Ultra Concentrated Mass Drops™ by AMS

flightposite said:
That would be awesome. I've thought about doing this myself. I do have one bottle I wonder if that would be enough for a short topical cycle.
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Absorption transdermally is above 30% with a good carrier, orally it is best at 5%, you will have plenty and it will be a strong transdermal at that. Get you a carrier and mix it up.
 
FL3X MAGNUM said:
How much you gain?
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it fluctuates, right between 5 and 10 pounds, eating alot too, i started with 2 weeks of 1andro and 4ad, then started mass drops the 3rd wk, got another bottle of 4ad so i can finish out with the drops and 4ad, think the ****in 4ad makes me dizzy so i mite stop that and just finish out drops....
 
oufinny said:
Absorption transdermally is above 30% with a good carrier, orally it is best at 5%, you will have plenty and it will be a strong transdermal at that. Get you a carrier and mix it up.
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Sounds good. Thanks oufinny. I'll keep you posted when I run it. Probably just get a primordial carrier.
 
Freepress said:
Primordial Performance sells OHV topical carrier.
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Thanks freepress. I posted before I saw your reply. But I think that is what I will do. convert my ams decavol to a transdermal and maybe run it with some ams 4ad tabs.
 
It is my personal opinion, based on sound research of course, that a transdermal 19norDHEA cycle would be killer. Having personally taken Primordial's 1-T topical product, I and many others found it to be far superior to any of the oral 1-androsterone/5-DHEA supplements out there.

Not only was the conversion essentially guaranteed because of the androgenic skin enzymes present on the body's upper trunk, but the consistent delivery from the topical carrier kept your levels steady. I picked up eight solid pounds off a six-week cycle, kept it all, and had a raging libido and felt great the entire cycle. The 5-DHEA and pregenelone combo via transdermal carrier was the ticket to balancing out the effects of the compound and mitigating the 1-Andro's lethargy.

Any oral 1-Andro supplements I've tried have given me terrible lethargy and left my sex drive completely bottomed out. I had some success at offsetting those effects by stacking other compounds, but never have I found another cycle that felt as good as the transdermal 1-T.

I would strongly suggest you hunt down some AMS 1-Alpha to stack your topical DecaVol with. The enhanced absorption and consistent delivery of the topical is going to kick, I have a feeling. You will need the DHT to keep lead in the pencil, so to speak.

Keep me posted on your transdermal DecaVol cycle. I will be watching enthusiastically.
 
There is actually no guaranteed perfect conversion just because you rub it on the skin. Sulfotransferase enzymes are abundant on the skin as well. Which conjugate your ph and essentially render part of it useless.
 
Hence the reason I used the term "essentially." There is no perfect scenario. But it's safe to say you stand a much greater chance of conversion through topical administration of these hormones.

But the success rate of transdermal non-methylated hormones doing what they're intended to do, it would appear from the years of anecdotal evidence I've read through logs, is much greater than when DHEA metabolites are administered topically.

I hate to keep bringing up Primordial, but since they were the key player in the topical prohormone game for so long and established a foothold there that they senselessly abandoned, they provide for good fodder. Their oral prohormone formulas identical to their topicals paled in comparison. There are hundreds of accounts on the web via logs that demonstrate great disappointment when users who had previously tried their topicals went to their "Liqui-Vade" formulas.

I am one of those.

Transdermal delivery is just plain damned efficient and consistent. It's more difficult to maintain that level of consistency in results when you are administering non-methylated DHEA metabolites through oral delivery. Their company's new concept of 24-hour softgels appears to be delivering results, but still rather inconsistently.

The pharmeceutical companies tried this with Andriol, the prescription testosterone softgel. And getting stable and consistent results out of it has been difficult.

But back to my original point, I would feel confident in asserting that a topical 19nor would make for a good ride.
 
I don't disagree with most anything you have said. I believe pp is bringing back some topicals btw. Also the AMS product is not exactly an oral product. It is designed to melt under the tongue for a reason. I know you were not referring to that but I wanted to clarify for others reading.
 
Royd The Noyd said:
I don't disagree with most anything you have said. I believe pp is bringing back some topicals btw. Also the AMS product is not exactly an oral product. It is designed to melt under the tongue for a reason. I know you were not referring to that but I wanted to clarify for others reading.
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Absolutely. Sublingual absorption is a totally different animal than oral administration.

I used your first generation of RD tabs and had a nice run. My only complaint was that I thought they took a little longer than I desired to dissolve. I was expecting effervesence. I'm glad to hear that you have tackled that beast with the new RDe delivery system.

My next PH run, I am 99 percent certain, will include AMS products.

As for PP's plans, I knew Eric brought back topical Dermacrine as a limited release to one retailer after a huge outcry. It was a welcomed return. I picked some up and ran it with some Epi. Great stuff. But doing away with topical 1-T was a travesty, IMHO.

The killed their flagship supplements in favor of a big, expensive experiment that is not consistently meeting expectations. The AndroSeries is cool in theory, but it's extremely pricey and a big gamble to make.

Sorry to be long winded and perhaps off topic, but it's always been a pet peeve of mine.
 
Freepress said:
Absolutely. Sublingual absorption is a totally different animal than oral administration.

I used your first generation of RD tabs and had a nice run. My only complaint was that I thought they took a little longer than I desired to dissolve. I was expecting effervesence. I'm glad to hear that you have tackled that beast with the new RDe delivery system.

My next PH run, I am 99 percent certain, will include AMS products.

As for PP's plans, I knew Eric brought back topical Dermacrine as a limited release to one retailer after a huge outcry. It was a welcomed return. I picked some up and ran it with some Epi. Great stuff. But doing away with topical 1-T was a travesty, IMHO.

The killed their flagship supplements in favor of a big, expensive experiment that is not consistently meeting expectations. The AndroSeries is cool in theory, but it's extremely pricey and a big gamble to make.

Sorry to be long winded and perhaps off topic, but it's always been a pet peeve of mine.
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We love customer feedback, good and bad.. how else can a company give its consumers what they want without HEARING what they want..
 
Freepress said:
Absolutely. Sublingual absorption is a totally different animal than oral administration.

I used your first generation of RD tabs and had a nice run. My only complaint was that I thought they took a little longer than I desired to dissolve. I was expecting effervesence. I'm glad to hear that you have tackled that beast with the new RDe delivery system.

My next PH run, I am 99 percent certain, will include AMS products.

As for PP's plans, I knew Eric brought back topical Dermacrine as a limited release to one retailer after a huge outcry. It was a welcomed return. I picked some up and ran it with some Epi. Great stuff. But doing away with topical 1-T was a travesty, IMHO.

The killed their flagship supplements in favor of a big, expensive experiment that is not consistently meeting expectations. The AndroSeries is cool in theory, but it's extremely pricey and a big gamble to make.

Sorry to be long winded and perhaps off topic, but it's always been a pet peeve of mine.
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hey freepress, how was the epi/derm stack for ya?? have my epi now and was gona throw in some derm for a cycle before summer
 
I absolutely loved it. Epi and topical Dermacrine is a match made in heaven, and it makes for an inexpensive cycle.

I started the Epi after a week of already being on the Dermacrine. Topicals take time to deliver, and the ultimate goal was to use the 5-DHEA and pregenelone to mitigate any lethargy that may have arisen as a result of the Epi.

I felt like a million bucks. As a matter of fact, it was almost euphoric. My sex drive was crazy - off the charts. I don't even recall being that horny as a teen-ager. My wife could not keep up with me during that six-week journey.

Dermacrine is an excellent test base for a dry compound like Epi. I recommended it to others and they experienced similar effects.

I realize this is an AMS thread, and I apologize for hijacking it, but you asked.
 
Freepress said:
I absolutely loved it. Epi and topical Dermacrine is a match made in heaven, and it makes for an inexpensive cycle.

I started the Epi after a week of already being on the Dermacrine. Topicals take time to deliver, and the ultimate goal was to use the 5-DHEA and pregenelone to mitigate any lethargy that may have arisen as a result of the Epi.

I felt like a million bucks. As a matter of fact, it was almost euphoric. My sex drive was crazy - off the charts. I don't even recall being that horny as a teen-ager. My wife could not keep up with me during that six-week journey.

Dermacrine is an excellent test base for a dry compound like Epi. I recommended it to others and they experienced similar effects.

I realize this is an AMS thread, and I apologize for hijacking it, but you asked.
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SOB....how dare you :) Its ok bro..i will save you from swimmin with da fish FURRGETBOIT
 
wOw, These drops taste pretty bad, like just about every other sup. in the world but dang are they easy and fast!! Great product
 
semper_fi said:
wOw, These drops taste pretty bad, like just about every other sup. in the world but dang are they easy and fast!! Great product
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Well granted its a PH's product..hold it for longer if you can bro.. and yes very easy to use.. remember, if your taking a product based on flavor or taste, your taking it for the wrong reason.. Reap the benefits after...look at my elder ass, i put on great mass lean gains from AMS line
 
TheBGRigatoni said:
Well granted its a PH's product..hold it for longer if you can bro.. and yes very easy to use.. remember, if your taking a product based on flavor or taste, your taking it for the wrong reason.. Reap the benefits after...look at my elder ass, i put on great mass lean gains from AMS line
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i try to hold it for atleast 2 min. It doesnt taste bad until swallowed but agreed tatse should have no input on sup choice.
Just started a log using the mass drops with the rde, mainly for the convience of the drops while doing my morning rush out the door..
 
semper_fi said:
i try to hold it for atleast 2 min. It doesnt taste bad until swallowed but agreed tatse should have no input on sup choice.
Just started a log using the mass drops with the rde, mainly for the convience of the drops while doing my morning rush out the door..
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there u go..syringe it..slam it..and go :)
 
I've never been one that expects anabolics to taste good. If they do, that's wonderful. But if I want to look more manly, I expect that the compound I use to get there might taste more manly.

I thought the original RD tabs were quite palatable, though. The 1-andro and 4ad tabs tasted like an Andes mint or something like it. It was a lot better than anything Primordial ever made that was an oral.
 
Since AMS obviously already purchases the raw DHEA metabolites, they should consider doing some market research with topicals. Primordial leased the rights to Dermacrine out to BPS and no one to this point has any plans to re-release something stronger.

Do a limited run of a 1- and 4-DHEA and pregenelone topical, get some beta testers lined up and see how people like it. Do a standalone topical DecaVol too, for that matter.

PP had great success with their topical line and right now there isn't anything else out there worth noting besides Trenazone and Dermacrine. Derma is great, but it's much better as a stacker than a standalone anabolic.

Just a suggestion.
 
Freepress said:
Since AMS obviously already purchases the raw DHEA metabolites, they should consider doing some market research with topicals. Primordial leased the rights to Dermacrine out to BPS and no one to this point has any plans to re-release something stronger.

Do a limited run of a 1- and 4-DHEA and pregenelone topical, get some beta testers lined up and see how people like it. Do a standalone topical DecaVol too, for that matter.

PP had great success with their topical line and right now there isn't anything else out there worth noting besides Trenazone and Dermacrine. Derma is great, but it's much better as a stacker than a standalone anabolic.

Just a suggestion.
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Good suggestion. I had amazing results with 1-T. One of my all time favorites to be honest.
 
schroedes said:
lol, hey BG still on my AMs cycle bro, mass drops, 1-andro and 4-ad, feel ****ing great.
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Nice u animal
 
I just recieved my first bottle of Mass Drops, there's white particles in it that collect at the bottom of the bottle. Is that normal? I tried shaking the bottle to help dissolve them and they just float for a sec and fall back.

Will this effect the dosage, negatively?
 
garz said:
I just recieved my first bottle of Mass Drops, there's white particles in it that collect at the bottom of the bottle. Is that normal? I tried shaking the bottle to help dissolve them and they just float for a sec and fall back.

Will this effect the dosage, negatively?
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It's fine
 
garz said:
I just recieved my first bottle of Mass Drops, there's white particles in it that collect at the bottom of the bottle. Is that normal? I tried shaking the bottle to help dissolve them and they just float for a sec and fall back.

Will this effect the dosage, negatively?
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So how did your cycle go ?
 
The cycle was a success. I don't really know if adding the Mass Drops in weeks 4-8 increased my overall strength/mass gain. It could have, but I didn't really feel any difference. I was able to go up from 165lbs to 178lbs during the cycle. After PCT, I leveled out at 174. Overall, I find it to be a successful first run. I took a week off after my month of PCT and came back stronger than ever. For my next cycle though, I'm going to look into something a bit stronger and a bit more economical...
 
I actually have about 2/3 of a bottle, so I'm just going 3ml a day instead of the recommended 2 with my pmag cycle, hoping for a little extra strength and mass, did get some shedding though last time i ran the drops, they should definitely lower the price as well..
 
i just recieved 2 bottles of ams mass drops. both bottles seem to have crashed, one more so than another.

has anyone else experienced this?
 
jbryand101b said:
i just recieved 2 bottles of ams mass drops. both bottles seem to have crashed, one more so than another.

has anyone else experienced this?
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Can u be more clear on that. Or explain what crash is
 
crash is when a compound thats been disolved into a liquid solution uh, undisolves and the compound can be seen floating around in the liquid.

example: Trenbolone Enanthate can crash at 2%BA 20%BB. (Grapeseed oil, 250mg/cc) Highly complex crystal structures are observed

things that causes it to crash is low temperatures, too much hormone in the solution, or not enough or the wrong solvents............. or the possibility it is the wrong stuff (hormone or ester).

one bottle, is okay, I can probably get it to re-disolve into the solution with hot water.

the other one has big crystals.

I took my first dose anyways, liquid was clear like water. not like when I used 4ad utt ot dienedron utt.

maybe a different solution was used for the mass drops?
 
on another not, running it with alpha bulk. that stuff is great. :thumbsup:

review will be on here, but it'll more so be over on lb forum.
 
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