upcoming cutting cycle

wookie429

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first, i must say ive been a longtime lurker but never really post.
any help i can get here will be greatly appreciated. the main thing i will need suggestions/advice on is diet, but any advice on workouts or supps is more than welcome.

i will be starting a cutting cylce in a week. i have decided to run 1-test (400mg transdermal daily) with MOHN (probably 32 to 40 mg daily). i will be running this for 6 weeks.

i will use e/c for the first and last two weeks, and use either T3 or Clen the 2 middle weeks.

throughout i will use sesathin 3 times per day.

i will be doing the following workout:
Mon- back/traps/forearms(grip)
Tues- chest/shoulders
Thurs- quads/hams/calves
Fri-bis/tris

i will also do an hour of low intenstiy cardio on sunday and wednesday.

my current stats are 5'9", 210lbs, with an estimated (my calipers arent too good) 17% bodyfat. the hard part is determining my phenotype. i can gain weight easily but only in a high caloric surplus with fat gain. when i cut, i lose weight easily but a decent amount is muscle. to further worsen things, i do not respond well to anything. with nearly every product i have used i have seen no results (creatine, cee, aakg/NO products, etc.) to some small results with ph's.


ive already calculated my maintenance cals to be 3600.
what does everyone think would be more effective-
1. about 3200 cals on lifting days, and about 3000 on the others. ill use a near a 40/40/20 split.
or
2.keeping carbs low throughout and only having carbs during workout and maybe one refeed meal per week.
3.or keeping carbs super low to none for a few days to deplete glyogen/burn fat, then have a decent refeed.

so, does anyone have any suggestions, comments, or advice on this cycle? any input is definitely welcome as i am far from the best at cutting. thanks.

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I would go with option1. Possibly reducing cals by another 1 or 2 hundred. Try to consume about half your daily carb intake pre and post WO. This will help keep muscle loss to a minimum.Also try to increase cardio to at least 4 days/wk.

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do you really think i need the cardio everyday? i mean if thats what it takes ill definitely do it.

the only thing i worry about is going overboard and losing too much muscle.

whats good to prevent muscle breakdown during cardio? my plan was to eat a piece of fruit before (i.e. an apple) and then drink 30g of bcaa during.
 
I think the 1-test is going to put you to sleep. I would consider throwing in some 4ad if you have it. In the cycle in my sig I ran 300mg 4ad and that took care of almost all the 1-test sides, also at that dose I noticed no bloat.

As far as diet I would also go with what Lean One suggested, ~3000 cals 40/40/20. With the 1-test I doubt you will have to worry about loosing too much muscle, I was able to gain on 75mcg of T3 with it.

I would also hit the cardio as often as I could, none on leg days though. I have just finished up week 2 of PCT and have been doing 30mins-1hr of low intensity cardio a day, so far I am down just over 1lb (of which I believe is fat).
 
wookie429 said:
do you really think i need the cardio everyday? i mean if thats what it takes ill definitely do it.

the only thing i worry about is going overboard and losing too much muscle.

whats good to prevent muscle breakdown during cardio? my plan was to eat a piece of fruit before (i.e. an apple) and then drink 30g of bcaa during.
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Yes. If you can it will only help you shed fat faster.As long as it's low intensity (60 to 65 %) you won't lose muscle. And for gods' sake don't eat any carbs right before cardio. The insulin release will inhibit lipolisis.
 
i was considering something similar. i was thinking maybe 400mg 1 test and 300mg 4AD. the addition of 4AD will probably be necessary if im going to be doing that much cardio as 1test does make me a little lethargic.

R6speed- while using T3, did you notice increased lethargy?

lean one- ok, no carbs before cardio. should i try and make the meal prior to cardio carbless??? what about after??? (see, i told you i suck at cutting )

thanks for the help guys.
 
wookie429 said:
lean one- ok, no carbs before cardio. should i try and make the meal prior to cardio carbless??? what about after??? (see, i told you i suck at cutting )
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What I try to do is a low GI meal with about 30grams of carbs. You want to include some carbs because They supply the nesesary substrates used in the krebs cycle to burn fat. I usually try to plan my cardio so it's just prior to the next meal.However, you'll be fine if you eat 1 or 2 hrs before as long as it's low GI. Cardio increases insulin sensitivity the same way strength training does so it is just as important to eat within 1 hr of cardio so you can take advantage of the nutrient partitioning effects.
 
i see. thanks for the info. like i said, im not the best cutter, and am trying to put together a thorough cycle to really lean out.

right now im going to keep the 4 days of lifting per week, and do an hour of cardio 5 times per week.

i will consume ~2900 cals on non lifting days and ~3100 on lifting days. all carbs will be low gi, except some dextrose during lifting.
i will concume half of my carbs pre/during/post w/o.
i have a question as to the timing of the other carbs though. should they be spread throughout the other meals or (my choice) just have carbs at like 2 other meals (the meals closest to the workout) to get my daily total???

i will aslo be supplementing with some GXR. i was planning on having 1 pre w/o and 1 post w/o. should i utilize this at any other times or just use it around workouts?
i read about using it before bed to lower/stabilize any blood sugar to burn more fat. is this a sound idea? as long as im rambling on, any opinions on preworkout meal...i was thinking 30g whey and 40-50g of low gi carbs.
 
wookie429 said:
i have a question as to the timing of the other carbs though. should they be spread throughout the other meals or (my choice) just have carbs at like 2 other meals (the meals closest to the workout) to get my daily total???
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You could spread them throughout the other meals, possible leaving them out completely the last meal before bed.

Your GXR ? might be better answered in the DS section. I have no experience with it.
 
R6speed- while using T3, did you notice increased lethargy?
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No, but I was running 4ad and Mdht at the time. Also I only went to 75mcg. The only thing I noticed was increased body temp.
 
yeah, i was also planning on keeping the T3 low. i will run it with clen for 2 weeks in the middle of the cycle.
 
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