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Raider2022

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Can you guys point me to the right direction to get testosterone???? Last year I went to a TRT clinic, I was a no go...I am 38YOA, overall health was good and my "testosterone level" was 608.

Is there any hope of getting on Test? Should I try another clinic? I'm in San Antonio, TX area, would insurance cover any of the monthly cost?

How is it that you guys get this stuff at optimal dosages? Been natty the whole time.
 
trt clinics should deny you based on health markers, not test being normal.

insurance typically will only cover if it's prescribed out of necessity. like from a general practitioner and you're low t
 
No reputable Dr. is going to prescribe testosterone to someone with test levels in the 600's. So unless you can find a shady clinic (cough, Florida, cough, cough) there not going to prescribe you. Or you intentionally crash your testosterone before getting bloods Or you just buy black market. Those are your options
 
Smont said:
No reputable Dr. is going to prescribe testosterone to someone with test levels in the 600's. So unless you can find a shady clinic (cough, Florida, cough, cough) there not going to prescribe you. Or you intentionally crash your testosterone before getting bloods Or you just buy black market. Those are your options
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Any common areas to look in the black market?
 
What are your goals for getting TRT? From the results you got you don't seem to need your natural testosterone levels replaced.

Are you trying to get test to cycle? Are you not feeling the way you think you ought to?

You can probably find alot of helpful info and advice here on meeting your goals.

The odds are very high that TRT is not going to be the best (or even the most cost effective) way to get what you are trying to achieve anyways.
 
Raider2022 said:
Can you guys point me to the right direction to get testosterone???? Last year I went to a TRT clinic, I was a no go...I am 38YOA, overall health was good and my "testosterone level" was 608.

Is there any hope of getting on Test? Should I try another clinic? I'm in San Antonio, TX area, would insurance cover any of the monthly cost?

How is it that you guys get this stuff at optimal dosages? Been natty the whole time.
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You don't need TRT. You want an MD prescribed cycle. There are so many sources for stuff now it won't take much looking on your part. I'm not judging your desire at all since I love AAS. Strong people are harder to kill than weak people and they're more useful in general.

Your levels are pretty high for most 38YO American males. I've been on TRT for a very long time. My prior cycling and career (it eats HPTA for breakfast) led to an early requirement for it. There are growing pains associated with TRT. Getting it dialed in can take years, literally.

At 38YO you probably have some aches and pains from life and the gym. A moderate Test/Deca (for joints) cycle will likely be everything you're looking for. I'd attempt PCT but if it doesn't work then you'll be a realistic candidate for TRT.
 
bad rad said:
You don't need TRT. You want an MD prescribed cycle. There are so many sources for stuff now it won't take much looking on your part. I'm not judging your desire at all since I love AAS. Strong people are harder to kill than weak people and they're more useful in general.

Your levels are pretty high for most 38YO American males. I've been on TRT for a very long time. My prior cycling and career (it eats HPTA for breakfast) led to an early requirement for it. There are growing pains associated with TRT. Getting it dialed in can take years, literally.

At 38YO you probably have some aches and pains from life and the gym. A moderate Test/Deca (for joints) cycle will likely be everything you're looking for. I'd attempt PCT but if it doesn't work then you'll be a realistic candidate for TRT.
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I think I am in the same boat. Just had my T tested to see if I could start TRT and my TT came back in the low 400s. Doc won't give me the Jatenza I wanted.
I am 56 and feeling the weight of getting old. I want to feel the vigor all you guys with supraphysiological T are bragging about.
 
Lumalux said:
I think I am in the same boat. Just had my T tested to see if I could start TRT and my TT came back in the low 400s. Doc won't give me the Jatenza I wanted.
I am 56 and feeling the weight of getting old. I want to feel the vigor all you guys with supraphysiological T are bragging about.
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At 56 with a 400 level I'd bet you can find a few DR. Who will prescribe you trt for quality of life. Your definitely a candidate for a clinic. The op at 600+ not so much
 
Smont said:
At 56 with a 400 level I'd bet you can find a few DR. Who will prescribe you trt for quality of life. Your definitely a candidate for a clinic. The op at 600+ not so much
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And if I tell him I can't get it up, maybe that will help.
 
Lumalux said:
And if I tell him I can't get it up, maybe that will help.
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Possibly, a good dr. Would absolutely take that into consideration on deciding trt, a s***** doctor will just give you some Viagra as a Band-Aid. A really good Dr. Will give you both!
 
More up to date endos will take your testosterone levels and say ok, your on the lower end of normal, you have low energy and low sex drive. It should be a no brainer for trt because at 56 it's highly unlikely your going to bring those numbers up by natural means. At least not for a permanent fix
 
He is one of the top urologists/men's health docs in the area. and when we met last week, he was very open to prescribing Jatenza, HCG, among other things. But I guess he thought my numbers would come back lower. I was so excited after the visit, sure I'd be starting on Jatenza soon, but that dream has been killed. What about Defy?
 
Could any supps I have been using recently - Optimize-T, zinc, boron, butea superba - raise it enough to push me into that range?
 
Lumalux said:
He is one of the top urologists/men's health docs in the area. and when we met last week, he was very open to prescribing Jatenza, HCG, among other things. But I guess he thought my numbers would come back lower. I was so excited after the visit, sure I'd be starting on Jatenza soon, but that dream has been killed. What about Defy?
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You don't want a urologist, you want an endocrinologist. There not the same thing. Also I would not be looking for jatenzo, that's testosterone undecanoate. It's probably the most undesirable testosterone to maintain stable levels. They give you a massive dose like every other month or something like that, no thank you.
 
Smont said:
You don't want a urologist, you want an endocrinologist. There not the same thing. Also I would not be looking for jatenzo, that's testosterone undecanoate. It's probably the most undesirable testosterone to maintain stable levels. They give you a massive dose like every other month or something like that, no thank you.
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No, it's a small oral dose twice a day. From everything I've read about it, it's a game changer.
 
If I were you I would stop taking anything that might boost testosterone, after a couple weeks see if you can get referred to a endocrinologist with a fresh round of bloodwork. That would be a good start
 
Lumalux said:
I think I am in the same boat. Just had my T tested to see if I could start TRT and my TT came back in the low 400s. Doc won't give me the Jatenza I wanted.
I am 56 and feeling the weight of getting old. I want to feel the vigor all you guys with supraphysiological T are bragging about.
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Sounds silly but there is a big difference for quality of life between 400 and 600 serum testosterone levels.

I don't want to derail the OP's thread but look at lifestyle changes first. If you're overfat lose some adipose tissue. That Jatenzo is oral TRT with a terrible delivery mechanism. It was Andriol originally and required 160mg daily minimum to increase serum testosterone levels to bottom range. I'd prefer parental TRT but if that's what you get use slin pins to inject 1cc of the capsules every third day. Tadalafil is pretty awesome at 5mg daily for erections and prostate health.
 
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bad rad said:
Sounds silly but there is a big difference for quality of life between 400 and 600 serum testosterone levels.

I don't want to derail the OP's thread but look at lifestyle changes first. If you're overfat lose some adipose tissue. That Jatenzo is oral TRT with a terrible delivery mechanism. It was Andriol originally and required 160mg daily minimum to increase serum testosterone levels to bottom range. I'd prefer parental TRT but if that's what you get use slin pins to inject 1cc of the capsules every third day. Tadalafil is pretty awesome at 5mg daily for erections and prostate health.
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So this isnt something new? Same as the old oral test caps with another delivery method?

If Soo I would agree it's a poor choice
 
how can everyone say 600 test is good enough when we don't know his free t? why does everyone consider this number good enough
 
how can everyone say 600 test is good enough when we don't know his free t? why does everyone consider this number good enough
 
Kronic said:
how can everyone say 600 test is good enough when we don't know his free t? why does everyone consider this number good enough
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Because there are SHBG receptors on muscle cells too. Free Test isn't the Holy Grail everyone thought it was. Overly high free Test causes high E2 and a host of issues. For low SHBG guys (me) it causes crappy TRT sides.
 
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Kronic said:
how can everyone say 600 test is good enough when we don't know his free t? why does everyone consider this number good enough
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His Dr considered his test good enough, just like most Dr will. I'm not saying 600 test without knowing free t is fine. But for the large majority of regular Drs 600 is enough for them to say no and that's all that really matters in his position.
 
Smont said:
No reputable Dr. is going to prescribe testosterone to someone with test levels in the 600's. So unless you can find a shady clinic (cough, Florida, cough, cough) there not going to prescribe you. Or you intentionally crash your testosterone before getting bloods Or you just buy black market. Those are your options
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It's getting hard in Florida these days too. I'm getting trt out of Oregon LOL... if you want a shady trt doc your going to pay out the ass man, it's not financially feasible. Once you do get trt though, you can shop around non "anti aging clinic" doctors to transfer to for normal doc prices. But you'll be stuck for a year paying a minimum of around 250 a month
 
The OP hasn't responded since he was told to google to find some sources. I don't think he's coming back. And I still don't think true TRT is what he was looking for.

My guess is he thinks just adding some T to his system will be that magic pill that burns away all his fat and replaces it with 20 lbs of muscle without any real work.

He'll probably find a source and either get ripped off or get gyno, and maybe in a year or two he'll come back asking for help with whatever health issues he's got going on at that time.

I certainly don't hope for that to happen, I just wish more people would use this forum for the resource it is: a wealth of knowledge/experience regarding everything for healthy living and training (of which gear info is only a small portion).
 
match said:
The OP hasn't responded since he was told to google to find some sources. I don't think he's coming back. And I still don't think true TRT is what he was looking for.

My guess is he thinks just adding some T to his system will be that magic pill that burns away all his fat and replaces it with 20 lbs of muscle without any real work.

He'll probably find a source and either get ripped off or get gyno, and maybe in a year or two he'll come back asking for help with whatever health issues he's got going on at that time.

I certainly don't hope for that to happen, I just wish more people would use this forum for the resource it is: a wealth of knowledge/experience regarding everything for healthy living and training (of which gear info is only a small portion).
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If I had to guess he is under the impression that trt and steroid cycles are the same thing.

Nothing against this guy in particular but I have to stop responding to every post I think I have a answer for. I notice more and more that ppl join, ask a couple questions and dissapear.

I m going to make a point not to interact with ppl until they make like 100 posts lol. At least then I knind know there going to be active and not looking to be spoonfed advice and recommendations.
 
Smont said:
If I had to guess he is under the impression that trt and steroid cycles are the same thing.

Nothing against this guy in particular but I have to stop responding to every post I think I have a answer for. I notice more and more that ppl join, ask a couple questions and dissapear.

I m going to make a point not to interact with ppl until they make like 100 posts lol. At least then I knind know there going to be active and not looking to be spoonfed advice and recommendations.
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:confused: I guess I am in kinda the same boat as OP. Not sure what I want. Getting old and just want to feel some of the benefits of high T that everyone raves about.

Please don't stop posting responses. You know your **** and a lot of us respect that.
 
Lumalux said:
:confused: I guess I am in kinda the same boat as OP. Not sure what I want. Getting old and just want to feel some of the benefits of high T that everyone raves about.

Please don't stop posting responses. You know your **** and a lot of us respect that.
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Don't get me wrong. If your test is on the lower end or your a older guy in general who's feeling off then having the hormone levels of when you were a teenager is probably going to make you feel a lot better. But I have no interest in the pills or creams. Everyone I know who's used those was dissapointed.

Also, not everyone feels different on testosterone. I don't really. Some guys go from natural to trt and they feel better some guys go from a trt dose to a cycle dose and everything feels alpha and amazing and through the roof.

I'm pretty much level all the time no matter what I take. From being off completely to being on trt to being on full blown cycles I feel exactly the same. I noticed a difference in my results with the more stuff that I take. But I don't feel any different.

To be fair I've never pushed the envelope and taking a bunch of gear. I'm gon to what I would consider high doses twice and those doses I have buddies who would consider them baby doses still.

For me trt is 150mg of test.

A cycle is 400-600mg of gear, maybe throwing an oral at the end or a random sarm to mess around with.

Even when I was younger I think I went over a thousand milligrams once and it was for 6 weeks.

Every time I've tried bumping up my doses something would come up and I had to abandon the cycle so I never really wrote it out for any amount of time to make high doses worthwhile for me.
 
Lumalux said:
:confused: I guess I am in kinda the same boat as OP. Not sure what I want. Getting old and just want to feel some of the benefits of high T that everyone raves about.

Please don't stop posting responses. You know your **** and a lot of us respect that.
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I don't know that you and him were in the same boat. There's no way to really know what the OP really wanted. He didn't say anything except to try to find out how to get on TRT when his results had come back at 600 T and his doc said he wouldn't put him on TRT.

Had he defined his goals he could have gotten some really fantastic advice for free.

A lot of times people like that come in here thinking they know what they need, but you do a little digging into their current diet/training/body comp/history and their goals and you quickly find out if they are on the right track or if they are looking for the whatever easy button the fitness industry is selling that month.

You, on the other hand, are posting, asking questions, and sticking around.

The first step in learning is admitting you don't know everything.

My guess is you know what you want, so maybe this thread can be used to help you achieve your goals, assuming the OP is gone and doesn't plan to return. What do you want, in the simplest terms? Let's start there with your mission statement and then all of us can ask some questions to get better context and help get you some guidance.

Like I keep saying: amazing free advice, why not take advantage of it?? 😁
 
Smont said:
Don't get me wrong. If your test is on the lower end or your a older guy in general who's feeling off then having the hormone levels of when you were a teenager is probably going to make you feel a lot better. But I have no interest in the pills or creams. Everyone I know who's used those was dissapointed.

Also, not everyone feels different on testosterone. I don't really. Some guys go from natural to trt and they feel better some guys go from a trt dose to a cycle dose and everything feels alpha and amazing and through the roof.

I'm pretty much level all the time no matter what I take. From being off completely to being on trt to being on full blown cycles I feel exactly the same. I noticed a difference in my results with the more stuff that I take. But I don't feel any different.
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I don't feel that different with high test levels either. When I went from around 200 to 800 when starting TRT the difference was subtle. Gradually felt better overall but happened slowly over the first 6 months or longer. Even when blasting I don't get much of an 'on' feeling that people often speak of. I actually get more of a feeling like that with a few hundred mgs of transdermal epiandro. Everyone is different.
 
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