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Sparkss said:
Yes, you do seem to have a great doctor. Makes me want to start shopping around LOL.

So that $41.50 is for 2.5 months worth? (10 weeks) That breaks down to $4.15 per week. Time for me to start researching doctors again *sigh*.
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The obvious best solution is to find a "hip, with it" local guy and get everything on insurance. If not, then you have to start going backwards, which costs more. From my limited research (because I got lucky with my local DO) you can get treated by Dr. Crisler in Lansing, MI - I've heard good things about a Dr. Saya at Defy Medical, - and I actually think Dr. Rand McClain is doing remote consults now too. I know the initial consult with Crisler is $595, and all followups are $75. Then there is whatever bloodwork is needed. We already know that GoodRx is a savior for out of pocket Test (GodRx? LOL). Start researching. (BTW - Crisler's staff likes to be contacted via email or their allthingsmale forum - you can call, but you'll have to leave a message and she'll call you back and send an email with that info ^ :D)

I have no idea how switching doctors works, but maybe since you are already Rx'd TRT - it isn't that complicated to switch? I'd call every doctor on your Insurance company's list (or any, if not using insurance) and ask if they'll Rx Test Cyp for at home injection. If not, move down the list.
 
The_Old_Guy said:
Your DO/MD went straight to 200mg/Week? What did your blood work show as far as the various Sex Hormone levels? And when is your next blood draw - I'd like to hear what 200mg/Week puts you at (and your RBC and Hematocrit).

And did he Rx an Aromatase Inhibitor? Oh, and was he cool with SubQ? Cuz mine definitely wasn't, LOL.
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I am also curious as to how that treats your RBC/Hemocrit. Did either of you get an AI prescription? I recall kenpoengineer noted that he takes I think it was 1/2 or 1/4 armimidex the day after his injection and that is the sweet spot for him. Maybe he can chime in.

So far with the pellets I just take DIM (per my doctor) and that has been enough to keep my estro levels under control.
 
Sparkss said:
I am also curious as to how that treats your RBC/Hemocrit. Did either of you get an AI prescription? I recall kenpoengineer noted that he takes I think it was 1/2 or 1/4 armimidex the day after his injection and that is the sweet spot for him. Maybe he can chime in.

So far with the pellets I just take DIM (per my doctor) and that has been enough to keep my estro levels under control.
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I have Exemestane coming out of my ears at home. My guy didn't bring up an AI, and I just wanted to get that script with as little interference as possible :D Since I knew I was going SubQ, which Crisler says can possibly mitigate the need for an AI at all, I'm just keeping a "feel" on my chesticle area - anything strange and I'll open my Aromasin and then contact him for an Rx. But I have yet to experience any E2 related issues with anything I've taken so far and while I'm a newbie at this, I'm not worried about E at TRT levels in the 6,7,800 range.
 
The_Old_Guy said:
I have Exemestane coming out of my ears at home. My guy didn't bring up an AI, and I just wanted to get that script with as little interference as possible :D Since I knew I was going SubQ, which Crisler says can possibly mitigate the need for an AI at all, I'm just keeping a "feel" on my chesticle area - anything strange and I'll open my Aromasin and then contact him for an Rx. But I have yet to experience any E2 related issues with anything I've taken so far and while I'm a newbie at this, I'm not worried about E at TRT levels in the 6,7,800 range.
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The doc has the pellets dialed in to keep me in the mid 600s, which works for me. It was night and day quality of life difference when I started on it.
 
The_Old_Guy said:
The obvious best solution is to find a "hip, with it" local guy and get everything on insurance. If not, then you have to start going backwards, which costs more. From my limited research (because I got lucky with my local DO) you can get treated by Dr. Crisler in Lansing, MI - I've heard good things about a Dr. Saya at Defy Medical, - and I actually think Dr. Rand McClain is doing remote consults now too. I know the initial consult with Crisler is $595, and all followups are $75. Then there is whatever bloodwork is needed. We already know that GoodRx is a savior for out of pocket Test (GodRx? LOL). Start researching. (BTW - Crisler's staff likes to be contacted via email or their allthingsmale forum - you can call, but you'll have to leave a message and she'll call you back and send an email with that info ^ :D)

I have no idea how switching doctors works, but maybe since you are already Rx'd TRT - it isn't that complicated to switch? I'd call every doctor on your Insurance company's list (or any, if not using insurance) and ask if they'll Rx Test Cyp for at home injection. If not, move down the list.
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I am going in today to get my next round of pellets. Since I already had him order them for me (they take a week+ to get in, so I started that process before this thread) I am going to go through with it. I don't want to leave him holding the bag on the pellets. But I will have a frank discussion on whether or not he will switch me to self-administered injections or not, when this current round of pellets is done. If not, then I am off to start doctor hunting. I have the labs to support a new prescription if needed. I am not too worried about finding one, it is just a hassle if I have to start shopping. I am hoping that my doc will weigh the cost of losing me and the rest of my family as patients (he knows me and my wife both use him for our GP) against whatever his margin is for the pellets. :).


justhere4comm said:
No sir. 200mg/ml 10ml vial. Draw was in the morning and I scored 200
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justhere4comm said:
Sorry. 50mg twice per week.
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So the biggest difference between 100mg/ml and 200mg/ml is that you only have to dose .25 ml instead of .5 ml when using the 200mg/ml? (when taking 50mg twice a week)


What days/times do you guys do your injections? Any more feedback on the subq method? I watched the video and he did mention something like "every 10th injection you may get a hot spot" or something like that. Basically that it is not 100% pain free, but reasonably so.

I did some research on travelling with TRT supplies, including syringes. It appears that the TSA allows them in carry-on baggage so long as the label/prescription is intact and valid. And I did read that Test-C should be stored at room temperature, so no worries there (unlike HCG).
 
Real quick and I will expand on this later. I'm actually starting out at .2 mg x2 weekly for 4-5 weeks then draw bloods.

If in fact there is a 20% increase in T by sub q. My numbers should be predictable slightly in comparing them to 100 mg weekly.

I'm expecting 600nl/dl.
I may yield more or less. No HCG so we will see e2 as well. No AI at least for now.
 
I'm doing Monday 6AM, and Thursday 6PM - exactly 3.5 Days apart per week. 50mg each time (0.5ml, 0.5cc, or 50 Units... take your pick - from a 100mg/ml vial). Using either the 25G 5/8, or the 26G 3/8, the injection is 99.9% pain free for me - seriously, doing a finger prick to measure blood glucose/ketones hurts more, LOL.
 
Thanks. What injection site are you both using?


For sub-q why does Crissler advocate using the abs versus a more "fatty" area like the glutes? (just curious if I missed his justification). Is it considered an easier site to hit? Thanks!
 
5/8" 25g abs in fat. I've got less fat on my butt. Go where the fat is or love handles with z.

No pain.
Monday and Friday morning
 
Sparkss said:
Thanks. What injection site are you both using?


For sub-q why does Crissler advocate using the abs versus a more "fatty" area like the glutes? (just curious if I missed his justification). Is it considered an easier site to hit? Thanks!
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I (unfortunately :D) can do it where he does it in the video - so I do. No idea, but probably what you said, and I like being able to hold the barrel near the skin as I push the plunger.
 
Going on 7 years of TRT here.

-Went through a year+ of testing, changing lifestyle, getting DECA, MRI, gut health checks, etc..
-I started at 200mg weekly for the first 3 months. Saw immediate results, but also started experiencing sides with e2 and BP.
-Dropped back to 100mg weekly and e2 sides disappeared, symptoms subsided and felt pretty good.
-About 2 years in, I started studying Prenenolone and DHEA supplementing and brought this to my endo. He felt it wasn't necessary as I was in the mid-range, but decided to go for it. 50mg preg and 25 mg DHEA sublingual.
- After a couple of weeks, I was a new man. More energy than I knew what to do with, confidence, libido, overall alpha. Endo tested levels and I was at the very top of the range for preg and DHEA with test levels remaining at what they were before supplementing. No e2 issues. This has remained part of my protocol.
- 2 years ago decided to move to 50mg e3.5d and saw some improvement in mood, but mainly it kept my test levels lower and more stable. I'd peak around 850-900 and trough in high 500s/low 600s. However, it became a PITA, literally, and scar tissue was building and the timing was inconvenient.
-As of 6 months ago I am back to 100mg e7d and feel the same as with e3.5d, except that I have experienced improved muscle mass and fat loss. I peak around 1350 and trough in the mid 600s. Peaking on the higher, slight outside of physiological levels has improved muscle mass. I pretty quickly went from walking around 205ish to 210ish within 30 days and dropped by eye gauge 1-2%bf.

So that is where I am. 100mg test cyp e7d, 10mg preg/25mg DHEA eod, no AI. I will keep an AI around for the times I know I'll be drinking as I tend to blow up with water gain very fast, but that is about it.
 
Sparkss said:
I did some research on travelling with TRT supplies, including syringes. It appears that the TSA allows them in carry-on baggage so long as the label/prescription is intact and valid. And I did read that Test-C should be stored at room temperature, so no worries there (unlike HCG).
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I've flown with all my stuff (testosterone, Anastrozole, syringes, hCG) in my checked baggage and never had any problems. I've never tried with a carry-on though.
 
kisaj said:
Going on 7 years of TRT here.

-Went through a year+ of testing, changing lifestyle, getting DECA, MRI, gut health checks, etc..
-I started at 200mg weekly for the first 3 months. Saw immediate results, but also started experiencing sides with e2 and BP.
-Dropped back to 100mg weekly and e2 sides disappeared, symptoms subsided and felt pretty good.
-About 2 years in, I started studying Prenenolone and DHEA supplementing and brought this to my endo. He felt it wasn't necessary as I was in the mid-range, but decided to go for it. 50mg preg and 25 mg DHEA sublingual.
- After a couple of weeks, I was a new man. More energy than I knew what to do with, confidence, libido, overall alpha. Endo tested levels and I was at the very top of the range for preg and DHEA with test levels remaining at what they were before supplementing. No e2 issues. This has remained part of my protocol.
- 2 years ago decided to move to 50mg e3.5d and saw some improvement in mood, but mainly it kept my test levels lower and more stable. I'd peak around 850-900 and trough in high 500s/low 600s. However, it became a PITA, literally, and scar tissue was building and the timing was inconvenient.
-As of 6 months ago I am back to 100mg e7d and feel the same as with 33.5d, except that I have experienced improved muscle mass and fat loss. I peak around 1350 and trough in the mid 600s. Staying on the higher, slight outside of physiological levels has improved muscle mass. I pretty quickly went from walking around 205ish to 210ish within 30 days and dropped by eye gauge 1-2%bf.

So that is where I am. 100mg test cyp e7d, 10mg preg/25mg DHEA eod, no AI. I will keep an AI around for the times I know I'll be drinking as I tend to blow up with water gain very fast, but that is about it.
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I also supplement my TRT with Pregnenolone and DHEA. They are pretty cheap OTC supplements. That is interesting about the e7d vs e3.5d assessment and the pros/cons of both. Great feedback. Thanks!

EDIT: I will add that 600+ is good for me, mid to low 500's and I literally can start to feel it. Quality of life difference between the low 600's and mid to low 500's (for me) is distinct. When I drop below 500 it is night and day different
 
mike33511 said:
I've flown with all my stuff (testosterone, Anastrozole, syringes, hCG) in my checked baggage and never had any problems. I've never tried with a carry-on though.
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I figured worst case if they took away the syringes I could just pick some up at a pharmacy at my destination. It is not like they would take away the test-c vial and alcohol wipes :) (so long as I am under the carry on liquid amounts, which I would be).
 
Sparkss said:
EDIT: I will add that 600+ is good for me, mid to low 500's and I literally can start to feel it. Quality of life difference between the low 600's and mid to low 500's (for me) is distinct. When I drop below 500 it is night and day different
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I agree with you. I feel my best in 600-800. Above that I see the aggression to a small degree and below that I see moodiness. However, it is matter of balance with convenience and sustainability over the long haul, so e7d is currently better. I think we all know, if you have been on for awhile, that it will be a constant adjustment.
 
The_Old_Guy said:
GoodRx, Walgreen's, check it for your zip code. 10ml of 200mg/ml is even cheaper (when you take into account that you get more if you are at 100mg/Week).
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pretty pricey here

Prices and coupons for 1 vial (10ml) of testosterone cypionate 100mg/ml

Walgreens 27.91
CVS 44.00
Walmart 57.54
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I live in Florida.
 
I got tired of dealing with Walgreens and CVS with all the BS changes regarding vial sizes- they will only dispense monthly so I have to get 1ML bottles and pay each time. Now I just pay cash and buy it straight from my doc for $75. Considering that lasts me 3 months, it's cheaper than any OTC test booster. LOL
 
That's strange because at Walgreens with GoodRx 200mg/ml 10ml vial costs 41.58 at Walgreens while it is 35.40 or so at CVS. The only reason I get it filled at Walgreens is the proximity to our house and it's crazy driving to CVS. I'd rather not die driving surrounded by crazy old people to get my prescription. I can walk to Walgreens. (Walmart is the most expensive, isn't that odd?)

I initially bought my needles from there after the kid behind the counter was questioning me about Sub Q and trying to find the needles... I was like, so, there is quite a bit of data on it, and I'm surprised nobody else coming here wants 5/8" 25g needles. It's worth an effort to see how beneficial it is, even in light of some solid data already form kisaj. I want to make a go initially towards leveling my numbers out and then compare after 6 weeks of Sub Q, should I choose to go IM.
 
justhere4comm said:
That's strange because at Walgreens with GoodRx 200mg/ml 10ml vial costs 41.58 at Walgreens while it is 35.40 or so at CVS. The only reason I get it filled at Walgreens is the proximity to our house and it's crazy driving to CVS. I'd rather not die driving surrounded by crazy old people to get my prescription. I can walk to Walgreens. (Walmart is the most expensive, isn't that odd?)

I initially bought my needles from there after the kid behind the counter was questioning me about Sub Q and trying to find the needles... I was like, so, there is quite a bit of data on it, and I'm surprised nobody else coming here wants 5/8" 25g needles. It's worth an effort to see how beneficial it is, even in light of some solid data already form kisaj. I want to make a go initially towards leveling my numbers out and then compare after 6 weeks of Sub Q, should I choose to go IM.
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my doc said he would switch me over to test-c injections after this run of pellets (since he already purchased the pellets), which I am fine with. He did tell me about all the downsides to injections vs the pellets.

1. Test levels fluctuate a lot more (day to day)
2. Pulmonary Embolism is possible due to the oil in the injections
3. Skin necrosis at injection site
4. Scarring at injection site leading to painful nodules (collagen build up that impedes blood flow)

But he also told me that his information was dated. He hasn't done anything other than pellets for the last decade or so it sounded, but he did used to do injections. His recollection was 1 ml - 2 ml at a time, which sounds a lot like e7d dosing and possibly lesser concentrations than we have today.

Between the e3.5d dosing, high concentration test-c available (less overall injected each time so less oil) and that reduces or greatly mitigates his 1st two concerns. The last two can happen with pellets also, to be frank, and the chance/risk of them may be even further lessened by going sub-q.

I got the impression that he really did not want me to switch off of the pellets, but he did say that he would do whatever I wanted, so long as he felt that I fully understood and accepted the risks. So in 5 ~ 6 months I will be jumping over. For today he actually had ordered me an extra pellet, since I used my last set up in 5 months, he expects this set to last up to 6. We will see. At the very least I may end up with a higher level of test :).
 
kisaj Sorry, tons of questions coming your way

kisaj said:
- 2 years ago decided to move to 50mg e3.5d and saw some improvement in mood, but mainly it kept my test levels lower and more stable. I'd peak around 850-900 and trough in high 500s/low 600s. However, it became a PITA, literally, and scar tissue was building and the timing was inconvenient.
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How did the building scar tissue manifest itself? Was it muscle soreness that didn't subside with rest? Hard nodules under the skin? Harder to inject over time?

kisaj said:
I agree with you. I feel my best in 600-800. Above that I see the aggression to a small degree and below that I see moodiness. However, it is matter of balance with convenience and sustainability over the long haul, so e7d is currently better. I think we all know, if you have been on for awhile, that it will be a constant adjustment.
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For e7d: How bad was the aggression? How long did it last? (hours, days) No issues with the massive swings in test levels screwing with your system? (sleep, lipids or anything else). When does the moodiness start? how does it last? (until after the next shot?) Did you feel crashed by the time the next dose was due? You may be one of the lucky ones who metabolize closer to the high end of between 4.5 and 8 days.
 
Sparkss said:
kisaj Sorry, tons of questions coming your way

How did the building scar tissue manifest itself? Was it muscle soreness that didn't subside with rest? Hard nodules under the skin? Harder to inject over time?
- It took a few years and I switch from cheek to cheek, but it became noticeable as the needle would not easily slide in. You can actually feel it go through the scar tissue and it's slightly painful. Once the needle is in, injection is normal, but getting it in is difficult. I've switched to different areas on the glute to help.



For e7d: How bad was the aggression? How long did it last? (hours, days) No issues with the massive swings in test levels screwing with your system? (sleep, lipids or anything else). When does the moodiness start? how does it last? (until after the next shot?) Did you feel crashed by the time the next dose was due? You may be one of the lucky ones who metabolize closer to the high end of between 4.5 and 8 days.

-Aggression isn't bad and very manageable, but I am hyper aware of any changes and did notice it. Typically it crops up the day after injection as would be expected and subsides on day 3-4 as test levels drop back. I do not notice any drop and by the time I am ready for next injection I am fine. I do not experience the roller coaster, but I also manage my free test, preg/DHEA, and dopamine levels pretty well, and those are all in play.
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No problem, I'm happy to provide personal experience for any guidance. Answers inline.
 
kisaj is doing IM injections, there are fewer injection problems (according to Crisler and those that have been doing SubQ for a while) with SubQ. (Think Insulin - my kid gave herself 10,000 SubQ injections with an Insulin Pen, before she was old enough for a pump).

I think your Doctors "warnings", while appropriate - are rare worst case for most of them, ie. pulmonary embolism? And like you said, SubQ mitigates a lot of them.

If you order those pellets from your doctor - he is making a friggen fortune on them. Here is what GoodRx has to say about Testopel Pellets:

This prescription is provided by a doctor and is generally not available at a pharmacy.

This drug is administered by your healthcare practitioner (HCP), which usually means:

It may be expensive.
You cannot fill this prescription in a regular pharmacy. Your doctor, hospital, or clinic will provide this medication.
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They bolded the above too.

The 200mg/ml 10ml vial, for a 100mg/week protocol, would last 20 weeks and cost $2.20/week if you got it for $44. SWITCH!!!!! :D
 
I am switching, but I agreed to follow through with the pellets I already asked him to order (not fair to make him eat the cost because I decided at the last minute to switch methods). After that I am going to give the injections a try. He is on board with that.
 
The_Old_Guy said:
The 200mg/ml 10ml vial, for a 100mg/week protocol, would last 20 weeks and cost $2.20/week if you got it for $44. SWITCH!!!!! :D
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I recall reading in another thread (may have been on a TRT specific site) that some vials have an expiration label stating that it should be discarded 28 days after first puncture. Something about contamination potential. Anyone come across that on their vials or encounter any issues with using the same vial for extended periods?

kisaj said:
I got tired of dealing with Walgreens and CVS with all the BS changes regarding vial sizes- they will only dispense monthly so I have to get 1ML bottles and pay each time.
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Was that a local, state or some other policy? Maybe something specific to your insurance or prescription?

Has anyone else encountered issues with filling their prescriptions for more than a month's worth at a time?
 
As long as you follow good hygiene protocols (swab the vial rubber with alcohol pad each pin, etc) I dont think theres some huge risk.
 
Nac said:
As long as you follow good hygiene protocols (swab the vial rubber with alcohol pad each pin, etc) I dont think theres some huge risk.
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It was more around the air in the needle/syringe that ends up in the vial when you push out the bubble after filling the syringe. That the air could potentially contain contaminants, not the needle or vial top itself, as those get swabbed/are clean before each use anyways (or should be). I am not saying I agree 100% with the warning, but it does make a bit of sense.
 
Sparkss said:
It was more around the air in the needle/syringe that ends up in the vial when you push out the bubble after filling the syringe. That the air could potentially contain contaminants, not the needle or vial top itself, as those get swabbed/are clean before each use anyways (or should be). I am not saying I agree 100% with the warning, but it does make a bit of sense.
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Ah ok. Im not sure how much of a risk that is, but for the sake of convenience and getting the most from my vials (and not potentially dumping product needlessly) I guess its a risk Ill have to take.

My instinct says this is probably an understandably overcautious medical practice/warning. Know wat I mean?
 
My first vial is 10 weeks, so I'm not sure what "monthly" means as far as limits? Maybe it means a "unit", as in 1 vial?. Even so, if a 200mg/ml can be written for - that's a 5 month supply. The bottle I picked up in Feb has an expiration date of 7/2017 on it, so even a 200mg/ml vial should fit in that range. I think there'd be a ton of contamination info out there if it was a worry - people have been injecting for decades, and TRT has been mainstream for years?
 
Nac said:
Ah ok. Im not sure how much of a risk that is, but for the sake of convenience and getting the most from my vials (and not potentially dumping product needlessly) I guess its a risk Ill have to take.

My instinct says this is probably an understandably overcautious medical practice/warning. Know wat I mean?
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I'd call it an unfounded concern. We are injecting IM or subq, not intravenously. The chance that there is a contaminate in the air is miniscule at best.
 
Nac said:
Ah ok. Im not sure how much of a risk that is, but for the sake of convenience and getting the most from my vials (and not potentially dumping product needlessly) I guess its a risk Ill have to take.

My instinct says this is probably an understandably overcautious medical practice/warning. Know wat I mean?
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Right, probably more of a CYA action on the part of the pharma company or maybe even the pharmacy.

Nac said:
Im gonna start swabbing the air particles just to be safe.
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LOL :D
 
kisaj said:
I'd call it an unfounded concern. We are injecting IM or subq, not intravenously. The chance that there is a contaminate in the air is miniscule at best.
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I think it was more about any particles that got in (and didn't die due to the vial contents) could potentially replicate in the vial over time. More time == more (something growing?). Anyways, just something I read about a label a company was putting on their vials and the reasons behind it.
 
After 2 weeks (Four 50mg SubQ Injections) my doc did a blood draw - I'm pretty pleased:

TESTOSTERONE, TOTAL 842 ng/dL Range 250-1100
TESTOSTERONE FREE 75.7 pg/mL Range 35.0-155.0
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This was on a Monday before my injection - so a 3 day trough. No AI and no breast sensitivity. He's an older dude, didn't pull RBC, Hematocrit, E2 Sensitive, or PSA, so I may run down to LabCor right after an injection to see what the peak is and pull that other stuff. I just need him for the Rx anyway.
 
kisaj said:
Looks like you are responding well at the onset. Great to see.
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Yea - I was a bit worried as he was adamant that I do IM (yea, no thanks doc :D) and didn't want to deal with any additional mucking around. Like I said above, he's a guy in his 60's/70's? and one of those "Look at what the laptop says" Doc's. On the flip side, he *did* write for 360ng/dl and said all the right things like "treat the symptom, not the numbers" - so all in all, he's decent - just don't know how experienced with TRT since he did very minimal bloodwork and never mentioned an AI.
 
Would like to see estradiol levels. In most reports, its lower in subq vs IM which makes sense...less spiking.
 
The_Old_Guy said:
After 2 weeks (Four 50mg SubQ Injections) my doc did a blood draw - I'm pretty pleased:



This was on a Monday before my injection - so a 3 day trough. No AI and no breast sensitivity. He's an older dude, didn't pull RBC, Hematocrit, E2 Sensitive, or PSA, so I may run down to LabCor right after an injection to see what the peak is and pull that other stuff. I just need him for the Rx anyway.
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nice #s
 
The_Old_Guy said:
Yea - I was a bit worried as he was adamant that I do IM (yea, no thanks doc :D) and didn't want to deal with any additional mucking around. Like I said above, he's a guy in his 60's/70's? and one of those "Look at what the laptop says" Doc's. On the flip side, he *did* write for 360ng/dl and said all the right things like "treat the symptom, not the numbers" - so all in all, he's decent - just don't know how experienced with TRT since he did very minimal bloodwork and never mentioned an AI.
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Mine doesn't like to talk about an AI insisting that "if I do it right" I should not need one. And so far he has been right. As others have stated, would be very interested in seeing your e2 #s.
 
Admin said:
Would like to see estradiol levels. In most reports, its lower in subq vs IM which makes sense...less spiking.
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I'm going to do either the 'Hormone Panel for Males' ($176.49 - 15%) or the 'Male Anti-Aging Panel' since I'm playing around with DHEA ($286.99 -15%) so I'll have some E2 numbers later on. I'm guessing doing it at the peak would be best? If doing 50mg at 6AM Mon/6PM Thur, when is best time to draw?
 
The_Old_Guy said:
I'm going to do either the 'Hormone Panel for Males' ($176.49 - 15%) or the 'Male Anti-Aging Panel' since I'm playing around with DHEA ($286.99 -15%) so I'll have some E2 numbers later on. I'm guessing doing it at the peak would be best? If doing 50mg at 6AM Mon/6PM Thur, when is best time to draw?
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I recalled another TRT user mentioning that e2 spiked the day after injection, IIRC
kenpoengineer
 
The_Old_Guy said:
I'm going to do either the 'Hormone Panel for Males' ($176.49 - 15%) or the 'Male Anti-Aging Panel' since I'm playing around with DHEA ($286.99 -15%) so I'll have some E2 numbers later on. I'm guessing doing it at the peak would be best? If doing 50mg at 6AM Mon/6PM Thur, when is best time to draw?
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You can get total test, e2 and dhea for ~$117 (at a labcorp location when ordered through Private MD Labs)

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+ DHEA or DHEAS (if not taking the test in the morning)

The current 15% code is LPD345 (through Mar 31)
 
Sparkss said:
You can get total test, e2 and dhea for ~$117 (at a labcorp location when ordered through Private MD Labs)

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The current 15% code is LPD345 (through Mar 31)
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That's not a Sensitive E2 assay. That's the one I normally get, but my E2 comes back under 5 ? I want to have all that other stuff because I just think its a good idea to do once every couple years.
 
The_Old_Guy said:
That's not a Sensitive E2 assay. That's the one I normally get, but my E2 comes back under 5 �� I want to have all that other stuff because I just think its a good idea to do once every couple years.
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my e2 is always in the 20s ~ 30s. I do get the full panel yearly (PSA, CBC, CMP, Lipids) I get the hormone panel at least bi-annually + within a month after changing anything to do with my TRT dosage/dosing protocols.
 
The_Old_Guy said:
Oh you know it, brah! :D Keto deficit and just dropped protein to ~60-65g... that my djck is still working is a miracle :D
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Hmm, interesting. Wonder if Admin has also added exogenous testosterone to his keto protocol, might account for all his recent Invalid Link Removed¿
 
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