Haven't used vassive-no before, but I have used Jacked and its good stuff. My favorites right now are No shotgun and Jacked, you really can't go wrong with either.
I tried it when it came out, both that and the Vassive CE. Both worked well for me, but since then, I've moved on. Jacked isn't bad, but if you'r looking for a pre-workout supp, my preference is JP8. Good luck!!
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