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Upcoming Cycle Idea Helladrol With Prohormone Base

Aznmonk

Aznmonk

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i have ran hella before but was thinking of stacking with 4-AD

Cycle Would be something like

Helladrol 75/75/75/100/100/100
4-AD 400mg/400mg/400mg/400mg/400mg/400mg/
AI Cycle Support
Formula-X
Creatine
Taurine


With PCT looking like

Clomid 50/50/25/25
Endosurge
Erase Pro

Diet will be following a recomp lean gains. On training days will be 3700-4000 calories high protein and carbs low to medium fat


Training will be high intensity and high volume, once in morning and once in evening. running, crossfit, and weightlifting

Any advice or suggestions?
 
Clomid would be best at 100 for the first week or 4 days at least. Other than that it looks good, Hella and 4-AD as your test base...just Drop the Formula-X on cycle...it won't do yah anything at all :/ DAA is for PCT bro.

I would say your PCT would be best:
Clomid:
100/50/25/25
Endosurge:
As Per label
Erase:
0/0/3/3/2/1
Formula X:
1/1/1/1/1/1 (1 serving of Formula-X = 3g DAA)
 
Celorza said:
Clomid would be best at 100 for the first week or 4 days at least. Other than that it looks good, Hella and 4-AD as your test base...just Drop the Formula-X on cycle...it won't do yah anything at all :/ DAA is for PCT bro.

I would say your PCT would be best:
Clomid:
100/50/25/25
Endosurge:
As Per label
Erase:
0/0/3/3/2/1
Formula X:
1/1/1/1/1/1 (1 serving of Formula-X = 3g DAA)
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Is this how you ran your cycle?
 
Aznmonk said:
i was thinking the DAA would be good to maintain test , and the BCAAS would be good post work out?
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BCAAs are fine pre or post workout, depending on their Leucine level. DAA will have no effects on cycle whatsoever, but on PCT it will have the role of test booster (to get test back up from suppression-which WILL happen at 100mg of Hella) and it will help bring LH back too...
 
sidoious said:
Is this how you ran your cycle?
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haha... :lol:

What a joke.

Classic, reps.
 
I would not think you need to go crazy on the clomid for that cycle...I bet 25mg would suffice...maybe start with 50mg then go 25mg the rest of the way (similar to what you posted), esp with the erase pro in there...to be honest? I might even try using just the erase pro and DAA/other test booster for like 6-8 weeks, just to avoid the clomid :D I'll be trying that method out next PCT.....some of these PH cycles probably don't necessitate clomid or tamoxifen....
 
WARBIRDWS6 said:
I would not think you need to go crazy on the clomid for that cycle...I bet 25mg would suffice...maybe start with 50mg then go 25mg the rest of the way (similar to what you posted), esp with the erase pro in there...to be honest? I might even try using just the erase pro and DAA/other test booster for like 6-8 weeks, just to avoid the clomid :D I'll be trying that method out next PCT.....some of these PH cycles probably don't necessitate clomid or tamoxifen....
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^^Subbed for ****ed up hypothalamic pituitary testicular axis after pct!!!! Haha
 
Lacrossedude6 said:
^^Subbed for ****ed up hypothalamic pituitary testicular axis after pct!!!! Haha
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well Erase Pro is supposed to have qualities similar to SERMS....plus its an AI, and test boosters like DAA/NMDA are super effective....hey, you guys can feel free to take that nasty ass clomid for these pansy PH cycles all day....I'll try out the alternatives ;)....
 
WARBIRDWS6 said:
well Erase Pro is supposed to have qualities similar to SERMS....plus its an AI, and test boosters like DAA/NMDA are super effective....hey, you guys can feel free to take that nasty ass clomid for these pansy PH cycles all day....I'll try out the alternatives ;)....
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Good post I'm gonna use helladrol with pct containing intimidate and erase pro
 
Gym4Life said:
Good post I'm gonna use helladrol with pct containing intimidate and erase pro
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The only thing like a SERM is a SERM...nothing else, they are Selective Estrogen Receptor Modulators...not Inhibitors of the aromatize enzime...While it has been proven by blood tests that some of the OTC options for PCT have been effective for some people, it is NOT the case for all. Remember it is a gamble anyway, and even with the best PCT something can go wrong...Rather play it on the safe side, anyway like I said it IS a gamble and it could go wrong either way.
 
Gym4Life said:
Good post I'm gonna use helladrol with pct containing intimidate and erase pro
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hell, the AS products by PP call for their TRS PCT package....which doesn't even have a SERM or quasi-SERM included. Probably the same rules apply for the DHT type stuff. Some of the slightly more suppressive PH? (such as Hdrol for example), I think you can get away with Erase pro + the kitchen sink of natty stuff for test/cort/estrogen...hardcore PH/DS? like maybe Epi or tren like stuff? OK maybe a lower dose course of clomid, 50/25/25/25 plus the natty stuff. cycles that include true AAS? full dose clomid 100/50/50/50. this is the exact protocol I follow myself.
 
RH2012 said:
yeah, thats not what i was talking about. i was talking about 4 androstene 3,17-ol. its banned now. the ams stuff is 4-dhea. never tried it. the original was a 1 step conversion to testosterone. the 4dhea will require 2 enzymatic conversions to testosterone.
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I was just about to say, I used the 1AD/4AD back in the day....didn't see it around anymore and thought it was banned :D
 
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