Virginia TV reporter, photographer killed in shooting during live inte

Well just watched the videos. Why is the black 'gun mans' hand white? Did he wash his hands in bleach before the shooting? Too many red flags for me.
 
youngandfree said:
5 people mudere 29 and injuries 130 WITH KNIVES. what's your point. Population density accounts for numbers of murders. As I pointed out, we have the 3 largest population with almost 100 Million more than number 4. Yet WE HAVE 27 OTHER COUNTRIES WITH FEWER PEOPLE IN THEM COMMITTING MORE MURDERS EVERY YEAR.

The USA hasn't had a full scale invasion in a long time. Compared to other countries we are one of the youngest. Maybe you should keep an eye on the news with all the Muslims that have declared war on us and are planning and have committed terrorist attacks on our soil.

It means something to be an American. Should I remind you of the 3 unarmed American service men that saved an entire train from a crazed Muslim recently. There sure as hell weren't any French people going into action. How many times have we saved the French?

Anyway, you don't get it and you never will. You don't understand the rights that God ordained our founders to instill in the Constitution. If you've never had a certain right in another country, that we have here, you won't understand. But rest assured if some crazed person is going to do harm to you in your country, and there's an American that sees it happen, they will go into action and may be the first to die trying to save your ass.

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My issue isnt with weapons, its allowing access to weapons when you shouldnt need them. At home, fine, walking down the street or in a mall, not fine. Why do you feel the need to be constantly armed?

Hell, what is the purpose of open carrying? To intimidate? For protection? Yeah go to another first world country and what do you notice? None of that. And yet, no invasions, no reason to need them. If you like your gun, fine go crazy (not literally) but dont expect the world to agree with you.

Are the caps because your finger hit the button and it got stuck? Just breathe. Its the internet, not everyone will share your opinion.
 
The evidence is there as well:

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There is nothing wrong with a right to bear arms, unfortunately a lot of people misuse that right. Do you punish everyone equally or put more stringent controls on where they can be sold (including ammunition), who can buy them and where you can carry them
 
Jiigzz said:
My issue isnt with weapons, its allowing access to weapons when you shouldnt need them. At home, fine, walking down the street or in a mall, not fine. Why do you feel the need to be constantly armed?
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There are a lot of gang cities in the US. Real gangs, wannabe gangs, or people that just want what you have. I see the need for protection while on some streets, not all. Here in Montana you can open carry. Most don't. Streets feel safe at night. Big cities are much different.

There are numerous incidents of guns saving lives.

One story sticks with me. Young girl home alone hears someone breaking into the house. She goes down the stairs, sees two men entering the house. She runs to get a shotgun. As she comes back to the stairs they are almost to her. She fires, basically cutting the first man in half. She shoots the other while he is running away.
This was some time ago. I would rather hear of that instead of the girl being raped and killed by smug scumbags in a gun less society.
 
Jiigzz said:
My issue isnt with weapons, its allowing access to weapons when you shouldnt need them. At home, fine, walking down the street or in a mall, not fine. Why do you feel the need to be constantly armed?

Hell, what is the purpose of open carrying? To intimidate? For protection? Yeah go to another first world country and what do you notice? None of that. And yet, no invasions, no reason to need them. If you like your gun, fine go crazy (not literally) but dont expect the world to agree with you.

Are the caps because your finger hit the button and it got stuck? Just breathe. Its the internet, not everyone will share your opinion.
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Again, there are 27 more countries that have more murders per year. That's more evil people intentionally killing other people. With smaller populations. Their per capita murders are much higher than ours.

Again you and many other non Americans don't get it, and you think that the gun is the problem. It's not. Again as evidenced by dismissal of the numbers of countries that have more murders than we have.
 
youngandfree said:
Again, there are 27 more countries that have more murders per year. That's more evil people intentionally killing other people. With smaller populations. Their per capita murders are much higher than ours.

Again you and many other non Americans don't get it, and you think that the gun is the problem. It's not. Again as evidenced by dismissal of the numbers of countries that have more murders than we have.
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Yes let's compare a corrupt and poverty stricken country as a basis for fair comparison. In terms of gun violence, you sit near the top for countries in the OECD and have had 885 mass shootings since sandy hook.
 
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Whether it's an actual quote or not, you can rest assured it's more than true.

What does poverty and corruption have to do with anything? A fraction of our population has many times more murders, and we are the problem. Good thing for you New Zealand doesn't have to worry about invasions since there isn't anything worth taking.
 
youngandfree said:
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Whether it's an actual quote or not, you can rest assured it's more than true.

What does poverty and corruption have to do with anything? A fraction of our population has many times more murders, and we are the problem. Good thing for you New Zealand doesn't have to worry about invasions since there isn't anything worth taking.
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So someone made up a quote and attached his name to it? Awesome work.

"I kill everything I see" -Buddha

What does the US have thats worth takig that we dont have? That makes zero sense. But kudos on the well thought out and diplomatic response.

Yes let's keep comparing the US to the Honduras, whatever makes you feel better about your claim. We could do the same for all the Americans or Kiwis living below the poverty line - at least you and I have less of them than in Africa right? So let's not worry about them because they are worse off than those people.

C'mon man. Compare apples to apples.

Anywho, as I can see this 'debate' is going nowhere, lets just agree to disagree.
 
Jiigzz said:
Yes let's compare a corrupt and poverty stricken country as a basis for fair comparison. In terms of gun violence, you sit near the top for countries in the OECD and have had 885 mass shootings since sandy hook.
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Curious what the definition of mass shooting would be for the purposes of that total. 885 seems inflated. Does it total in drive by shootings even if no one was killed? Do they call it a mass shooting based on the amount of ammunition used during the event?
 
Otheridstaken said:
Curious what the definition of mass shooting would be for the purposes of that total. 885 seems inflated. Does it total in drive by shootings even if no one was killed? Do they call it a mass shooting based on the amount of ammunition used during the event?
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More than 4 people shot at I believe, and I would consider that a mass shooting myself.

Crazy always gonna crazy, unfortunately a few people ruin it for everybody
 
I think the reality is you'll find any link to warrant holding a firearm.
Sure in some cases having one is useful, but if youve been waiting since the war to be invaded again to validate holding one (as you pointed out earlier) then perhaps you dont carry one for protection against invasion, but just because you can?

And round and round we go :D

Theres no winning, so I will move a long. Good chat.

Fwiw I agree with Jim; I dont live there and it doesn't concern me. I just find it fascinating.
 
Otheridstaken said:
Wag the dog right? How do we know for sure it was real unless we witnessed with our own eyes?

Has anyone watched the youtube video of the father after the Sandy Hook shooting? Laughing it up, and then getting in character for the camera. Also, not one single teardrop. There were a lot of fingers in the corner of the eye.
I saw no outrage or anger that would fit that situation. I don't think any children died that day.
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Are you making a bad joke or are you the dumbest person on this board?
 
kisaj said:
Are you making a bad joke or are you the dumbest person on this board?
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Everyone would need IQ tests to answer that question properly.

The fact is, I know nothing about what happened there besides what I viewed on TV. When I see a 'father' laugh and then ask if they're ready, and he changes to shaky voice like he needs to act sad in that situation, yes I start to question every part of the given story. I know how I reacted through all the death in my family. I've seen real grief from others.

If someone knew a child or teacher killed that day then I'm the arse hole. I just don't like questions being unanswered for absolutely no reason.

Anymore Ad Hominem arguments?
 
Otheridstaken said:
Everyone would need IQ tests to answer that question properly.

The fact is, I know nothing about what happened there besides what I viewed on TV. When I see a 'father' laugh and then ask if they're ready, and he changes to shaky voice like he needs to act sad in that situation, yes I start to question every part of the given story. I know how I reacted through all the death in my family. I've seen real grief from others.

If someone knew a child or teacher killed that day then I'm the arse hole. I just don't like questions being unanswered for absolutely no reason.

Anymore Ad Hominem arguments?
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In times of sadness (losing my Grandma) I still had the capacity to laugh and smile - it doesn't make a situation fake, nor does it imply he is not sad simply because you think you wouldn't behave the same. He is not you, nor do you know why he was laughing and it is impossible to know how you would react under any situation you have never been in. Remember this, just because you react or behave one way, this doesn't mean everyone else does as well.

This is a portrayal of ONE mans reaction; watch other peoples reactions and you will see a stark opposite. Do not judge a situation by the reaction of one person or jump to the "fake and staged" notion because of it. Other peoples lives were ruined that day.

My thoughts anyway.
 
Otheridstaken said:
Everyone would need IQ tests to answer that question properly.

The fact is, I know nothing about what happened there besides what I viewed on TV. When I see a 'father' laugh and then ask if they're ready, and he changes to shaky voice like he needs to act sad in that situation, yes I start to question every part of the given story. I know how I reacted through all the death in my family. I've seen real grief from others.

If someone knew a child or teacher killed that day then I'm the arse hole. I just don't like questions being unanswered for absolutely no reason.

Anymore Ad Hominem arguments?
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Your problem is you are imposing your beliefs of the Newton father's press conference, which I don't disagree with, into this situation, which are no where close to being the same. When my father died suddenly last June 6, I still managed to go to a friend's wedding that night. Luckily it was I outside and I had on shades the whole time. I didn't really cry until I stood up and read what I put together at the funeral. It should have been a 2 minute piece, but it probably took 10 since I could barely breath in between sentences.
 
Jiigzz said:
In times of sadness (losing my Grandma) I still had the capacity to laugh and smile - it doesn't make a situation fake, nor does it imply he is not sad simply because you think you wouldn't behave the same. He is not you, nor do you know why he was laughing and it is impossible to know how you would react under any situation you have never been in. Remember this, just because you react or behave one way, this doesn't mean everyone else does as well.

This is a portrayal of ONE mans reaction; watch other peoples reactions and you will see a stark opposite. Do not judge a situation by the reaction of one person or jump to the "fake and staged" notion because of it. Other peoples lives were ruined that day.

My thoughts anyway.
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I work in the ER and let me tell you, people without a doubt handle death and tragedy in their own ways. Does it seem a little...insensitive and even a little strange when someone laughs after such a horrific tragedy such as sandy hook, etc? Absolutely. But, like Jiggz said, just because it isn't the way you handle loss and tragedy doesn't mean the entire thing was staged.

(Jiggz, im not directly speaking to you. Just adding to your post).
 
I'd like to hear everyone's stance on why it's a "gun problem" this time around but it was a "race problem" in South Carolina.
 
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