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Using ULTRA HOT during and after HRT

Mr. V

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I just finished my first HRT cycle. It looked like this:

12 weeks Test Cyp, 200mg 1 x per week
HCG-250iu 2 x per week
Ultra HOT starting week 8- 3 caps at night

PCT 2 weeks
HCG 500iu per day
Ultra HOT 3 per day

What do you think? Is this enough PCT? Is it bad to use HCG during cycle?

Is ULTRA HOT powerful enough to use in place of injectable HRT going forward?
 
Few Doctors know anything about proper HRT administration let alone ALR products, so can please get back to the topic?
 
Mr. V said:
I just finished my first HRT cycle. It looked like this:

12 weeks Test Cyp, 200mg 1 x per week
HCG-250iu 2 x per week
Ultra HOT starting week 8- 3 caps at night

PCT 2 weeks
HCG 500iu per day
Ultra HOT 3 per day

What do you think? Is this enough PCT? Is it bad to use HCG during cycle?

Is ULTRA HOT powerful enough to use in place of injectable HRT going forward?
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Please do not mistake anything here as intended medical advise, but I believe I can give you some insights that may be of consideration.

HRT stands for Hormone Replacement Therapy. As such it suggests that its use is intended to replace what the body cannot make. In the case of testosterone replacement therapy, it is usually as a result of a "break down" in HPTA function resulting in the testes leydig cells failing to produce optimal androgen levels. In short "the Boys" ain't kickin'.

Sometimes this is a matter of simple cell burn out from age or life's events. More often it is a failure of another gland in the HPTA (Please read the write up at Invalid Link Removed for more info) resulting in the leydig cells not getting the "make androgens" signal. This is normally a result of negative feedback loops shutting the HPTA down or limiting its function.

We sell quite a bit Ultra HOT to HRT clinics. This does not mean that it can "fix any shortcoming", but it does a great job of dealing with both negative feedback loops. I will go on record and say that I will put Ultra HOT against HCG anytime. (Yes, you can quote that) Almost every subject has achieved superior testosterone levels with Ultra HOT than they did with HCG. And the effect lasts months longer. Interesting side note: AI compounds normally cause some negative alteration in lipid profiles (cholesterol). Ultra HOT improves them...and no this is not a drug or sales claim. Just interesting. (Geez, now I need to post a link or something to prove this)
 
Mr. V said:
I just finished my first HRT cycle. It looked like this:

12 weeks Test Cyp, 200mg 1 x per week
HCG-250iu 2 x per week
Ultra HOT starting week 8- 3 caps at night

PCT 2 weeks
HCG 500iu per day
Ultra HOT 3 per day

What do you think? Is this enough PCT? Is it bad to use HCG during cycle?

Is ULTRA HOT powerful enough to use in place of injectable HRT going forward?
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How is this considered HRT if you're coming off? Typically, HRT means that you're using exogeneous test therapy for the rest of your life. All this was, was a low dose test cycle. Also, you shoudln't use HCG during your PCT as it's suppressive to the HPTA. All it does is "mimic" LH.

And 2 weeks is not long enough....btw, I'm guessing you weren't using any SERMS??

To me, you need to do a lot more research going by the info you've given...unless you're leaving some things out? :confused:
 
Author L. Rea said:
Interesting side note: AI compounds normally cause some negative alteration in lipid profiles (cholesterol). Ultra HOT improves them...and no this is not a drug or sales claim. Just interesting. (Geez, now I need to post a link or something to prove this)
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Nope not going to ask for a link, but I am going to ask you to speculate;) Why would Ultra Hot improve lipid profiles when it has been shown that Rebound XT (which uses ATD as its only active AI) supresses lipid profiles? Could it be the inclusion of 3-OHAT or something else?

Thanks,
bow
 
bow said:
Why would Ultra Hot improve lipid profiles when it has been shown that Rebound XT (which uses ATD as its only active AI) supresses lipid profiles? Could it be the inclusion of 3-OHAT or something else?
Thanks,
bow
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Actually, I believe there is some research that indicates that ATD is not a negative impact on blood lipids b/c it is a steroidal aromatase inhibitor. interesting to say the least.
 
Author L. Rea said:
Interesting side note: AI compounds normally cause some negative alteration in lipid profiles (cholesterol). Ultra HOT improves them...and no this is not a drug or sales claim. Just interesting. (Geez, now I need to post a link or something to prove this)
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A link please?? Just kidding, I trust your word. I'm on day 9 of my Ergomax LMG cycle, and I was trying to make up my mind between Rebount XT and Ultra H.O.T., but you've done it for me. Not to hijack the thread, but I was considering either staying on the Ergo for 8 weeks, or doing a pct of 2-4 weeks and then another 4 week Ergomax cycle. Which would you recommend?
 
Lifted, coming off means a time for natural endogenous production to fall back into place. HRT does not have to be 24/7 and many HRT Docs recommend cycling so as to not become primary Hypogonadal rather than seconadary.

The UH is supposed to take the place of Nolva, Clomid, etc. for PCT.
 
What the difference between primary hypogonadal and secondary? I didn't get much info from my doc, he just said take this, lol.
 
Mr. V said:
Lifted, coming off means a time for natural endogenous production to fall back into place. HRT does not have to be 24/7 and many HRT Docs recommend cycling so as to not become primary Hypogonadal rather than seconadary.

The UH is supposed to take the place of Nolva, Clomid, etc. for PCT.
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Really? I've never heard of that before... I would think that all coming off would do was make you crash bigtime since you have low T levels to begin with.

Yeah, I must've missed the ultra hot part...read it too fast. Good luck w/ the PCT. :cool:
 
Mr. V said:
Lifted, coming off means a time for natural endogenous production to fall back into place. HRT does not have to be 24/7 and many HRT Docs recommend cycling so as to not become primary Hypogonadal rather than seconadary.

The UH is supposed to take the place of Nolva, Clomid, etc. for PCT.
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Can you post any links or quote any prominent HRT doctors on this? Its something I have never seen anywhere in my research. I have been on HRT for some time. The dosages you had in your "HRT" are pretty high from what I understand of most as well.
 
jcam222 said:
Can you post any links or quote any prominent HRT doctors on this? Its something I have never seen anywhere in my research. I have been on HRT for some time. The dosages you had in your "HRT" are pretty high from what I understand of most as well.
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Author L. Rea recommends a "break" period to allow a period where levels can fall low enough for your own endocrine system to be stimulated into producing T. I think he alludes to permanent dormancy of "the boys" as not being an ideal situation.

Is he correct? I don't know as there are others that feel quite the opposite.

I believe another Dr. Cass Terry of Nexos Pharacueticals.

I have questioned some of the online HRT clinics like "Custom HRT", and "ReNew Man" and they recommend same.

The only one that I know of that does not recommend a break is Dr. John Crisler, aka SWALE. He does recommend HGC administration twice per week while on T, however Author L. Rea alludes to the fact that this may cause desensitization of the Leydig cells.

There are many varing opinions.
 
bow said:
Nope not going to ask for a link, but I am going to ask you to speculate;) Why would Ultra Hot improve lipid profiles when it has been shown that Rebound XT (which uses ATD as its only active AI) supresses lipid profiles? Could it be the inclusion of 3-OHAT or something else?

Thanks,
bow
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Bow:

Hw are you lad?

Ultra HOT has an analog of ATD that allows better localized AI activity more specific to the brain area and the hypothalamus/pituitary. As such the effects are far less systemic and therefore have less negative effects upon the lips profiles. When we first tested the various analogs, the 17-OH analog did the second best job in this regard, one more alteration and it worked exceptionally well for PCT or simply as a means of stimulation for natural test into the 1200 plus range (We have several in the 1800 range as well, but the average is closer to 1200-1400 after 4 weeks and remains there for a few months...which is pushing it time wise in my opinion). ATD, in my opinion, interacts in too many peripheral areas and decreases its over all value. But this I will not say is conclusive.

The 3-OHAT analog we used is a good "mop" for circulatory aromatase activity...though I feel we can do better if I/we can get more time in the lab after we finish the Elephant Max, Prostanozol and Retain projects. (I think I can, I think I can...). Additionally we noted some favorable effects from the mushroom extracts in regard to cholesterol I feel are due to the lipid binding effect of some of the present phytocompounds.

We are getting closer to being able to synthesize the number 1 analog I prefer (at a very good price we can pass onto consumers) but that is sometime off still.
 
Just a note personally...

Sledge did a good job on Rebound XT and has something to be proud of there. I understand he is also working onanupdated product as well.
 
Author to achieve the 1200 results or so for average one should take how many pills and how many bottles? Also is it ok for it to be stacked with lets say an SD/max lmg cycle?



Author L. Rea said:
Bow:

Hw are you lad?

Ultra HOT has an analog of ATD that allows better localized AI activity more specific to the brain area and the hypothalamus/pituitary. As such the effects are far less systemic and therefore have less negative effects upon the lips profiles. When we first tested the various analogs, the 17-OH analog did the second best job in this regard, one more alteration and it worked exceptionally well for PCT or simply as a means of stimulation for natural test into the 1200 plus range (We have several in the 1800 range as well, but the average is closer to 1200-1400 after 4 weeks and remains there for a few months...which is pushing it time wise in my opinion). ATD, in my opinion, interacts in too many peripheral areas and decreases its over all value. But this I will not say is conclusive.

The 3-OHAT analog we used is a good "mop" for circulatory aromatase activity...though I feel we can do better if I/we can get more time in the lab after we finish the Elephant Max, Prostanozol and Retain projects. (I think I can, I think I can...). Additionally we noted some favorable effects from the mushroom extracts in regard to cholesterol I feel are due to the lipid binding effect of some of the present phytocompounds.

We are getting closer to being able to synthesize the number 1 analog I prefer (at a very good price we can pass onto consumers) but that is sometime off still.
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Changing said:
Author to achieve the 1200 results or so for average one should take how many pills and how many bottles? Also is it ok for it to be stacked with lets say an SD/max lmg cycle?
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I suggest you begin in the last 1-2 weeks of your protocol. Few really need more than 4 caps while on protocol, and 3when off. Assuming you protocol lasted 4-6 weeks you will likely realize the 1200 area after 4 weeks. If you have been off for a month or more it usually hit the 1200 after 2 weeks.
 
Author L. Rea said:
I suggest you begin in the last 1-2 weeks of your protocol. Few really need more than 4 caps while on protocol, and 3when off. Assuming you protocol lasted 4-6 weeks you will likely realize the 1200 area after 4 weeks. If you have been off for a month or more it usually hit the 1200 after 2 weeks.
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Sorry unrelated, but thought you might read Author.
Is the product "Dominator" with 10mg Pherobolix same as Ergomax LMG?

Thanks.
 
LCSULLA said:
Where did you here this?
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Heard about a product sold in South America called this.. containing Pherobolix Complex and L-Norvaline
Raven? AUthor?
Or is this bunk?
 
How long should you take UH post cycle? Do you need to taper down from 3 caps? It sounds like you should start at 2 weeks prior to ending a 4 weeks cycle and then continue for another 2 weeks during PCT. Is this correct?
 
Actually my friend you would be incorrect, but I do understand where the misconception comes in. We licensed one of the patented 2-enes (there are several under the trademark Pherobolix) to a different manufacturer, but it is certainly NOT the same thing as ErgoMax. Good sex drive but very little if any of the muscle related effects.





LegalMuscle said:
If you liked Ergomax you will be very happy with Dominator.
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We have lab test results for 2 subjects posted up at

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This is before and after results of 6 weeks use at 3 tabs a day.
 
How much off time is recommended once finishing a 8 week cycle before starting a new cycle?

Ghost, you better tell test subject #2 that it appears they are insulin resistant/diabetic with a glucose level of 107, that is if they do not relize this already.
 
theghost said:
We have lab test results for 2 subjects posted up at

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and
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This is before and after results of 6 weeks use at 3 tabs a day.
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Where is the rest of the bloodwork for the younger subject?
 
Mr. V said:
How much off time is recommended once finishing a 8 week cycle before starting a new cycle?

Ghost, you better tell test subject #2 that it appears they are insulin resistant/diabetic with a glucose level of 107, that is if they do not relize this already.
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Lads:

These test results are from patients at an HRT clinic. My intent was to test the product on a few that are not performance addicts like the rest of us as we tend to respond better simply due to better general health. So no, diabetics were not excluded. I even asked for those who responded poorly to HCG.

As to blood work, we offered what the clinic gave. Geez!

Ya gotta test the limits to know the value of a compound!
 
lifted said:
Really? I've never heard of that before... I would think that all coming off would do was make you crash bigtime since you have low T levels to begin with.

Yeah, I must've missed the ultra hot part...read it too fast. Good luck w/ the PCT. :cool:
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That would depend upon length of TRT protocol, estrogen control and condition of the patients HPTA. As a rule the intent of HRT is to provide a reasonable plasma level of testosterone while monitoring binding proteins and attempting to allow for an ebb and flow for the HPTA. "Reasonable" is a large point of discussion of course.

Consider that with good control or HPTA negative feed back loops that there is some natural testosterone added to the administered dosage for the first 10-16 days of a protocol. With this comes a better natural profile of other androgens such as DHEA, androstenedione, androstenediol and all of the various synergistic natural metabolites. In short this is simply healthier as a whole as it also extends the period that the hypothalamus produces GnRH, the pituitaty secretes gonadotropins and the testes get both FSH and LH. Wen HCG is use twice weekly it by-passes the hypothalamus and pituitary thus allowing atrophy of the glands and a harder time "kick starting" the whole HPTA later.

However if items like Ultra HOT and short periods of HCG are employed for brief "off periods", then the HPTA helps maintain higher androgen levels while allowing for a healthier synergy...even though the natural testostrone level is lower. Make sense?
 
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Yeah, I understand what you mean now. :D

The tests shown look good to go. I would've liked to seen the after results for the cortisol levels though. :)
 
Anyone else notice that both subjects should run out and donate a pint of blood? Also, it would have been nice to have results for FSH and LH.
 
size said:
Actually, I believe there is some research that indicates that ATD is not a negative impact on blood lipids b/c it is a steroidal aromatase inhibitor. interesting to say the least.
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Take it for what it's worth, but I always used to use 6-oxo (Oral AI - for those who don't know). My Bloodwork always came back fine after 4 to 6 weeks after the cycle.
 
ALRI - your product looks very promising. It will serve as an anti-depressant for me during the off-cycle phase :)
 
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