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Vector hype or spot on?

mikeymike85 said:
Lol at these I've gained 10 lbs to all my lifts in 3 weeks. Anyone can do that, with or without placebo from some natural anabolic. Natural anabolics blow....its for people who are too scared to run real **** and get real gains. Seen it firsthand.
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Mike. You may want to avoid the Supplement Forum, as you will constantly be disappointed due to your being an
a s s h o l e.
 
BBiceps said:
Follidrone= Scam
Vector= Good stuff

Don’t expect too much though...
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I knew it, Had a feeling the epi products were chit
 
mikeymike85 said:
Lol at these I've gained 10 lbs to all my lifts in 3 weeks. Anyone can do that, with or without placebo from some natural anabolic. Natural anabolics blow....its for people who are too scared to run real **** and get real gains. Seen it firsthand.
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Lol "scared to get real gains". Yeah, I'm sure that's why everyone doesn't do steroids. They're just afraid to be Uge.....
 
fightnews said:
Lol "scared to get real gains". Yeah, I'm sure that's why everyone doesn't do steroids. They're just afraid to be Uge.....
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mikeymike85 said:
Good advice. Just stating my opinion, clearly I hit a nerve with you.
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The person above you explained it better, but the nerve is all yours. Obviously you're triggered by natties whom don't care to do insulin, and other anabolics risking their long and short term health in order to gain a prize. Natural anabolics have been proven to help people maximize their potential.

Naturals extend your life and well being at the very least. It's up to anyone willing to put the other 2/3 fo the work in like anything. Supplements. Those are called that for a reason, because they supplement. SFB.
 
mikeymike85 said:
Lol at these I've gained 10 lbs to all my lifts in 3 weeks. Anyone can do that, with or without placebo from some natural anabolic. Natural anabolics blow....its for people who are too scared to run real **** and get real gains. Seen it firsthand.
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.....said the wise man.
 
justhere4comm said:
The person above you explained it better, but the nerve is all yours. Obviously you're triggered by natties whom don't care to do insulin, and other anabolics risking their long and short term health in order to gain a prize. Natural anabolics have been proven to help people maximize their potential.

Naturals extend your life and well being at the very least. It's up to anyone willing to put the other 2/3 fo the work in like anything. Supplements. Those are called that for a reason, because they supplement. SFB.
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Did I drop your stock portfolio in natural anabolics or something? Jesus dude lmao
 
If my new butt may land somewhere in the middle :-) I see a point to both sides, supps (like creatine for example) have a very high probability (some high meat eaters don't respond) of adding to performance. On the other side - if you *can't* stick a 5lb plate to either side of your flat bench press after 3 weeks by just eating, sleeping, and using proper programming - warning, Will Robinson.
 
justhere4comm said:
Patrick Arnold is a genius and respected in the industry.
I'm not going to pump 50x for one application of any product. I could be wrong, but that would get old fast, and it's expensive.

There was a staining issue I read about it as well, post application, on clothing. Has that been validated or no longer an issue?
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It litterally takes less than 1.5mins to apply. I have used many of PA's sprays and see people make similar statements but if you ever try one it takes little actual time to achieve application. I spray, shave brush my teeth and am good to go. It really is easy and should not be the only reason to not try his stuff. I have not used the epi as I am happy with FD2.0.
 
mikeymike85 said:
Lol at these I've gained 10 lbs to all my lifts in 3 weeks. Anyone can do that, with or without placebo from some natural anabolic. Natural anabolics blow....its for people who are too scared to run real **** and get real gains. Seen it firsthand.
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Scared of a felony record and losing my ability to work in my field thus flushing my education down the toilet, yup I'm scared of that. People act like buying steroids is like buying candy. Some of us are simply not willing to break the law for muscle no matter how small the actual liklihood of getting caught is. I used to be younger and willing to risk things I simply am not going to do now. If the law was to change tomorrow and I could get all the test I wanted legally I would probably use creatine and protein and call it a day. Until the day this country actually becomes free I am personally going to play by the rules no matter how much they suck.
 
DaeshDontSurf said:
If my new butt may land somewhere in the middle :-) I see a point to both sides, supps (like creatine for example) have a very high probability (some high meat eaters don't respond) of adding to performance. On the other side - if you *can't* stick a 5lb plate to either side of your flat bench press after 3 weeks by just eating, sleeping, and using proper programming - warning, Will Robinson.
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Well if you have been lifting for a LONG time consistantly, I have been lifting for 25 year but took long breaks in there so not me personally, but expecting to consistently add 10lbs to lifts every three weeks by food alone is funny and completely unatainable for a guy who is maxed and has been at this 20 years. Now of course this describes very few people on here and in general.
 
BCseacow83 said:
Well if you have been lifting for a LONG time consistantly, I have been lifting for 25 year but took long breaks in there so not me personally, but expecting to consistently add 10lbs to lifts every three weeks by food alone is funny and completely unatainable for a guy who is maxed and has been at this 20 years. Now of course this describes very few people on here and in general.
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Agree - 15, 20 + years, especially if programming has been spot on as the knowledge base grows, is nearing the genetic ceiling (and this includes massive drug users as well - I doubt Phil H adds even a pound of lbm in a year, or is adding 30lbs to his 1rm squat). There is a limit that no amount of anything will break. Like you said, very few people on here are near or at that limit. I certainly wasn't suggesting that linear progression could continue indefinitely.
 
BCseacow83 said:
Scared of a felony record and losing my ability to work in my field thus flushing my education down the toilet, yup I'm scared of that. People act like buying steroids is like buying candy. Some of us are simply not willing to break the law for muscle no matter how small the actual liklihood of getting caught is. I used to be younger and willing to risk things I simply am not going to do now. If the law was to change tomorrow and I could get all the test I wanted legally I would probably use creatine and protein and call it a day. Until the day this country actually becomes free I am personally going to play by the rules no matter how much they suck.
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I'm with you 100%... Protein and Creatine, yes, that is absolutely worth the money. I just see a lot of pedaling of $50-75 supplements that gets marketed as results on par with a SARM or Mild PH and people get suckered into buying it because they read these outlandish claims. The only thing I would ever spend $50 on is M-Test, X-Gels, Protein, Creatine. Boom.
 
mikeymike85 said:
I'm with you 100%... Protein and Creatine, yes, that is absolutely worth the money. I just see a lot of pedaling of $50-75 supplements that gets marketed as results on par with a SARM or Mild PH and people get suckered into buying it because they read these outlandish claims. The only thing I would ever spend $50 on is M-Test, X-Gels, Protein, Creatine. Boom.
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This post comes across as far more reasonable than some of your others. I get it as I have been using supps/hormones for decades. Hormones are great no doubt but not for everyone and every circumstance. I will say this I have had natty runs that were as successful as some of the mild PH's like 4/1 dhea. Have I ever used anything natural that came close to 4diol and M1T? Heck no. Also as you age some of the DS/PH's really make you feel like crap. I used to tolerate the hardcore stuff far better. Now taking something that has a positive effect but is at least neutral on quality of life is my top priority along side legality. A great man I know once said thats why they make 31 flavors, something for everyone.

I for one will try vector when I can afford it as I have liked BLR products in the past and have had great natty runs in the past so maybe this will be the next one.
 
BCseacow83 said:
This post comes across as far more reasonable than some of your others. I get it as I have been using supps/hormones for decades. Hormones are great no doubt but not for everyone and every circumstance. I will say this I have had natty runs that were as successful as some of the mild PH's like 4/1 dhea. Have I ever used anything natural that came close to 4diol and M1T? Heck no. Also as you age some of the DS/PH's really make you feel like crap. I used to tolerate the hardcore stuff far better. Now taking something that has a positive effect but is at least neutral on quality of life is my top priority along side legality. A great man I know once said thats why they make 31 flavors, something for everyone.

I for one will try vector when I can afford it as I have liked BLR products in the past and have had great natty runs in the past so maybe this will be the next one.
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Respect. I have slowed down my PH usage as they don't hit the body like they used to. I have used many natty products and will continue to do so as they add the edge that I would like to see.
 
At 50 years of age - Vector does as much for me as a mild PH cycle with no side effects and no PCT. I have been running it as a staple since it came out (along with Folidrone which i have been running for 2.5 years).
 
I’m 3 weeks in Vector and I haven’t had much strength gains but I can definitely tell it has a GDA effect as I feel “thick” all day. I’ve ate like crap also and I’m staying very lean and I look more vascular. I’ve been working a lot more than normal so I haven’t really been able to workout more than 2-3 times a week, so it’ll be interesting when I can get back serious with my diet and workouts.
 
I just received Vector. Going to stack with Follidrone.

Can someone clarify how to take vector on training days and no training days? I workout around 6pm so should I take the first 3 caps around breakfast or lunch and the next 3 caps preworkout? That's what I do for the Folli (1 cap earlier, 2 caps pwo)

On no training days do you just take 3 and 3?

Thanks
 
sdub88 said:
I just received Vector. Going to stack with Follidrone.

Can someone clarify how to take vector on training days and no training days? I workout around 6pm so should I take the first 3 caps around breakfast or lunch and the next 3 caps preworkout? That's what I do for the Folli (1 cap earlier, 2 caps pwo)

On no training days do you just take 3 and 3?

Thanks
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Exactly - I tried all kinds of dosing and 3 caps in the AM and 3 caps pre-workout (I prefer it on an empty stomach) works great. And I dose Folidrone just like you do. On non training days 3 and 3. Sometimes I dose 4 caps Vector / 2 caps Folidrone pre-workout.
 
bigsmall said:
Exactly - I tried all kinds of dosing and 3 caps in the AM and 3 caps pre-workout (I prefer it on an empty stomach) works great. And I dose Folidrone just like you do. On non training days 3 and 3. Sometimes I dose 4 caps Vector / 2 caps Folidrone pre-workout.
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I’ve tried sosing Vector before my biggest meals, but I also get no hypo signs with dosing empty stomach. Do tou feel pre workout dosing has acute effects?
 
With vector you really can’t go wrong with dosing, waking, empty stomach, pre/post meal and workouts before bed. I tried 2-4 caps preworkout, liked 3 the most off days was 222.
 
herosjourney said:
I’ve tried sosing Vector before my biggest meals, but I also get no hypo signs with dosing empty stomach. Do tou feel pre workout dosing has acute effects?
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Vector pre-workout dosing on an empty or somewhat empty stomach is the best use of Vector imo.
 
Kaiyas_daddy said:
Dudes not convinced and everyone has said it’s the best natty anabolic most have used. Guess we gotta hype it like muscle tech ads. Or spike it with dbol.
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Comparing follidrone to Halotestin and
Vector testers reporting 15 pound gains AND fat loss... That far exceeds any muscle tech ad ever...
 
aovereem said:
Comparing follidrone to Halotestin and
Vector testers reporting 15 pound gains AND fat loss... That far exceeds any muscle tech ad ever...
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Shame your missing out. It’s really a great product.
 
aovereem said:
Comparing follidrone to Halotestin and
Vector testers reporting 15 pound gains AND fat loss... That far exceeds any muscle tech ad ever...
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Vector is by far the best natty product ever made. You should try it unless your afraid you cannot eat enough to gain 15lbs in a couple of months.
 
Been on Vector, FD2 for going on 3 months here are a few before and current picsInvalid Link RemovedInvalid Link Removed
 
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