TRT & Estrogen

Hyde said:
I have no experience with AG, but worth making a separate thread in the male anti-aging. Some helpful guys in there.

Long Jack extract or stinging nettle are options you might explore on your own concerning helping raise free test. I'd try long Jack (tongkat ali) first if you decide to try incorporating a supp, but I'd first see what the doc thinks concerning all this.
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The doc says he wants to send me back to the endo and get more advise, before moving to the shots, cuz I quote "I don't want to totally shut you down at 36". My response was "TRT is for life, and I'm already shut down, but I'm cool with going back to the endo first"..... However, that usually takes like 2 weeks. So for the time being its typical TRT at 4 to 5 pumps a day. I would really like to start 200mg shots every two weeks and be done with it. I may push that so I can move on from the gel!
 
TRT & Estrogen

Brick Tannen said:
Ok, well I didn't get the hard copies but I did get a phone call. Everything came back low, but in normal ranges, except my free test. (Tested was e1,e2, ultra sensitive e, tt, ft, sbhg,). FT was super low at 3ng/ml (even on 4 pumps a day of TRT). Wtf?!? Weird thing is, I don't feel that bad. All the e-related sides are gone, and workouts have been good. Just wondering why the AG has become not effective at all?!? Any body with AG experience?
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Did you apply androgen 2 hrs before having your blood drawn or before the test at all that morning?

Edit what was you total t to e2 ratio?
 
SweetLou321 said:
Did you apply androgen 2 hrs before having your blood drawn or before the test at all that morning?

Edit what was you total t to e2 ratio?
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I did not apply it the morning of the test. Labs were taken at 11:00am. I have also been doing 2 or 3 pumps after am shower and 2 pumps after pm shower. Im thinking that's not working, cuz that's also when I seen a decline in lab results. I'm wondering if their isn't enough conversion at 2 to 3 pumps.

I also do not have the Total T to E ratio. I'll get paper copies at my consult.
 
Brick Tannen said:
I did not apply it the morning of the test. Labs were taken at 11:00am. I have also been doing 2 or 3 pumps after am shower and 2 pumps after pm shower. Im thinking that's not working, cuz that's also when I seen a decline in lab results. I'm wondering if their isn't enough conversion at 2 to 3 pumps.

I also do not have the Total T to E ratio. I'll get paper copies at my consult.
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We have the issue. Always apply morning of dose of transdermal hormones or take oral hormones about 2 hrs before labs. They take about 2 hrs to peak. So you effectively went probably close to 12 or more hrs with no hormones. So levels would be expected to be low. I'd retest on androgel before dropping it and do your am pumps 2 hrs before draw.
 
SweetLou321 said:
We have the issue. Always apply morning of dose of transdermal hormones or take oral hormones about 2 hrs before labs. They take about 2 hrs to peak. So you effectively went probably close to 12 or more hrs with no hormones. So levels would be expected to be low. I'd retest on androgel before dropping it and do your am pumps 2 hrs before draw.
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I was under the impression that AG was not a fast acting "ester" per say. Meaning if I have been taking it for years, it shouldn't clear the blood stream in 12 hours. But your point is valid, and makes me think. I will have to do some more digging on AG, half life, etc. Thanks bro!
 
Brick Tannen said:
I was under the impression that AG was not a fast acting "ester" per say. Meaning if I have been taking it for years, it shouldn't clear the blood stream in 12 hours. But your point is valid, and makes me think. I will have to do some more digging on AG, half life, etc. Thanks bro!
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I work for a company that deals with hormone blood work daily. So I'd look around, look for peak values, I'd retest.
 
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