Very tired on 300mg Testc /wk??

Mcballz

Banned
Hey Guys!
First off thankyou for your time.
Thanks a heap to all who take the time to read this long boring post, and in advance to those who lend some advice to me. Words cannot describe the appreciation for your input.

I'm 29 years old.
234lbs (chubby with a little muscle)
6' 3"

What's led me to this point is erectile dysfunction. F__king sick of it.
It's a long story but basically twice in my life I've lost almost 100lbs. First time when I was 21-24 wasn't on purpose but put me on top of the world.

I was ripped, full 6 pack and everything at 184lbs. However I had the worst ED ever which sucked! Because every chick and their mother wanted a piece of me, so Id end up limp laying next to the hottest woman. And of course women think you're not attracted to them blah blah.

So anyways, went to the doctor, they checked my hormones, said I was fine and just needed mental therepy and it was all in my head... I KNEW that wasn't true. Wouldn't give me low dose Viag or anything just told me to f off. When I hit 26 I packed all 100lbs back on and felt worse than ever, however i only recall having a problem with my errection once, and I was boning an ugly sl_t every day just to get something.

Until last year I made a drastic change again. Moved to a little town and started running. Finally got the fire to change my diet and lost 85lbs in about 5 months. I quit smoking and drinking, was eating a very healthy low carb diet. Always felt really heavy and like an old man through out my whole body, and mentally burned out. But was happy I had lost the weight. This of course led to women taking interest in me, and once again the horrible erectile dysfunction had returned!.

I had a hunch something wasn't right when I stopped masturbeating and waking without a woody, but didn't care much about it because I didn't want sex! Didn't realize how crappy my libido was until I got a gf with a very strong libido. Anyways i was sick of it! I asked a bunch of my friends who drink and smoke a pack a day, don't exercise, eat junk food have NEVER had a problem with an errection. This led to me fiercly researching the problem which led to low testosterone. I read and read everything I could. I talked to two doctors who both refused to do anything about it.

Over the course of four blood test ranging (348 - 1196) i came in at 312, 324, 376, 409...

I don't get how the heck my test went up over the course of a few weeks. I went back to eating everything and not exercising as much in attempt to get my penis working for my new very horny Girl Friend, as I started gaining fat back my erectile function begine to improve a little bit, like what gives!?!? Lower Body fat is supposed to mean higher testosterone = Better libido and errections!. Every bloody time I do a light 20 minute jog I lose my libido and erectile function for days! Like wth!?! ,

After i finally felt like i learned enough to know what the heck I was doing I got a hold of some test cyp, HCG, and Adex.
I decided to go ahead and do a low cycle amount for the first time. I did bounce around on the dosage a little trying to make up my mind. I settled on 300mg weekly for the first 12 weeks to build back up some of the muscle and strength I lost losing weight, then maybe going down to 125 or 150mg weekly after that.

My protocol is ..
150mg Test Cyp
250 iu HCG
1mg Adex. All Every 3 days.

I pin some shots of test into body fat, some into muscle. Half and half, not sure which is better yet.



So it's been 5 weeks now. Libido is way improved! (Except today for some reason)
Erectile function is greatly improved. Except when I take adderall for work, I don't get as hard, but before I wouldn't have been able to get anything!. I haven't been feeling near as irrate and groutchy like I was before. I don't feel so heavy and weak. I wake up stronger,.i used to have trouble gripping things in the morning.
I can laugh again! . This may sound strange but before I felt like I couldn't laugh, my diaphragm always felt fatigued, and if I did manage to laugh it sounded fake and weird, it was miserable! Now I can laugh at something whole heartedly. Strange right?

I gained 10lbs my first two weeks, for a total of 234lbs today. Must be holding a lot of water.

The only issue is I'm feeling this weird tireredness. Like I want to go lay down while im at work. I need my motivation and energy to make money. But the longer the day goes the more tired I feel. My appetite has also gone way down for some reason. I haven't felt like eating much for the last 3 days, which is kinda a good thing. I want to get this extra fat back off. I was down to 195lbs, then gained back up to 235lbs... I hurt my knee doing sprints and have been waiting for that to heal so I can go again. Went to the gym once for an entire month because I guess I was waiting for the testosterone to make me feel more like going. But kept doing push ups and squats at home.

I don't know what it could be. I wouldn't assume it's estrogen since my errections and libido are great. Night and morning errections are too much now!.
Could I possibly have great sexual function on E2 high enough to crash my energy?

Could it be a test flu kicking in just now?

More info.

I take adderall but have lowered my dose to 10 to 20mg daily 4x per week, I avoide it on days I'm not working. I want to get off it completely when and if the test cyp gives me some real energy. I haven't been taking it very long, and started it a few months ago to compensate for my poor energy and focus.

I have taken fat burners for years like stacker 2 or 3 in place of energy drinks. Basically has all the same stuff as monsters or rock stars but way cheaper.
I take 500mg caffeine from stacker every work morning. Again I avoide it on my days off. I usually get 3 days off.

I smoke mj when I'm not working.
Pretty modest amounts. I'm not baked 24/7 like most guys. I usually leave that until the end of the day. It definetly helps with the cardio work out pain. Want to quit that to but can't sleep.

I was able to go for a run last night and made it the whole two miles. My knee did act up a bit and it's sore today so I'm going to give it a few days before I try again. Pretty worried about hurting it again to where I can barely walk on it.
I really felt the test on that run. It took me longer to fatigue and I felt much lighter.
But I guess that could have been the NO arginine supplement I take for errection quality.

I take fish oils and vitamins when I can remember to.

My diet is crap (I know). Lately my hunger crashed, started about 3 days ago. So I've only been getting down protein shakes and a little bit of meat and bread.
Before 3 days ago I was eating a carb heavy bullcrap diet. I'm so addicted to carbs again, I gotta find a way to get back control.
I hope the reduced hunger is the testosterone normalizing my hunger. And before I had unreasonable cravings from low T, high estro.

I did try var for 3 days last week and stopped because I felt like CRAP! . Started out with 40mg first day, felt like total crap, then went down to 20mg the next day, felt like crap. Poured out the capsule, weighed it on a small scale and took 5mg, felt like crap and that is where I stopped. Then felt a little better, but that kind of seems like that's when my hunger went down is when I started and stopped the avar. I took it with Cycle support from iron labs.

I wanted to drop some body fat really fast and suppress my hunger since I have zero self control regardless of how bad I want to get the man boobs back off, and fit back into all the nike sports wear that fit me great when I weighed 195lbs. I blame it mostly on my gf who faught and faught with me literally shoved the food she cooked at me. In the end I'm the one responsible, and I don't think I would have gained so much back if my testosterone was in healthy range. But if it wasn't for her I'd still be skinny and just trying to build muscle.

Im completely new to AAS but did quite a bit of weight training in my teens and younger 20s. I used to be pretty strong. I had my PT license back in 2006 but has expired. So i definitely know a little bit of sports nutrition and exercise.

Thanks a heap to all who took the time to read that long boring post, and in advance to those who lend some advice to me. Words cannot describe the appreciation for your input.

It all is so confusing and doesn't make sense how my body us acting. It's frustrating.
 
Hey Guys!
First off thankyou for your time.
Thanks a heap to all who take the time to read this long boring post, and in advance to those who lend some advice to me. Words cannot describe the appreciation for your input.

I'm 29 years old.
234lbs (chubby with a little muscle)
6' 3"

What's led me to this point is erectile dysfunction. F__king sick of it.
It's a long story but basically twice in my life I've lost almost 100lbs. First time when I was 21-24 wasn't on purpose but put me on top of the world.

I was ripped, full 6 pack and everything at 184lbs. However I had the worst ED ever which sucked! Because every chick and their mother wanted a piece of me, so Id end up limp laying next to the hottest woman. And of course women think you're not attracted to them blah blah.

So anyways, went to the doctor, they checked my hormones, said I was fine and just needed mental therepy and it was all in my head... I KNEW that wasn't true. Wouldn't give me low dose Viag or anything just told me to f off. When I hit 26 I packed all 100lbs back on and felt worse than ever, however i only recall having a problem with my errection once, and I was boning an ugly sl_t every day just to get something.

Until last year I made a drastic change again. Moved to a little town and started running. Finally got the fire to change my diet and lost 85lbs in about 5 months. I quit smoking and drinking, was eating a very healthy low carb diet. Always felt really heavy and like an old man through out my whole body, and mentally burned out. But was happy I had lost the weight. This of course led to women taking interest in me, and once again the horrible erectile dysfunction had returned!.

I had a hunch something wasn't right when I stopped masturbeating and waking without a woody, but didn't care much about it because I didn't want sex! Didn't realize how crappy my libido was until I got a gf with a very strong libido. Anyways i was sick of it! I asked a bunch of my friends who drink and smoke a pack a day, don't exercise, eat junk food have NEVER had a problem with an errection. This led to me fiercly researching the problem which led to low testosterone. I read and read everything I could. I talked to two doctors who both refused to do anything about it.

Over the course of four blood test ranging (348 - 1196) i came in at 312, 324, 376, 409...

I don't get how the heck my test went up over the course of a few weeks. I went back to eating everything and not exercising as much in attempt to get my penis working for my new very horny Girl Friend, as I started gaining fat back my erectile function begine to improve a little bit, like what gives!?!? Lower Body fat is supposed to mean higher testosterone = Better libido and errections!. Every bloody time I do a light 20 minute jog I lose my libido and erectile function for days! Like wth!?! ,

After i finally felt like i learned enough to know what the heck I was doing I got a hold of some test cyp, HCG, and Adex.
I decided to go ahead and do a low cycle amount for the first time. I did bounce around on the dosage a little trying to make up my mind. I settled on 300mg weekly for the first 12 weeks to build back up some of the muscle and strength I lost losing weight, then maybe going down to 125 or 150mg weekly after that.

My protocol is ..
150mg Test Cyp
250 iu HCG
1mg Adex. All Every 3 days.

I pin some shots of test into body fat, some into muscle. Half and half, not sure which is better yet.



So it's been 5 weeks now. Libido is way improved! (Except today for some reason)
Erectile function is greatly improved. Except when I take adderall for work, I don't get as hard, but before I wouldn't have been able to get anything!. I haven't been feeling near as irrate and groutchy like I was before. I don't feel so heavy and weak. I wake up stronger,.i used to have trouble gripping things in the morning.
I can laugh again! . This may sound strange but before I felt like I couldn't laugh, my diaphragm always felt fatigued, and if I did manage to laugh it sounded fake and weird, it was miserable! Now I can laugh at something whole heartedly. Strange right?

I gained 10lbs my first two weeks, for a total of 234lbs today. Must be holding a lot of water.

The only issue is I'm feeling this weird tireredness. Like I want to go lay down while im at work. I need my motivation and energy to make money. But the longer the day goes the more tired I feel. My appetite has also gone way down for some reason. I haven't felt like eating much for the last 3 days, which is kinda a good thing. I want to get this extra fat back off. I was down to 195lbs, then gained back up to 235lbs... I hurt my knee doing sprints and have been waiting for that to heal so I can go again. Went to the gym once for an entire month because I guess I was waiting for the testosterone to make me feel more like going. But kept doing push ups and squats at home.

I don't know what it could be. I wouldn't assume it's estrogen since my errections and libido are great. Night and morning errections are too much now!.
Could I possibly have great sexual function on E2 high enough to crash my energy?

Could it be a test flu kicking in just now?

More info.

I take adderall but have lowered my dose to 10 to 20mg daily 4x per week, I avoide it on days I'm not working. I want to get off it completely when and if the test cyp gives me some real energy. I haven't been taking it very long, and started it a few months ago to compensate for my poor energy and focus.

I have taken fat burners for years like stacker 2 or 3 in place of energy drinks. Basically has all the same stuff as monsters or rock stars but way cheaper.
I take 500mg caffeine from stacker every work morning. Again I avoide it on my days off. I usually get 3 days off.

I smoke mj when I'm not working.
Pretty modest amounts. I'm not baked 24/7 like most guys. I usually leave that until the end of the day. It definetly helps with the cardio work out pain. Want to quit that to but can't sleep.

I was able to go for a run last night and made it the whole two miles. My knee did act up a bit and it's sore today so I'm going to give it a few days before I try again. Pretty worried about hurting it again to where I can barely walk on it.
I really felt the test on that run. It took me longer to fatigue and I felt much lighter.
But I guess that could have been the NO arginine supplement I take for errection quality.

I take fish oils and vitamins when I can remember to.

My diet is crap (I know). Lately my hunger crashed, started about 3 days ago. So I've only been getting down protein shakes and a little bit of meat and bread.
Before 3 days ago I was eating a carb heavy bullcrap diet. I'm so addicted to carbs again, I gotta find a way to get back control.
I hope the reduced hunger is the testosterone normalizing my hunger. And before I had unreasonable cravings from low T, high estro.

I did try var for 3 days last week and stopped because I felt like CRAP! Started out with 40mg first day, felt like total crap, then went down to 20mg the next day, felt like crap. Poured out the capsule, weighed it on a small scale and took 5mg, felt like crap and that is where I stopped. Then felt a little better, but that kind of seems like that's when my hunger went down is when I started and stopped the avar. I took it with Cycle support from iron labs.

I wanted to drop some body fat really fast and suppress my hunger since I have zero self control regardless of how bad I want to get the man boobs back off, and fit back into all the nike sports wear that fit me great when I weighed 195lbs. I blame it mostly on my gf who faught and faught with me literally shoved the food she cooked at me. In the end I'm the one responsible, and I don't think I would have gained so much back if my testosterone was in healthy range. But if it wasn't for her I'd still be skinny and just trying to build muscle.

Im completely new to AAS but did quite a bit of weight training in my teens and younger 20s. I used to be pretty strong. I had my PT license back in 2006 but has expired. So i definitely know a little bit of sports nutrition and exercise.

Thanks a heap to all who took the time to read that long boring post, and in advance to those who lend some advice to me. Words cannot describe the appreciation for your input.

It all is so confusing and doesn't make sense how my body us acting. It's frustrating.

First, let me say I wish you the best of luck in finding your personal happiness. Please don't take anything I say next as negative. It's just my interpretation of what you've written here.

With that out of the way, go back and look at some of the things you've said, which I have highlighted.

Weight fluctuating up and down over the years. Libido fluctuating up and down over the years. Happiness fluctuating up and down over the years. Struggling to find motivation to exercise. Likely poor sleeping habits. Inability to target the real issues that are causing all of these swings and fluctuations. Admitted to poor eating habits, lack of self-control, yo-yo dieting (which conincides with low-libido). Heavy use of stimulants and fatburners to make up for all of the poor habits that have been instituted over the years. When this fails to work the way you want, your next step to make up for your poor lifestyle choices is steroids. This may work short-term but I assure you if all of the other issues persist, this will not only come about full circle, it will only get worse.

In all honestly, you sound lost. The low Testosterone may very well be a contributing factor in all of this, but having a slightly raised level of TT is not a cure-all and will certainly not elevate you to the man you hope to be. And with what you have shown, to yourself, and to us with this post, you are reaching and hoping for something, anything, to be a magic pill for you.

My first bit of advice would be to keep meeting with doctors until you feel your health concerns are addressed. Self-medicating in this situation will ABSOLUTELY lead to more problems down the road. If you have to tell a few doctors to screw-off, that might just be what you have to do. Search until you find a doctor that will work with you. This my even involve reaching out to renowned doctors over the internet.

Second. Ask yourself if you really want to be a better version of yourself. If the answer is yes, address the issues that you know are the problem, and address them head on. No BS. Instead of wasting money on supplements, hire a nutritionist and eat towards your goal. Eat healthy fats. Stop going on extreme cuts to lose weight - this will only damage your metabolism and increase the likelihood of weight gain, as well as lower your Testosterone. Eat a balanced diet that supports healthy Testosterone levels in men - do some research on this. Take responsibillity for what YOU put into your body. Do NOT blame anybody else for the decisions YOU make. Take ownership of ALL of your actions. The buck will forever and ever stop with you!

Third. Train. Period. Don't wait for stims and steroids to give you the motivation you desire. The results will be your motivation. If you can't rely on yourself, without the "help", you will never be successful in acheiving the physique you want. Unless of course you desire to be one of those guys that runs grams of gear year 'round to support a false sense of who you are...And stop doing LISS cardio if it makes you feel like crap. It has been shown to lower T levels anyway. Do some research on HIIT.

Fourth. The blame game. I mean this with all sincerity....Man up! Don't blame anybody else for the decisions you have made. Peroid! We are all responsible for the things we do and say, no matter what. Your girlfriend is not responsible for your weight gain. Ask yourself this...the "problems" that you feel you have now, were they not there before she existed in your life? Sounds like it from what you're written here. But even if she had been around for all of it, we all have free will. Blame is merely an excuse for those that have yet to do what they KNOW they need to do to improve themselves.

Fifth. Take small steps and stop the yo-yo effect. Do you not see a pattern of extremes in you life? Do you have an addictive personality? Do you have a short temper where you are quick to judge and blame? Small steps. Learn to eat a proper diet. Learn what food and vitamins you can take to naturally support healthy Testosrerone levels. Train for your goal. And if you are tired, instead of giving into this mental defeat, meet yourself in the middle. Instead of lifting weights, go for an hour-long walk with your girl. Go for a bike ride. Stay active no matter what!

Sixth. Stop giving into the same things you have always give into. Where has that really gotten you anyway? Make some drastic positive changes. You can't expect the results to change if you continue to do the same things over and over again. And stop being so hard on yourself! It took me a long time to realize that I was my own worst enemy. I have always been so incredibly hard on myself. I used to yell and curse at myself because I always expected perfection.....but I never changed the things in my life that were necessary to change, in order to make those improvements. It's kind of like yelling at a wall and then wondering why it won't yell back at you.

Lastly. Seek some counsel. Even if you don't feel you need it. Be honest with yourself here. Despite really wanting something, have you been able to achieve it by yourself? And please don't blame low T for a 100lb weight gain. Again, it may very well be a contributing factor but it is not the ultimate reason for that much weight gain. Your lifestyle choices are! This help that I suggest you might seek, it can come in many different forms. I would seriously look into a lifestyle coach/nutritionist, though. There is no shame in that. We can all learn from others. Sometimes it just takes a different perspective to spark the necessary change inside of us. A different set of eyes......

If you can fix or change all of the things that are contributing to the negative aspects of your life, this will be a huge step in the right direction. You mayn not even need TRT or medical intervention at that point in time. If for whatever reason you do need hormonal help, it will be the cherry on top to all of the other changes you have already made. It is not a magic pill though. It just isn't. You are the magc pill!

Wishing you the best and hoping you seek the changes you need to become a better version of yourself. If you really want the ideal version of yourself, don't let anythig convince you otherwise. You are the only one that has to live with you...forever.


PS - in case I didn't make it clear earlier, drasctic cuts/calorie restriction for prolonged periods of time not only have the chance of damaging the metabolism, they also can and will drastically lower Testosterone levels. This is likely why you have poor libido and/or ED when you are ripped and also why your libido comes back when you start eating again.... It's the extremes that are your enemy, and they will continue to be your enemy until you find the answers that lay somewhere in the middle.

Cheers.
 
Thanks for your reply. It was nice to hear some down to earth advice I probably needed to hear. All criticism taken as constructive.

Although at this point it really has been my magic pill. It has done and fixed everything I thought it would, except my energy which I think I need to donate some blood. Or let it pass. I'll figure it out hopefully. My quality of life has gone up so much I would dang near call it magic.
Yea I appear to be yoyo dieting over the years, but that's just the fat kid inside not giving up, so give me SOME credit, it's not thatI think that's an effective way of life. I was fat as a kid, my entire life. Miserable. I think I'm just ment to be that way but not if I can help it.
I'm not wanting a magic pill to look good and get all ripped. I just wanted to get my test levels up where they should be. Maybe a little more. I'm not sure if you know what low testosterone feels like, but it sucks. I feel so much better now, and it's probably just I'm feeling normal.

Again thanks for your reply. I appreciate everything you took the time to tell me.
 
Take your time. I know it's stupid long. Just be sure to tell me what YOU think. I already got blown out of the water. Lol!
 
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