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Trying new supplement honest advice appreciated.

Leo108

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Started 17 Methyl Dione Extreme from house of muscle about 2 weeks ago. Its ingredients are 3b-hydroxy-androst-5-ene-17-one 100mg/ acetyl-l-carnitine 400 mg. Wanted to kick start my workouts since I took a few months off. I feel great definitely got me more powerful. I know it's not going to happen overnight but I can definitely see/feel changes. I bought nolvadren XT and E -block just in case for after as a PCT also taking cycle support just for my liver anyway... I like to drink haha.
Does anybody know about the 3b-hydroxy-androst-5-ene-17-one and did I make a sound choice haven't heard anything from others. Thanks for your advice
 
That all sounds garbage to me pal. Sure all the dudes making money off it will tell u it's the dogs bollocks tho.

Otc pct's are wank.
 
That's just DHEA.

I feel great definitely got me more powerful. I know it's not going to happen overnight but I can definitely see/feel changes.
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Behold the placebo effect in action.
 
Thanks man. Yeah I was just wondering if I had to take a PCT after it I don't want to worry about any estrogen levels.
 
Leo108 said:
Thanks man. Yeah I was just wondering if I had to take a PCT after it I don't want to worry about any estrogen levels.
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DHEA barely moves Test numbers, so you aren't suppressed, needing a PCT which is a SERM like Clomid/Nolva. It won't do anything so out of range with Estrogen either, where you'd have to worry. If your nipples aren't on fire with pain just crossing your arms in front of you - you don't have an Estrogen problem. Now, can it put you higher than optimal (15-?30'ish?) Maybe - but that isn't Gynocomastia territory, just stop taking it. Get blood work if you really want to know. Worrying about SERMs and AIs because of oral DHEA is a waste of time and money.
 
Leo108 said:
Thanks man. Yeah I was just wondering if I had to take a PCT after it I don't want to worry about any estrogen levels.
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The_Old_Guy said:
DHEA barely moves Test numbers, so you aren't suppressed, needing a PCT which is a SERM like Clomid/Nolva. It won't do anything so out of range with Estrogen either, where you'd have to worry. If your nipples aren't on fire with pain just crossing your arms in front of you - you don't have an Estrogen problem. Now, can it put you higher than optimal (15-?30'ish?) Maybe - but that isn't Gynocomastia territory, just stop taking it. Get blood work if you really want to know. Worrying about SERMs and AIs because of oral DHEA is a waste of time and money.
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The old guy nailed it here.

Wish you all the best leo
 
Seems like the gentlemen above already stated it. I would make sure to study what your planning on taking before purchase. Then ask about it. Saves time and money.
 
The_Old_Guy said:
That's just DHEA.



Behold the placebo effect in action.
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Let's not get too carried away now - it may NOT be placebo. You are assuming it is ACTUALLY what the label says it is. There is a chance it could be something else, something effective.
 
I did research You can however use 3Beta-Hydroxyandrost-5-Ene-17-One, the last legal androgen that converts to testosterone. You can’t just take this supplement however to get great results, you need it mixed with the right anti-estrogens and activators to make it active.

One user of 3Beta-Hydroxyandrost-5-Ene-17-One got his test levels up to the equivalent to 500mg of testosterone enthanate per week, using 3Beta-Hydroxyandrost-5-Ene-17-One as a supplement with the right cofactors. Imagine equal to 500mg of testosterone injections per week with a legal supplement!

First, you need to include an aromatase inhibitor. This combination has shown in the literature to boost 3Beta-Hydroxyandrost-5-Ene-17-One conversion to testosterone exponentially.

Second, you need factors that stop the excretion of testosterone and 3Beta-Hydroxyandrost-5-Ene-17-One from the body. These factors keep the hormone active for much longer than standard oral preperations.

If you use these co-factors, you can actually get the benefits of a sane cycle of testosterone without painful injections or nasty side effects.
 
Leo108 said:
I did research You can however use 3Beta-Hydroxyandrost-5-Ene-17-One, the last legal androgen that converts to testosterone. You can’t just take this supplement however to get great results, you need it mixed with the right anti-estrogens and activators to make it active.

One user of 3Beta-Hydroxyandrost-5-Ene-17-One got his test levels up to the equivalent to 500mg of testosterone enthanate per week, using 3Beta-Hydroxyandrost-5-Ene-17-One as a supplement with the right cofactors. Imagine equal to 500mg of testosterone injections per week with a legal supplement!

First, you need to include an aromatase inhibitor. This combination has shown in the literature to boost 3Beta-Hydroxyandrost-5-Ene-17-One conversion to testosterone exponentially.

Second, you need factors that stop the excretion of testosterone and 3Beta-Hydroxyandrost-5-Ene-17-One from the body. These factors keep the hormone active for much longer than standard oral preperations.

If you use these co-factors, you can actually get the benefits of a sane cycle of testosterone without painful injections or nasty side effects.
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You pulled that off a Mind and Muscle advertorial. DHEA can make older people feel better because age decreases production/conversion, younger people are usually in range. It's all over PubMed (including a couple of Transdermal studies) and when it does positively affect Sex Hormones, it's still only small bumps in the physiological range. 500mg of Test Enanthate...ok.
 
HIT4ME said:
Let's not get too carried away now - it may NOT be placebo. You are assuming it is ACTUALLY what the label says it is. There is a chance it could be something else, something effective.
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Well, yeah - but then we can't discuss anything because it all may be unknown drugs :D The info in regards to what's on the label is what we have to go buy.
 
wow, thats just crazy, marketing DHEA as a Methyl Steroid :banghead:
 
The_Old_Guy said:
Well, yeah - but then we can't discuss anything because it all may be unknown drugs :D The info in regards to what's on the label is what we have to go buy.
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haha - yeah. I wasn't being serious really, just joking based on your placebo effect statement. It may actually be an effective substance...who the heck knows?

vujade said:
wow, thats just crazy, marketing DHEA as a Methyl Steroid :banghead:
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Yeah, this is why we can't have nice things.
 
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