TRT negatives

Brain5ick

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So we are all familiar with the pros of TRT but what about cons? What have you had to do or preemptively had to do to keep your cholesterol, hemoglobin and hemocrit and other bloods and such in place so you can stay healthy? What’s the long term sustainability of TRT and how have you dealt with any negatives?
 
I personally think the biggest negative is the reduction in sperm count, which can be fixed to a degree with hcg, hmg, clomid etc. Testicular atrophy can also be an issue for some, but hcg would fix that as well. Personally, my bloodwork is pretty damn good despite my total test being at 1500ng/dl, but that will vary from person to person. I still donate blood occasionally, even though my hemaglobin and hematocrit have yet to go above normal.
 
If its legit trt (ie physician monitored), having bloods done can be a double-edged sword. Great that you are monitoring health markers; bit of a bummer you have to be very careful/mindful of blasts with a blood draw coming up.
 
So why have I heard that there are “dangerous levels of testosterone”? Just another question that comes up.
 
Also my doc said when I want to try for children he will put me on HCG or clomid, but should I see if I can get him to give me that from the start? Also an AI, he said I won’t need it yet but he will prescribe at a later time if I do need. I mean I already have Arimidex for cycles but this is just to show his thinking and methods. I THINK he will be starting me around 100mg per week. I know the shots are weekly because he does it 4 times for the first month in clinic then you get your own script for at home use.
 
My cholesterol improved after I was put on trt. I've been on for almost 2 years and all of my bloods are in the normal range. Hemo and rbc have remained good even after a cycle of 500mg of test.

I don't think the actual test from a trt level will affect your cholesterol as much as some anti estrogens you may have to take. But it stills come back to if you live a healthy lifestyle and eat properly you probably won't have many issues
 
Forgot to mention The ball shrinkage sucks, I'm not having anymore kids so I don't mind the less sperm count, but still the ball shrinkage sucks
 
Codybenz said:
Forgot to mention The ball shrinkage sucks, I'm not having anymore kids so I don't mind the less sperm count, but still the ball shrinkage sucks
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I’m going to try for another kid with the girl I’m with now, but we’ve been trying for about a year and can’t seem to conceive, I’m honestly hoping HCG can help with that especially since I am going on TRT. My test is low and I’m assuming my sperm count is low too because of a few injuries sustained while I was young.
 
Brain5ick said:
So why have I heard that there are “dangerous levels of testosterone”? Just another question that comes up.
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Low levels can be argued to be dangerous, ie unhealthy, as can "high"...depends on what is considered low or high. I think it fairly uncontentious that the higher your blood levels (esp once they start going supraphysiological) the risk factors increase. Particularly if these levels are your new "normal" longterm. Thats where the heart will tend to take the hit most, longterm when health markers are not "ideal".
 
Nac said:
Low levels can be argued to be dangerous, ie unhealthy, as can "high"...depends on what is considered low or high. I think it fairly uncontentious that the higher your blood levels (esp once they start going supraphysiological) the risk factors increase. Particularly if these levels are your new "normal" longterm. Thats where the heart will tend to take the hit most, longterm when health markers are not "ideal".
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So I’m guessing the danger associated with high T for long periods of time is more than likely the cholesterol, high BP and increased red blood cells?
 
What do you mean by "high" t?
Unless the TRT doc is shady, your test levels from TRT should not be "high"
 
It’s just a general question. I’ve heard people refer to high levels as “dangerous” but I figured it wasn’t the hormone but a side effect of higher t that could make it “dangerous”.
 
Your levels should never get to "dangerous high levels" on trt. TRT is what it says Replacement therapy. You should only
Be getting enough test to bring your range into the normal physiological range. 300-1100 ng/dl. Now most clinics aim to keep you on the higher end of that scale as that's were the most benefits for men are experienced.
 
Codybenz said:
Your levels should never get to "dangerous high levels" on trt. TRT is what it says Replacement therapy. You should only
Be getting enough test to bring your range into the normal physiological range. 300-1100 ng/dl. Now most clinics aim to keep you on the higher end of that scale as that's were the most benefits for men are experienced.
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Yes, of course! But if you were on a cycle and your test was at 3,000ng/dL what would make it “dangerous”? This is hypothetical of course. It’s just a question I haven’t really gotten an answer to lol.
 
Brain5ick said:
Yes, of course! But if you were on a cycle and your test was at 3,000ng/dL what would make it “dangerous”? This is hypothetical of course. It’s just a question I haven’t really gotten an answer to lol.
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Well you were talking about TRT originally now your talking about "cycles" which only last for a set number of weeks not long term so as not to have negative sides. But hypothetically if you were to stay on an eternal cycle of "high test" some issues you might run into are, rbc and hemoglobin count going too high, increased risk of gyno and other estrogen related sides as the more test you have the more estrogen it converts too, a lot of research says that test in and of itself will not effect cholesterol however all the anti estrogens you would need to take will cause hdl cholesterol to go too low. Also the more test the more dht you are going to have which means more hair loss and an enlarged prostate which then leads to other issues.

I'm sure there are many more just a few that come to mind.
 
Brain5ick said:
Yes, of course! But if you were on a cycle and your test was at 3,000ng/dL what would make it “dangerous”? This is hypothetical of course. It’s just a question I haven’t really gotten an answer to lol.
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If youre otherwise healthy then there is probably nothing acutely dangerous or unhealthy. Generally speaking, what makes supraphysiological levels like that dangerous is when these type of levels are sustained for longer periods. Or, the more often you have supraphysiological hormone levels, the greater the health risk (ie burden on the heart/CV system).

A supraphysiological level would likely only be acutely dangerous if you had some pre-existing condition or unnormal susceptibility. Otherwise, the danger to health would, again, be accumultive with use/exposure. How long til you hit the danger period? No way to foretell, as it would depend on the actual doses, the compounds, your particular reactions and biological makeup, genes, etc etc.
 
Nac said:
If youre otherwise healthy then there is probably nothing acutely dangerous or unhealthy. Generally speaking, what makes supraphysiological levels like that dangerous is when these type of levels are sustained for longer periods. Or, the more often you have supraphysiological hormone levels, the greater the health risk (ie burden on the heart/CV system).

A supraphysiological level would likely only be acutely dangerous if you had some pre-existing condition or unnormal susceptibility. Otherwise, the danger to health would, again, be accumultive with use/exposure. How long til you hit the danger period? No way to foretell, as it would depend on the actual doses, the compounds, your particular reactions and biological makeup, genes, etc etc.
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Awesome explanation! My doctor wants to get my levels up over time to be a steady 800-1000 since I’m so young, but I watched a video on gear from a mainstream online media channel and a guy said his T level was considered dangerous at 3,000ng/dL and he had been rushed to the hospital over it which sounded off to me. Anyways, that’s kinda what sparked the question.
 
I couldn't begin to imagine what Hulk Hogans T has been for the last 40 years.
 
Brain5ick said:
Awesome explanation! My doctor wants to get my levels up over time to be a steady 800-1000 since I’m so young, but I watched a video on gear from a mainstream online media channel and a guy said his T level was considered dangerous at 3,000ng/dL and he had been rushed to the hospital over it which sounded off to me. Anyways, that’s kinda what sparked the question.
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Rushed to the hospital solely due to his T level? Sounds unusual. Unless he was sent there to be monitored or have tests done...but even that sounds a little knee-jerky (if there were no other symptoms). Hard to comment on that without further details of his specific situation.
 
Nac said:
Rushed to the hospital solely due to his T level? Sounds unusual. Unless he was sent there to be monitored or have tests done...but even that sounds a little knee-jerky (if there were no other symptoms). Hard to comment on that without further details of his specific situation.
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Yeah, his wording didn’t really give a good direction on if it was due to other complications or his T tests alone.
 
Brain5ick said:
So I’m guessing the danger associated with high T for long periods of time is more than likely the cholesterol, high BP and increased red blood cells?
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This here. ^ ^
It’s either cardiac issues, or drop dead from a pulmonary embolism from viscous blood.

Both preventable to a large degree though.
 
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