UFC vs Pride

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I was bored a couple weeks ago and noticed a Pride replay on PPV so I ordered it. Wow there are some tough dudes in that series. There was one guy that was just non-stop submissions, one after the other, but the wrestler he was fighting was so flexible he would weasel out of them. Then there was this big Bob Sapp fucker, like 6'6" 375lbs, all muscle. He looked like a cartoon character he was so built. And there was this other big 6'10 black dude that looked impressive. I forget the lighter weight fighters but all of them looked pretty skilled.

A couple things they did which I never have seen in the UFC is knees to the head, and also what I would call a "face stomp" where a guy standing would stomp a dudes face like you would crush an alluminum can.

Anyhow good series, comparible quality of fights to UFC, way better than that King of the Cage series.
 
I'm not sure what event you watched, but Pride is way better then the UFC. Better fighters, better production, better commentators(bas), pretty much better everything. UFC does probably have better match-ups, but that can be easy to do with a lower caliber of fighters. The heavyweight division is what really sets them apart. Pride has 5-10 great heavies, UFC has 1. Can't wait for NYE!
 
I like pride a little better, because there's better international competition. In the UFC it's mainly North American fighters, and I like seeing fighters from all over the world. I enjoy the ufc of course too though. I agree that Pride has much better heavyweights, and now that Pride is offering Arlovski some big $$$, the ufc might lose their best heavy. This would be great though, because i'm dieing to see Fedor vs. Arlovski.
 
Yeah Beelze, that rumor has been going on for quite some time. They almost got into it at a K-1 event about 2 years ago. They'll never fight, but if they did I'd predict a brutal knockout by Tyson.
 
Beelzebub said:
heard that mike tyson and bob sapp were going to go at it.
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They were supposed to fight in Japan, but Japan wouldn't let Mike in because of his rape conviction. Then I never heard anything else about it.

Overall Pride has better fighters than the UFC.
 
Sir Foxx said:
Bruce Lee would kick all of their asses:D

Except for the fact he's dead:(
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I'm gonna pray that you're kidding. The scary thing is some people actually believe that. These same people also believe that Cris Angel 'MINDFREEK' is actually levetating people.
 
I've got to say that Pride has a way higher caliber of fighter than UFC. I love watching both, but have to say I'm much more impressed with Pride.

Put Cro-Cop or Fedor in the ring with any UFC fighter and you'll have a blood bath...

Lidell is one of the better fighters in UFC and when he tried to fight in Pride he lost to a mid-level fighter...granted this was a few years ago and lidell has gotten better, but I still think it says alot for Pride.
 
The UFC has done an awesome job at promoting itself over the past couple of years or so though. Eventually, I can see the UFC bringing in better fighters than those seen in Pride over the next few years.
 
Rampage is more than a mid level/tier fighter. Many things set Pride apart from UFC and in most people's opinions make it better. For me the crowd makes the biggest difference. The Japanese respect fighters and they rarely boo whereas in the UFc they boo almost anytime it goes to the ground. They also show a distaste for foreign fighters as well.

UFC might be gaining prominence in the US but worldwide I don't think it can compete. It lacks the international roster of fighters and they pay their fighters ****. I think the total payroll for UFC was around $300k. Pride pays that to their top level fighters. In fact Franklin, UFC MW champ collected $26k for his win, likely $13k to fight and $13k to win. In Pride he would likely have got $26 just to show. Given such great discrepancies in pay I don't see UFC competing with Pride in the long run.
 
ersatz said:
Rampage is more than a mid level/tier fighter. Many things set Pride apart from UFC and in most people's opinions make it better. For me the crowd makes the biggest difference. The Japanese respect fighters and they rarely boo whereas in the UFc they boo almost anytime it goes to the ground. They also show a distaste for foreign fighters as well.

UFC might be gaining prominence in the US but worldwide I don't think it can compete. It lacks the international roster of fighters and they pay their fighters ****. I think the total payroll for UFC was around $300k. Pride pays that to their top level fighters. In fact Franklin, UFC MW champ collected $26k for his win, likely $13k to fight and $13k to win. In Pride he would likely have got $26 just to show. Given such great discrepancies in pay I don't see UFC competing with Pride in the long run.
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I agree, UFC seems to be sticking to its North American fighters as Pride is more international. I've been watching/following (off and on) the UFC since the days of Gracie, Shamrock, Severn, Tank, and old school guys like that and I've seen how far it has come since then. I'm a loyal UFC fan and hope it continues to grow and maybe some day it will be able to compete with Pride internationally as well.
 
One thing I enjoy with the UFC is the use of elbows. As far as I've seen in Pride, they are not allowed.

Put any of those shows on TV and I will watch it. They both provide great fighters and put on great shows.

Watch out for Georges St. Pierre in the UFC. He's a Canadian who's doing very well in the welterweight division and hopefully will get a title shot soon against Matt Hughes.
 
16vt said:
Watch out for Georges St. Pierre in the UFC. He's a Canadian who's doing very well in the welterweight division and hopefully will get a title shot soon against Matt Hughes.
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You missed it man, they already fought and Hughes submitted him by Arm-Bar. St. Pierre was doing really well for a while though.
 
KD1 said:
You missed it man, they already fought and Hughes submitted him by Arm-Bar. St. Pierre was doing really well for a while though.
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GSP is still doing well. His only loss was against Hughes.
 
Yes I heard about their first match. But since then I believe he has improved and may fair much better next time.
 
natedogg said:
GSP is still doing well. His only loss was against Hughes.
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I meant he was doing really well in that fight with Hughes. He seemed to be getting the better of it for a while.
 
I prefer Pride rules. The no kneeing/kicking on someone who is down or in the 4 point position takes alot out of the sport. Fighters can just drop down to get a quick breather in UFC and wrestlers don't have to worry about getting kneed during takedowns.

natedogg said:
The UFC has done an awesome job at promoting itself over the past couple of years or so though. Eventually, I can see the UFC bringing in better fighters than those seen in Pride over the next few years.
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No, its a gross exaggeration. UFC mostly sat on its ass. Only the last couple of months with the TUF was something new.
When Zuffa took over from SEG at UFC 40, all the big names were already in place. Shamrocks, Tito, Couture, Vitor, Liddell, Arlovski, Rizzo, Ricco, Pulver, Bustamante, Lindland, BJ Penn were all pre-Zuffa fighters. All Dana did was merely keeping the engine running. Hardly any good new names were signed.

So your statement about better fighters is mostly wishful thinking. Dana has had problems with many of the big names.
 
It is wishful thinking, but I would think since they have brought the UFC to the general public now with TUF, that they would improve upon what they have already established with better fighters. I'm sure they're making much more money as a result allowing them to pay their fighters better. I would think so anyways. Regardless, I'm still entertained.
 
Money was a never a real problem for better paydays. UFC could afford to pay Tank Abbot 50-100k and Ken Shamrock over 200k for each appearance but Franklin makes 20k for his last fight and Arlovski only 30k at UFC51.

The UFC is in an odd position. Business is good from all the TUF hype but the talent and quality of the shows are bad. Only a TUF noob would think Rashad/Immes are good quality talent. 2 college athletes (one with a bum knee) with 1 year of MMA training managing to be in the finals speaks volumes about the quality of TUF (and the knowledge of new fans) in general.

I just don't see how any fan can be pleased by the mediocre to bad UFC shows for the last 5 events. when Pride and Bushido has been blowing UFC away with spectacular events.
 
Somtimes I think Dana White is just going to turn the UFC into another WWE. He sets up his top fighters to keep them on top. Lindland, probably the only fighter in the UFC to be able to challange Rich Franklin, just had his contract terminated. BJ Penn beat Matt Hughs and then had some issue with UFC and had his contract terminated and they gave the belt back to Matt Hughs.

Dana White likes the drama. That's why Shamrock and Tito are going to coach on the next TUF.
 
I don't see why UFC has to go WWE. Before TUF and even Zuffa, UFC had better talent and better fights and pretty good attendance and ppv numbers.
 
new guy chimes in

Mark Coleman said it best in an interview he gave here (Japan) about a month ago. A UFC title is the equivalent to winning a national title, where as Pride is the top international competition as far as MMA. While Pride does rely on some WWE-like antics and match-ups to appeal to the crowd here, the talent level is much higher than UFC in most cases, especially now with Pride Bushido grabbing alot of the top 83kg guys. UfC has it's fair share of tough guys, but IMO most of em would get their head ripped off and thrown into the balcony in Pride. Arlovski is good, but vs. Fedor would most likely get beat the f*ck down. Same results against Kharnitov, Noguera, etc.......Couture is good IN A CAGE; in a ring is different..........he got smoked by Enson Inoue at the 1999 Japan Vale Tudo Championships cause he had no fence to push off of. That Ground N' Pound sh*t doesn't go over well with the judges here unless you are like Fedor and are literally performing brain surgery on the other guy; Pride refs will stand it up in hopes of someone getting their life's worth of dental work taken care of with a beautiful face stomp.
 
I've just recently gotten into Pride and it is better than the UFC. I like the rules better, the crowd, and the fighters are better. It is crazy to see how much the cage makes a difference. I like the no elbows rule because when you hear UFC fighter after fighter announcing that part of his gameplan is to throw elbows in hopes of opening up a cut and getting a doctor stoppage is crap. I'm not sure, but I also think Pride judges score by who they think wins the fight, and not by tallying rounds, correct? I think that shows an awesome understanding of technical, working fighters.
 
Well i know that Pride does not test for steriods. As were UFC does. Maybe that is why Pride has more and better heavyweight fighters. Its funny how the heavyweight for UFC (slyvia) got busted for steriods. That along with the more money its going to be hard for UFC to compete especially in the heavyweight class.
 
Damn, maybe I should look into Pride a little more. I wonder if you can rent the DVD's at Blockbuster like you can with the UFC. I sure as hell am not going to pay 50 bucks to watch it on pay-per-view. Anyone know?
 
Rogue Drone said:
It's not steroids that are making the Pride Heavies better, it's the deeper Brazilian,Russian and K1 talent pool they are drawing from.

As I understand it, Pride pays much better than UFC, they attract a better class of fighter.
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Bingo. The UFC wants GnP fights, but Pride has a better apreciation of tactics (ie: positioning, subs, and etc). The UFC is alsways tring for a gimmick. The UFC seems To try and bring back guys like Shamrock and Tank. You always here White is thinking about getting guys like this in the ring.
 
BB has Pride dvds for less than $15.

Pride has clowns and showmen as well like Giant Silva. Shamrock and Tank just fought in Pride as well. Difference is that the card is so stacked with superb talent that one or 2 bums don't matter.

For most of the past year the UFC is putting alot of no-name mid level talent and crappy guys like Gannon on the cards and selling it for more money than Pride events. Funny thing is business is booming. Fucking TUF noobs think Diego/Bonner/Griffin is top talent.
 
natedogg said:
Damn, maybe I should look into Pride a little more. I wonder if you can rent the DVD's at Blockbuster like you can with the UFC. I sure as hell am not going to pay 50 bucks to watch it on pay-per-view. Anyone know?
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I have the Blockbuster online rental deal and my que list is loaded with Pride and UFC vids. It really pisses the wife off.
 
Rogue Drone said:
It's not steroids that are making the Pride Heavies better, it's the deeper Brazilian,Russian and K1 talent pool they are drawing from.

As I understand it, Pride pays much better than UFC, they attract a better class of fighter.
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You kinda miss understood me. Im not in anyway saying that steroids are making them better. Im saying its one less nag that the Pride heavies have to deal with. That along with more money at Pride. Well lets say which one are you going to fight in. Lets also not forget alot of the heavies over there used to fight in UFC
 
I read that Rogan and Wesley Snipes are set to go at each in a special event. That might be interesting.
 
Rogue Drone said:
Oh man, "Cannon" Gannon got beatdown like one of the mismatches from the early UFCs. Those early UFCs were great and terrible, those were really no holds barred bloody mismatches. Oleg Taktarov is making TV movies, wonder what Paul "Polarbear" Varlens and that 600 pound Sumo blob are doing? One a bouncer, the other dead?

Anyone know where to find a free viewing of the Gannon/Kimbo Slice video?, I could'nt find it anywhere.

Where did they find that moron commentator who works with Joe Rogan?, Joe's solid but that other guy, go away.

How about Pride's shreiking female announcer? Yow!, someone at Sherdog wrote that she sounded like a crackwhore getting ass raped with a canoe paddle, too funny.

Someone needs to punch that superior smirk off Dana White's face, hopefully Pride can take US market share and money from his pocket, probably not, the WWE crowd will make the UFC even more wrastle like.
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The Pride announcer lady is the ****. Her Nogueeeeeiiiiiira is simply amazing. You don't like goldberg? I think hes better then Mauro and probably less annoying then Rogan.
 
UFC will be a glorified circus if Snipes-Rogan takes place.

This thread should've stopped at the 2nd post. Comparison between Pride and UFC currently is meaningless and pointless. Its like comparing the Yankees vs the minor leagues.

Its laughable to ascribe steroids and former UFC fighters as the reason for Prides success. Pride has made big strides in collecting some great talent and retaining them the last few years. UFC sat on its ass, rotted and indulged in self-sabotage.
 
I can't stand Joe Rogan anymore. ever since he and that other guy ruined the Man Show. I can never forgive them.
 
Agreed that Joe is terrible in the booth. He's obnoxious and is just no damned good, but I never looked at the UFC/WWE comparison, so I guess Joe fits in that scenario.
 
You guys are pretty harsh on Rogan huh. While Bas is the man, I think that Rogan has become more bearable over the years.

You also can't beat the octagon in UFC, those ropes on the boxing ring for pride have to go. Youve got guys trying to punch through them for christ sake. Also in Pride they stop the fights too early many of the time. But I do like the head stomp in Pride.

Any of you guys see the last Pride- Bushido tournament? That was sick, their lightweight fights were amazing.

I think that Pride is stronger in the lightweight and heavyweight divisions while UFC is stronger in the welterweight division

However I really don't see anyone beating Arlovski right now, I dont care who it is from Pride. Same goes for GSP, and Gomi from Pride. I think those are the top 3 guys out there.
 
The cage favours wrestlers.
Competitors can still strike through, around, above the ropes in Pride. Since no-one wants to hurt their hands/feet accidently against the fence, the only thing left to do is clinch.
 
Quaid, you don't think anyone can beat Arlovski? I mean don't get me wrong Arlovski is the man, but who has he fought? Most of his wins are against b level fighters. I mean he beat Freeman, Vladdy, Cabbage, Sylvia, Eilers, and Buentello. Those are all b level fighters. I like him, just have'nt seen him tested yet. I think there are 3-5 guys in Pride that would handle him. Fedor, Noquiera, Kharitonov would all beat him IMO, and lil' Emelianenko, Werdum, Hunt, and a few others would give him trouble. The thing with the UFC having a better WW division is that UFC WW = 170. Pride's divisions are 160 and 183. I think the UFC WW division would do well against the Pride LW division, but not against the Pride WW division. Now Pride WW versus UFC middleweight is tough to call. I mean Franklin, Louiseou, Tanner, Prangley, Horn(I'm missing a few) all tough dudes. Then you have for Pride Hendo, Busta, maybe Kondo, Baroni, Chonan. Its tough to call I guess I'd go with UFC MW's. Although I think hendo would wreck anyone 185 and under.
 
Your right in a sense that he hasnt been truely tested by any great fighets yet. And it doesnt look like he will be tested any time soon. I mean Frank Mir testing Arlovski? Arlovski is going to destroy him. I would disagree that there are 3-5 fighters that would hangle him but it is unfortunate that we will probably never know. How exciting would Fedor vs. Arlovski be?!

And unfortunately I havent gotten the chance to see Hendo fight, but now you've got me even more eager to see him.

The only other thing I disagree with is that I personally think Baroni sucks. I mean did you see him at the last Pride? That was embarrassing, has he ever heard of a sprawl? I can't remember the Japaneese guy he fought but he was a B level fighter and he took him down with ease every time, and it was so obvious he was going for it.
 
I'd like to see another Fedor v Cro-cop fight. I was mad to see cro-cop lose and would really like to see him take Fedor, i just think he needs to work alot more on his ground game.
 
Quaid, I agree with you Baroni sucks. I don't know why I threw his name in their. It was Minowa that he could'nt stop from taking him down. That was there second fight, Baroni KO'd him in the first fight. Now that I'm on the Baroni topic, did any of you guys watch him in that toughman challenge on FX about 5 years back. Anyways he acted 10 times worse on their then he does in UFC or Pride. "I'm the fucking man, repeat 5 times", remember after he beat Menne. Hopefully Pride will get Arlovski eventually(they have been talking with him). Arlovski physically has the potential to be the best, I just dont know if he has the heart/smarts to be the best. Man if they get Arlovski in next years GP along with Fedor, Nogueira, Kharitonov, Cro, and the rest of the Pride Heavies I'm going to Japan.
 
Everyone Arlovski beat were a bunch of cans except for a quick sub of Sylvia. I've never seen him having to dig deep or escape precarious situations against elite opponents.
 
And unfortunately I havent gotten the chance to see Hendo fight, but now you've got me even more eager to see him.
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Henderson is one of my favorite fighters. He used to fight at 205, and would always fight guys 20 + and hold his own. 185 is def. his weight though.
Though he does have wild, looping punches, if he connects he usually knocks people out.
He's hurt V. Silva with one of them...
He fought well again Nog, but eventually lost to sub.
 
Wedgylx said:
I've got to say that Pride has a way higher caliber of fighter than UFC. I love watching both, but have to say I'm much more impressed with Pride.

Put Cro-Cop or Fedor in the ring with any UFC fighter and you'll have a blood bath...

Lidell is one of the better fighters in UFC and when he tried to fight in Pride he lost to a mid-level fighter...granted this was a few years ago and lidell has gotten better, but I still think it says alot for Pride.
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I know alot of you guys wont agree, but I think the UFC has by far better fighters than pride.

You said about about Liddell losing to mid level fighters, but yet vanderlie lost to Belfort in UFC and Tito beat Vanderlie, so your example isnt very accurate at all. You cant really guage it that way, I dont think.

The bottom line is, pride has way better rules, they allow kicks on the ground and the UFC takes out those things (that is a problem in the UFC)

But if you look at where most of all moves and techniques are developed, its in the UFC.

The only new recent one I have seen out of pride, is the "gator roll" or as Antonio calls it "the anaconda"

Most of the newest techniques come out of the UFC because the calibre of fighters is alot higher.

This comes with a few rules...

First pride has better rules
UFC has better technique
Pride allows super heavy weights to fight
UFC has a cage, and you cant run
Pride has a better developed heavy weight division...
UFC has way better lightweight and middle weight and welter weight division

Alot of the fighters that make up pride are fighters that couldnt stay long in the UFC, but then you have great russians like fedor and kharitonov, you have mirco and the K1 fighters, so pride has developed more a broad sense of taking all comers, even ones that are down on their luck like phil baroni.

Look what Yeves edwards did... he wanted to fight the best in his divison and it wasnt in the UFC... so he went to pride. But you see tons of Japanese coming to UFC as well, to test themselves.

For most fighters if you ask them, they will tell you, the first show they seen was the UFC as it is the Grand daddy of the sport and pride is just a new comer on to the scene. Most want to fight in the UFC but wont get a chance.

I personally love the pride rules, the kicks and stomps. I hate whiners that say, take out the kicks. I think they need to bring back old school Vale tudo rules with head butts, ground kicks and other things but in the UFC that is not possible as people get injured too quickly with kicks against the fence.

So in that issue pride is much better.

if you take the best fighters in the world, you can see who rules, the ufc or pride and its a combination of the two

SUPER HEAVYWEIGHTS:
PRIDE:
waterman, sapp, Zulu

UFC:
NONE WAHHHHHHH

PRIDE IS BETTER IN SUPER HEAVYWEIGHTS

HEAVYWEIGHTS
Pride:
Fedor, sergie, nogueria (three really strong ones and many more)

UFC: heavyweight
arlovski, Frank Mir, Sivlia, Cabbage (2 strong ones)

PRIDE WINS


Light heavyweights
Pride:
Ninja, Vanderlie, nogueria, volchanchyn, rampage

UFC:
tito, belfort, liddell, couture, forrest, Sobral, bonnar, Wiuff, and many more

UFC has the lightweight division easy in my opinion

Middleweights
Pride:
Filho, yushin okami, rodrigo gracie (non existant division)

UFC:
leben, rich franklin, tanner, swick, jermey horn, Loiseau, quarry, hallman, shonie, doerkson (i could go on)

Again UFC all the way in mid weight

Welterweight
Too big to list for UFC compared to pride. Ufc has major depth in the welterweights. hughs, st pierre, trigg on and on

I give the lightweight and featherweight to Pride

So....

Super heavyweights = Pride
Heavyweights = Pride
LightHeavy = UFC
Midde = UFC
Welter = UFC
Light = Pride (most of ufcs fighters went to pride for competition
fly = Pride

You can look at this as 4 against 3 for pride, but I look at more factors than this

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so pride owns the top and the bottom.. UFC owns the middle

Its pretty even if you ask me. I personally like prides rules and UFCs technique and if I had to choose one...

I would choose UFC :)
 
Quaid said:
You guys are pretty harsh on Rogan huh. While Bas is the man, I think that Rogan has become more bearable over the years.

You also can't beat the octagon in UFC, those ropes on the boxing ring for pride have to go. Youve got guys trying to punch through them for christ sake. Also in Pride they stop the fights too early many of the time. But I do like the head stomp in Pride.

Any of you guys see the last Pride- Bushido tournament? That was sick, their lightweight fights were amazing.

I think that Pride is stronger in the lightweight and heavyweight divisions while UFC is stronger in the welterweight division

However I really don't see anyone beating Arlovski right now, I dont care who it is from Pride. Same goes for GSP, and Gomi from Pride. I think those are the top 3 guys out there.
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I think.. fedor would smoke on arlovski... I think nogueria and Frank mir would both submit orlovski :)

I think arlovski rocks, but I agree, he hasnt really been tested. No where close to what nogueira and fedor have been tested.
 
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