Very Important Points to Remember

[farmer]

I think we all get fixed on what chems will keep what hormone in oil at what mg/ml ratios and forget some important points. You probably all know most of this, but this is just a refresher. I learned it the hard way all over again last week.

1. Don't experiment with large doses. Use no more than 1/10 ml and give it a day or so. Maybe even repeat this. This gives you an idea of sterility, pain, allergies, and whether the solution will crystalize.

2. In my experience, high mg/ml ratios give problems. There are of course a few exceptions, but in general they are a pain for the homebrewer.

3. Just because something looks good in the vial doesn't mean it's going to be stable inside you. I have half of a golf ball under my skin right now because I didn't follow these rules. Crystalline depots are no fun and will put you down.

4. Regarding #3...If the carrier and solvent leave the hormone behind too quickly, you are in trouble. Perfect reason to follow rule #1.

This may be the most uninteresting post on this board but I am trying to save everyone from learning the hard way. Now I'm wonder if I should try and drain this lump or let it go and see what happens. Damn I hate the thought of putting a dart in it.

 

[ManBeast]

What were you using, so we can avoid this combination?

ManBeast

 

[Skye]

leave it alone, it will go away in time. the resent time in depot should always be one of your first considerations when figuring out a formula. (one of the major drawbacks of PEG and PG) I have done this many, many times

As for high mg/ml items I think there are great. but I never use them strieght anymore. I always take them with other gear or sterile oil. Mixing several types of high mg/ml gear has the same effect of lowering the total mg/ml (in lawmans terms the differnt esters of gear don't "see" each other and can't from crystals togather)

 

[farmer]

What were you using, so we can avoid this combination?

ManBeast

4AD base in water suspension caused the lump. But I think most anything would have done it. I was trying to find something that would work sub-q so I could give my muscles a rest.

I'll be trying a water kit from a well known kitmaker shortly who says it will definitely work. We'll see.

Oh yeah, the water/sterility issue was not the problem. Everything was sterile. I just saw that everything was holding fine in the solvent so I added the water one drop at a time to get the smallest particles possible. Forgot one of the golden rules: Crystal depots hurt

Used Peg400 and BA in a 1:1 ratio, then used two ml per gram for the solvent.

 

[Skye]

4AD base in water suspension caused the lump. But I think most anything would have done it. I was trying to find something that would work sub-q so I could give my muscles a rest.

I'll be trying a water kit from a well known kitmaker shortly who says it will definitely work. We'll see.

Oh yeah, the water/sterility issue was not the problem. Everything was sterile. I just saw that everything was holding fine in the solvent so I added the water one drop at a time to get the smallest particles possible. Forgot one of the golden rules: Crystal depots hurt

Used Peg400 and BA in a 1:1 ratio, then used two ml per gram for the solvent.

I wouldn't recomend that bro. sup q really only works with small amounts of stuff and you have to take way too much 4AD if I remember right.
Just an idea but what about 5%ba and 15%BB with PEG? Holds most anything if you cook it right.