Vitargo vs Karbolic

That stack i use plus x factor, gives the most ridiculous pump.
 
The need for fast digesting carbs post workout provides us with a reason to include some of the most often avoided foods in bodybuilding. For example .... just about every carb loaded kids cereal out there .... pop tarts ... etc... So why would you pay big bucks for some fancy shmancy carb powder when what you need is fast digesting carbs with some sugar? Keeping in mind that as its been mentioned already on this post, this post workout protocol is not for everybody. Generally speaking its the hard-gainer who is frantic about this mysterious 'magic window' post workout. I tend to agree with some of the posts here already that if you haven't the time for a real meal then just down some protein (Whey isolate) and eat a real meal as soon as possible afterwards. That being said, when I feel the need after a particularly grueling workout, to refill the glycogen stores with a high carb mix in my post workout shake I go the simple route .... I grab a few handfuls of whatever cereal the kids have on the shelf at the time and toss it in the blender with my usual whey and a banana and call it good. Did this yesterday after a hardcore chest/back superset session. Golden Grahams was the cereal of choice yesterday .... along with 48g of whey, one banana, 5g creatine mono, 5g L-Glutamine, 2 teaspoons unsweatened cacao powder, and a small squirt of local honey. Blended up and drank it down .... yum ;) No need for the overpriced carb powders IMO
 
TKC432 said:
The need for fast digesting carbs post workout provides us with a reason to include some of the most often avoided foods in bodybuilding. For example .... just about every carb loaded kids cereal out there .... pop tarts ... etc... So why would you pay big bucks for some fancy shmancy carb powder when what you need is fast digesting carbs with some sugar? Keeping in mind that as its been mentioned already on this post, this post workout protocol is not for everybody. Generally speaking its the hard-gainer who is frantic about this mysterious 'magic window' post workout. I tend to agree with some of the posts here already that if you haven't the time for a real meal then just down some protein (Whey isolate) and eat a real meal as soon as possible afterwards. That being said, when I feel the need after a particularly grueling workout, to refill the glycogen stores with a high carb mix in my post workout shake I go the simple route .... I grab a few handfuls of whatever cereal the kids have on the shelf at the time and toss it in the blender with my usual whey and a banana and call it good. Did this yesterday after a hardcore chest/back superset session. Golden Grahams was the cereal of choice yesterday .... along with 48g of whey, one banana, 5g creatine mono, 5g L-Glutamine, 2 teaspoons unsweatened cacao powder, and a small squirt of local honey. Blended up and drank it down .... yum
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No need for the overpriced carb powders IMO
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IMO, preloading nutrients and having intra nutrients is probably more beneficial overall for muscle building/recovery (it’s a given that this is also dependent on training and length of a training session of course). It would also make post workout nutrition less relevant immediately post workout (still high advisable to get in some post workout nutrition/meal within 2 hours post workout though, just no need for it to be as immediate as possible to end of the workout).

So I agree that there’s no need for carb powders post workout, but they are of considerable value pre and intra which also has the “side effect” of making that fast digesting carbs post workout unnecessary (and if aminos/protein intake is good pre and intra workout, this also will go for the need of fast absorbing protein post, but it wouldn’t hurt of course).

I won’t lie, I’ve used plenty of Nesquik post workout personally :P Or a pop-tart and some milk.
 
I dnt know why everyone keep saying "overpriced". Bulk carb powders are like 20 dollars for 60-100 servings.

Every one has diff lifestyles here so the need for carbs are diff for some. That's why theres a market for these types of products
 
hardwork25 said:
I don't like potatoes intra workout but I do like something tasty to sip on.
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I swear by loaded baked potato intra ;)

Seriously though, aside from a couple products carb prices are reasonable.

I'd recommend HBCD or Karbolyn over Vitargo (mainly due to price) or Karbolic (which I believe is more like wms w the added gda ingredient, from my understanding).
 
Distilled Water said:
Guys please look up the structural difference between HBCD and vitargo or kaybolyn.

I really need to save the interview link in my notes to just paste so all this debate can be rested lol.

Again, intra carbs should be used as a recovery tool. None of this glycogen replenishment blah blah blah.
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:banghead: :lol:


Here's a post I made on the topic a while ago:

The main reasons I use an intra drink are to help with recovery, growth, and muscle retention. I've had a few lengthy posts breaking down intra-workout nutrition recently, which I'll try to find links to when I can get to a computer. The main idea is to slow MPB and increase MPS.

One benefit of HBCD that hasn't been mentioned is their cone shaped structure, which can trap other nutrients inside. HBCD have a high molecular weight and could bind to amino acids with a lower molecular weight, allowing both to be shuttled at the rate of the fast acting carbs.

Cyclodextrins are actually used in Febreze and are what "traps" the odors. Instead of trapping stink, you're trapping EAA, BCAA, hydrolyzed proteins, etc., which then get shuttled at a fast rate along with the HBCD.

I know I've mentioned this before, but I'd be more concerned with the rest of your diet before worrying about what protein and carb sources to use intra-workout. Intra-nutrition is only a part of peri-nutrition, which is only a part of one's overall nutrition. Having all aspects on point should help greatly with recovery and progress.
 
breezy11 said:
:banghead: :lol:


Here's a post I made on the topic a while ago:

The main reasons I use an intra drink are to help with recovery, growth, and muscle retention. I've had a few lengthy posts breaking down intra-workout nutrition recently, which I'll try to find links to when I can get to a computer. The main idea is to slow MPB and increase MPS.

One benefit of HBCD that hasn't been mentioned is their cone shaped structure, which can trap other nutrients inside. HBCD have a high molecular weight and could bind to amino acids with a lower molecular weight, allowing both to be shuttled at the rate of the fast acting carbs.

Cyclodextrins are actually used in Febreze and are what "traps" the odors. Instead of trapping stink, you're trapping EAA, BCAA, hydrolyzed proteins, etc., which then get shuttled at a fast rate along with the HBCD.

I know I've mentioned this before, but I'd be more concerned with the rest of your diet before worrying about what protein and carb sources to use intra-workout. Intra-nutrition is only a part of peri-nutrition, which is only a part of one's overall nutrition. Having all aspects on point should help greatly with recovery and progress.
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Great info on cyclodextrins!
 
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