TRT and Alpha feeling
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bighulksmash
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Well I wasn't sure about it , if after this pct break I don't return to normal then ill have to hop on . I was placed on pain meds some years back and the doc thinks that might be the cause ... it fluctuates from 600's to 40's every few months even if iam on cycle or not .
Gutterpump
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It's because more and more people are acting like little girls.
Jkluv u all
Lol I was lucky enough to have both a vericocele and a pituitary microadenoma... fml lol
Gutterpump
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Oh wow that's a huge fluctuation. Mine was stuck at ~310 no matter what I tried.
BamBam0319
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Ohhhh ouch. Glad you're doing okay
bighulksmash
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I will be interested to see what the fakkin problem is that's causing it . my doc said my pituitary gland releases massive amounts of lh and fsh then shuts itself off . its a rare condition so iam kind excited to see what comes out of it ! also Chantix may have played a role in modifying me some how . but the modification chats will stay quiet lol I don't need anyone calling me the xfiles guy !
Gutterpump
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Thanks, I won't lie, it was tough when finding out... Two stress filled years of trying to up my test before starting TRT. But it was the stress of living with low-ish test in my 20s that really got me. I feel like I wasted those years. Wasn't till my 30s till I requested copies of my labs for myself. Doctors really don't want to treat if you're "in range" even if it's bottom of the range. For a while, my original urologist labeled me as "drug seeking" (testosterone seeking) in my notes. Total bull****, I would've preferred to up my test naturally. I had to start with an anti-aging clinic before other doctors started to take me seriously.
datsthat
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Chronic Opiate pain medicine usage will reduce your test over time. That's why I am on TRT.
Are you taking any on a regular basis?
bighulksmash
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Nope been of since 2011. But it still effecting me.
datsthat
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Good for you. My usage caused secondary hypogonadalism (sp?).
Took me about 5 years to feel "normal" after quitting opiates
bighulksmash
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It sucks but i guess 5 broken ribs a broken leg 3 bulged disc was enough to convince me i needed em ... iam just glad its all over with and iam off em for good . Trt seems to be more common for us younger guys . Ill b 32 soon .
datsthat
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Ouch. I also started due to injury but not as bad as yours. Mine as sprained ankle from bball.
I was against TRT at first because life long commitment of bi weekly shots and side effects of TRT medications and tissue damage from frequent injections and......last but not least, will open door to AAS.
Now, no more major concerns and looking forward to first blast.
bighulksmash
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Zweet ! My injury was a car accident in which my side was tboned . Woke up in the road with blood all over me and no vision in right eye. Iam almost 100% 4 yrs later . Trt woud be a chance to get back to where I was b4 the accident. My test fluctuates regularly no mattwr what cycle im on last week test was 621 . 3 weeks prior it waa 43 . Im only using xstane 25 ed and clomid at 100mgs.
C Dub805
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No need to apologize brother! It's all good.
datsthat
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Could you fluctuation be due to your car accident? Maybe that accident damaged you more than you know it.
Fluctuations that much is a hormonal rollacoster....sounds like my wife as she can be moody, not saying your a girl.
bighulksmash
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it only affects me when i get mad . i dont get emo at all i get angry and have rage fits . it has no effect on my libido or strength . i dont get moody at all something has to piss me off for me to get like that . just got off the phone with doctor . ive never been "labeled" for seeking test so he is willing to give me a few shots next week . ive done test cycles b4 and many other cycles . whats making me curious is why would my pituitary gland make that much test then shut off and drop back down to double digits ?
datsthat
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Your doc going to give you few shots and then what? raise your test and then let it drop?
Sounds like you have secondary hypogonadism, but that's ONLY a guess from someone that doesn't much of anything. so take that with big ass grain of salt.
keep me/us updated on your progress.
bighulksmash
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i will update definitely update i have an appt in 5 days for my first shot of cyp 400 .
datsthat
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bighulksmash
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Idky but he originally said 400 every 2 weeks so i think thats just to get me going .
Iv3 done test prop at 750 for 12 weeks so i know that ON feeling been off test since i hit a nerve in my quad. I cant reach my glutes or my delts so ill have to have nurse ram jam do it lol
datsthat
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sounds like your doc is willing to help you out but I've never heard of preloading with that much for TRT. I am much smaller than you, but my doc give me 160mg for 1st shot and then 100mg until next bloodwork.
I pin my quads mostly. I've tried VG, but don't do it often. I plan on VG, but next thing I know pin is in my quad. I also don't aspirate. I just got some test prop to try, only pinned once so far because of issues with it (not sure if I can explain what the issue is on this forum).
Soon, one day I will feel that "ON" feeling that I've heard so much about.
I've done my glutes but PIP is uncool because I can't keep still while twisting.
I've also don't delts, but only with HCG and it left a little bump for a day or so. I am kinda weird because I enjoy HCG when its cold straight out of the fridge. I like the sensation of that coldness going in.
Not sure if this will help or not, but it helps if you sit down and put your arm that your gonna pin between your legs and twist so that your delt is essentially in in between your chest
nurse ram jam...lol....hopefully shes cute not that non cute nurses are no good
bighulksmash
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sounds like your doc is willing to help you out but I've never heard of preloading with that much for TRT. I am much smaller than you, but my doc give me 160mg for 1st shot and then 100mg until next bloodwork.
I pin my quads mostly. I've tried VG, but don't do it often. I plan on VG, but next thing I know pin is in my quad. I also don't aspirate. I just got some test prop to try, only pinned once so far because of issues with it (not sure if I can explain what the issue is on this forum).
Soon, one day I will feel that "ON" feeling that I've heard so much about.
I've done my glutes but PIP is uncool because I can't keep still while twisting.
I've also don't delts, but only with HCG and it left a little bump for a day or so. I am kinda weird because I enjoy HCG when its cold straight out of the fridge. I like the sensation of that coldness going in.
Not sure if this will help or not, but it helps if you sit down and put your arm that your gonna pin between your legs and twist so that your delt is essentially in in between your chest
nurse ram jam...lol....hopefully shes cute not that non cute nurses are no good
hell yeah ram jam better be fine as f or ill bail !
I will be running dbol along side the test after a few weeks its been so long since i pinned . its time to hop back in !
iam doing a comp in april ! hopefully iam up to par . as in totally ripped!
datsthat
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I know you already know this......Just be careful with other substances while you are trying to get dialed in TRT.
I'd like to try dbol in future.
Good for you for competing. You can do some serious gains by April.
Make sure you get your shot before you bail lol
bighulksmash
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yes . the shot is a must . while your on trt , is there anything else you run as a staple ?
datsthat
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My stapes used to be E9, but since I started TRT, I quit all supplements except any obligations that I have.
How long did test prop take before you felt something fishy going on?
bighulksmash
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Week 3-4 it hits me like a freight train. By week 6-7 iam hitting pr's . Week 12 im shaking cuzi dont wanna come off . Iam glad i found the mens section ! I used to be on other forums but I won't say which . Those ones sucked. AM is king!
kisaj
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Jesus. No offense, but your doctor is a damn moron. You are in for a hell of a time with that plan.
bighulksmash
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Hes fairly new . I may just ask for a clomid restart or something similar. I dont wanna be labeled ya know. So many people are advising me against it . I may just tell em to screw off! And do a clomid restart my self.
C Dub805
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He's fairly new?!! All the more reason to immediately terminate your relationship with him! You don't want to be his guinea pig.
C Dub805
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He's fairly new?!?! All the more reason to immediately terminate your relationship with him! You don't want to be his guinea pig!
bighulksmash
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I appreciate this guys !!! I have mild knowledge of cycling . And not sure why my t is bouncing around when iam off cycle.
C Dub805
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If you're on TRT you are not cycling; you are on an established dosage of testosterone every week, in addition to any other supplements and hormones your doc has you on to bring hormonal balance: DHEA, preg, vit D, etc etc
bighulksmash
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Im going to ask him to try clomid . No pituitary tumors. Mri states .
C Dub805
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You stated, "when I am off cycle." So, are you on TRT or are you cycling testosterone? If you are cycling testosterone, naturally when you come off testosterone and you don't take measures to restore your own natural production (post cycle therapy) you're likely going to experience these types of yo-yo effect issues.
bighulksmash
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I have cycled testosterone in the past year . Iam not currently or never have been on trt . I have done pharma clomid at recommended doses. Test goes up in the 700s then declines rapidly to double digits . That was wat drew me to see the urologist. I have always done atleast 4 weeks pct , i have however bridged ph's when i had almost no knowledge of how to . That was in 2008 . There was a car accident 4 yrs ago . Opiates were in the picture im not sure if that matters . I appreciate your help everyone. I would love to solve this with out trt.
C Dub805
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Ah ok.....making more sense now. Opiates can wreak havoc on your system!
bighulksmash
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I never liked taking them i had dry heaves and i kept telling the doc but he wanted to keep giving me the same shyt . On day i just decided screw this id rather try LISS and strengthening exercises. Low and behold 6 months later i was fine! After almost 3 years u would think the dry heaves and rashes would stop . Nope!
C Dub805
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My man!
datsthat
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Maybe it s for all of your cycles? I don't say that tone a dick
bighulksmash
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Either way im in pct until im fixed no more cycles until next year. Like 8/16.
What u mean tone a dick? Like do dick exercises? Hah
datsthat
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My phone must think I can speak English because auto correct is running overtime.
I meant to say "I don't say that to be a dick."
bighulksmash
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Good laugh happens to me when iam driving.
Panda40
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Man! Six weeks flew by. Probably cuz my family has more drama than a reality show could handle. Anyway I'm just posting an update here because I feel I owe you at least that. I'm tired of exogenous testosterone so I'm trying the "natural" approach. I'm doing my own test of three of the alleged "best" testosterone boosters on the market. The first was HCGenerate. I'm not going to go by how I feel. I'm using results from blood tests. I had my blood drawn on 10/20/15 at Quest Diagnostics. My total testosterone was 215 and my free was 36.6. I started taking HCGenerate that evening. The first week I took twice the recommended dosage on the bottle (10 caps daily 5 A.M. - 5 P.M.). After that I dropped down to 6 caps daily (3 A.M. - 3 P.M.). I had my blood drawn again on 12/11/15. My total testosterone was (drumroll, please) a whopping 217 and my free was an astounding 38.0.
I must say that I am not impressed with my results from taking HCGenerate. I'm giving it a one on a scale from 1 - 5. Now I'm moving on to Test Stack No. 17. The problem I initially had with it is the proprietary blend thing. Both Test Stack no.17 and Phytoserms 347x list their ingredients as proprietary blends. That's why they were both yanked from Amazon for a while. The proprietary blend thing makes it look like they have something to hide. Now I realize that, yes, they do have something to hide. However there is nothing nefarious about it at all. They just want to keep the exact percentage of each ingredient secret. I get it. Besides, HCGenerate lists the exact amounts of each ingredient on their label. However, from my experience, the label may or may not be all that good a guide.
Anyway, as I said, I'm on to TS No. 17. I'll let you know how it goes if you're interested.
C Dub805
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The vast majority of "natural" testosterone boosters on the market are complete BS! But, since people fall for the BS touted by these supplement companies, there will be a demand and a profitable venture to supply this demand. It baffles me how so many people fall for this nonsense and spend the equivalent to if not more on this crap than what actual testosterone would cost them. I understand that you and many others want to pursue the "natural" path towards increasing your testosterone levels, but how is taking anything, in effect exogenous, natural? Does your body produce these herbs and/or brassinosteroids that are purported to increase testosterone levels? Testosterone is a bio-identical hormone - your body produces it. So, injecting actual pharmaceutical grade testosterone is far more "natural" in my opinion than consuming all these purported "natural" testosterone boosters of which you have no idea as to the actual contents due to the fact this industry isn't regulated.
Panda40
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Now, you make an excellent point. Like this HCGENERATE for example. I don't REALLY know what's in each capsule. I used it last year and, while I had no bloods to confirm actual results, I did feel a little boost from it. I actually have many containers of Androgel at home because I stopped using it but I did use it. That's how I know about the mood lift that an increase in my T levels gives me. My most recent use of HCGenerate only left me feeling lighter... in my wallet. I'm thinking they must have changed the formula.
I'm also doing this "test" because of my cynical nature. I also belive "natural testosterone boosters" are crap. If it were natural, I wouldn't have to do anything. My natural T Level is low. So, by default, I'm trying to do something UNnatural by trying to raise it. I would just prefer to take a non pharmaceutical route that's all. I am finding, however, THAT route is much more challenging and inconsistent. But I like a challenge so... Onward with my research!
I'm also doing this "test" because of my cynical nature. I also belive "natural testosterone boosters" are crap. If it were natural, I wouldn't have to do anything. My natural T Level is low. So, by default, I'm trying to do something UNnatural by trying to raise it. I would just prefer to take a non pharmaceutical route that's all. I am finding, however, THAT route is much more challenging and inconsistent. But I like a challenge so... Onward with my research!
C Dub805
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Exactly! It just baffles me how so many people invest countless hours of their time trying to figure out a method of supplementation to increase their naturally low testosterone levels when the solution to the issue at hand is very easily resolved by simply taking a conservative dosing protocol of actual injectable testosterone akin to a TRT protocol. After all, if your levels are naturally in the gutter and you are age appropriate then why would you not want to be on TRT? I hear guys worrying about permanent shut down blah blah yet these same guys have very low, in the gutter levels to begin with! So now we have a bunch of guys spending hundreds on this supplement and that supplement chasing the objective of increasing their levels "naturally" and placing all this faith in these "natural" supplements i.e. herbs etc which really do nothing! And anyone who denies the power of the placebo effect is a moron! There are countless clinical studies on this - the mind is extremely powerful!
Panda40
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Yes. The mind is powerful indeed. Like the testimonials where the victim - er - customer says, "it made my T skyrocket! I was more aggressive in the gym and I was chasing tail like a teenager!". Yeah. That sounds like real scientific evidence alright. No placebo effect at all there.
I don't discount all herbal supplements, though. I know some are legit. At least for me they are. If I ever get a cold, goldenseal always dries up my runny nose every bit as well as any over-the-counter antihistamine. It may not work as quickly but there's no rebound effect. I've also discovered astragalus. If I take that immediately at the onset of any cold symptoms, I'm feeling fine and cold free within four days tops. That's why I like herbal (or vitamin/mineral) remedies or treatment. I avoid the rebound effect as well as any unwanted side effects. You know, beta blocker blood pressure meds can cause a bit of softness in an area where a man needs hardness. Also, you get a blood pressure spike if you were to stop the med abruptly. With the "natural" way it works when you take it and it stops working when you stop. Simple. I suppose that I'm not the only one thinking this way.
I don't discount all herbal supplements, though. I know some are legit. At least for me they are. If I ever get a cold, goldenseal always dries up my runny nose every bit as well as any over-the-counter antihistamine. It may not work as quickly but there's no rebound effect. I've also discovered astragalus. If I take that immediately at the onset of any cold symptoms, I'm feeling fine and cold free within four days tops. That's why I like herbal (or vitamin/mineral) remedies or treatment. I avoid the rebound effect as well as any unwanted side effects. You know, beta blocker blood pressure meds can cause a bit of softness in an area where a man needs hardness. Also, you get a blood pressure spike if you were to stop the med abruptly. With the "natural" way it works when you take it and it stops working when you stop. Simple. I suppose that I'm not the only one thinking this way.
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