hypocritical? Prime is not an exogenous hormone, is derived directly from plant matter, and helps to maximize, not replace the user's hormones. Myotropic response does not define natural to me, snagency, the replacement of hormones does..
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Then spell things out more clearly. Myotropic was your term, such as to define natural. You did not clarify as to what you were specifying.


A.A.S., stands for Anabolic and Androgenic Steroids. Guess what? Epistane, Halodrol, and the other steroids you used were steroids.
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Guess what? Chemical classifications aside, these were legal OTC products when my experienced self used them.
You seem to be intent on airing your belief and opinion that I'm a steroid user. If this makes you feel better, helps you sleep at night, then by all means continue with your objective..
I make distinctions between PH/PS and AAS (I believe there's a conversion-process difference there, is there not?)
That is my definition. That's the only opinion I really give a sh!t about Mullet.
I'm not some young punk kid on these boards that's looking for your approval.
 
snagency said:
Then spell things out more clearly. Myotropic was your term, such as to define natural. You did not clarify as to what you were specifying.
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I never used the term myotropic to describe natural.

Guess what? Chemical classifications aside, these were legal OTC products when my experienced self used them.
You seem to be intent on airing your belief and opinion that I'm a steroid user. If this makes you feel better, helps you sleep at night, then by all means continue with your objective..
I make distinctions between PH/PS and AAS (I believe there's a conversion-process difference there, is there not?)
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No, there is not. Epistane is an active steroid in the epithio class. It requires no enzymatic conversion and is, in the eyes of chemists and the law a c-17 anabolic steroid.

That is my definition. That's the only opinion I really give a sh!t about Mullet.
I'm not some young punk kid on these boards that's looking for your approval.
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No, you are someone who is overreacting and becoming incredibly pissy at somebody disagreeing with your opinion. I suggest you chill out. Go for a run, hit the weights, whatever.
 
Mulletsoldier said:
No, there is not. Epistane is an active steroid in the epithio class. It requires no enzymatic conversion and is, in the eyes of chemists and the law (apparently everybody aside from you) a c-17 anabolic steroid.
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If that's the case, I bow to your book knowledge then Mullet. I guess all my experience in the matter is showing thru..
I am uneducated in this realm apparently.
What a juicer I am.

No, you are someone who is overreacting and becoming incredibly pissy at somebody disagreeing with your opinion. I suggest you chill out. Go for a run, hit the weights, whatever.
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Pissed, yes. Change that wording - I am not a housewife.
Your connotations are incredibly irritating..
If you perceive this as adversarial, you should possibly have more tact in which thread statements or comments you choose to jump in and respond to, and which ones you choose to ignore. One just might find such things disrespectful, and take an adversarial stance..
 
Sponsorship or not Mullet, I will not be talked down to.
You got a problem with company-consumer rapport, you should have pm'd me prior to this exchange.
 
snagency said:
If that's the case, I bow to your book knowledge then Mullet. I guess all my experience in the matter is showing thru..
I am uneducated in this realm apparently.
What a juicer I am.



Pissed, yes. Change that wording - I am not a housewife.
Your connotations are incredibly irritating..
If you perceive this as adversarial, you should possibly have more tact in which thread statements or comments you choose to jump in and respond to, and which ones you choose to ignore. One just might find such things disrespectful, and take an adversarial stance..
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This thread was open, as it is now. You should possibly consider what you put in your body before you plaster it on an open forum. If you find the truth disrespectful, then display less candor on an open board.

The wording fits the actions perfectly.
 
snagency said:
Sponsorship or not Mullet, I will not be talked down to.
You got a problem with company-consumer rapport, you should have pm'd me prior to this exchange.
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I don't see how informing you that a steroid is a steroid is speaking down to you? I think you are now finding out what you put in your body and are reacting to it poorly.
 
snagency,

I think you seriously need to reconsider what the facts are. You used steroids. Period. You may have all sorts of preconceived notions in your mind of what the products you used were and affirm those same by their properties or lack of such, but the fact is they are steroids and/or hormones and/or precursors to steroids and/or hormones. Whether OTC, illegal or otherwise, a steroid is a steroid.

You are not natural because you used these products regardless. I see no reason to elevate this matter to the last exchanges. Your may disagree with the evidence and the facts but it does not by any means change them.

Unless otherwise qualified or classified by a board or judges as legal in a particular competition you fail to meet the qualifications of a natural. Even if qualified or classified acceptable in that particular competition that does not negate the facts that they are still hormones, precursors to hormones/steroids or steroids themselves.
 
Hmmm.. must be roid rage I'm experiencing now then..
WTF. Once again, I bow to the more experienced hands on this forum.
 
There is no need to bow down to anyone. Nor am I by any means more experienced than you in my training. But I do apparently posses some facts that you may have been misinformed or mistaken about regarding the products that you used.

The fact is that you introduced exogenous hormones into your body, whether precursor, or directly active. This is a fact that you admitted yourself when you admitted taking what you did.

I could not care less if you did or did not. It does not diminish one bit the dedication, drive and discipline that is a prerequisite to attaining the physique you have achieved.

Please understand that this board is filled with many young men that are mistaken in the very same aspect and put themselves at considerable risk when consuming such products. Assuming this risk yourself with full awareness is one thing. Doing so without awareness is another. Being aware and denying the truth and fact of such (exogenous hormones - aka: steroids) is another entirely. The message needs to be clear for the younger, naive and more impressionable on the board.

There is no disrespect intended or implied. Mullet has also mentioned the very same, which by the way, my junior by many many years, in a much more clear and precise manner than myself. Please understand that there is no attack or judgment by me, and I am very certain by Mullet either. It is just a truth based on the facts and the evidence that you stated yourself.
 
No disrespect taken from you B. I do appreciate your clarification. When I say "bow to the more experienced hands" what I mean is I concede the point to your superior knowledge in this realm of information.
I am surprised to learn these things tonight..
I make no attempt to hide what I've used previously, nor will this knowledge change that.. It is what it is.
Nor will it change what has gotten me to this point, which is maniacal determination, structured training, smart dieting, and a never-ending quest to learn how to improve upon myself.
Thanks also to the couple of guys who have privately offered their support, much appreciated.
 
In Vin Diesel's case, it also leads to baldness and horrible acting skills. I think his IQ is low as well.
 
I'm a big fan of Stallone & Schwarzenegger movies, but I don't see an Academy Award in their futures.
 
Schwarz plays the same guy in every movie. LOL. The muscle head who can't speak english properly.


Stallone can act better. He's had some better movies where he actually is an actor, unlike Arnold, however Arnold is more popular though.
 
Stallone was juiced and with Micky Rourke in 'Get Carter'.



Stallone's face keeps widening as he keeps taking that GH.
 
ReaperX said:
Stallone was juiced and with Micky Rourke in 'Get Carter'.



Stallone's face keeps widening as he keeps taking that GH.
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Yeah I noticed in the new Rocky his face seemed wider than ever. In Stallone's second movie, the original Rocky from '76, he was as natural as could be at that stage. It was probably a few years before he started juicing. At the same time he was nominated for an Acadamy Award - but not again since, coincidence?
 
Ziquor said:
Yeah I noticed in the new Rocky his face seemed wider than ever. In Stallone's second movie, the original Rocky from '76, he was as natural as could be at that stage. It was probably a few years before he started juicing. At the same time he was nominated for an Acadamy Award - but not again since, coincidence?
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Hollywood rewards actors who use steroids. Yeah, Stallone's face keeps expanding with GH use.
 
Way too much GH use.
 

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