Trestolone Acetate (Ment)- Desperately Looking for Some Knowledge Before I Start!

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I picked up some injectable Trestolone Acetate in sterile oil and I'm planning to start a short, low-dose, sub-q cycle in November (3 months away). I know this is some powerful stuff with the possibility of some major, hard-to-manage sides so I'm looking to gain as much info as I can well ahead of time. I'm 50 years old, on TRT, 190lbs, blast-n-cruise Test Cyp occasionally, but this would be my first AAS cycle after much experimentation with SARMS and compounds such as LGD,RAD,MK,YK11,etc. I have a doctor prescribed AI on hand and thinking about keeping this first cycle short and dosed low.... like maybe 6 weeks at 23mg EOD (I have 500mg total). Yeah...not the best AAS for a first cycle...I know. I would definitely choose something different but this is the only one that I can find and legally purchase. So, I bought it and now I'm gonna go for it in November after I bounce back from this SARMS/compound run that I'm on now. Any advice to help me do this safely would be very appreciated. Thanks in advance.
 

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I love trest. Make sure you have some raloxefine on hand. Ai s won't always cut it if you start getting gyno from trest but ralox knocks it out quick plus it's cheap. Also 23 mgs eod is not really a low dose. I know you see post with guys running 25mgs-50mgs a day but it's probably not needed stuff is strong if it's legit. I'm running 5mgs a day and it's noticeable and I use to run a gram a week of test so it's not like I'm new to this. I need ralox and prami on anything over 5mgs some don't. So your looking at 11.5mgs a day you should notice it in days if it's legit trest. For me 10mgs a day would be stronger then 500mgs more test plus it acts way quicker. Strength goes up in two or three days for me. Lol. So yeah make sure you have ralox and some prami or caber in case then enjoy the ride. Trest also makes you feel great.
 
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Im close to 50yo myself, and theres no way Im touching these high-risk compounds anymore. I can absolutely understand the allure they have, but if you take a step back and look at things in terms of "what can I achieve in the next 5 years?" rather than "how jacked can I look over the next 3 months?" you realise that maybe youll get where you want to be, as long as its reasonable, running less deliterious PEDs.
 

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It's not hard on lipids or anything like that. Only real problem with it is it aromatizes very easily in some. So it should be relativley safe health wise. So it's not like a tren or strong oral where health markers will get out of whack. It is very supressive but if your on hrit shouldn't be a concern. Id imagine if you held a lot of water it cold spike blood pressure. But once again a little goes along way. I think most run way more then they need.
 
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I would start super low as finding out you cannot control the estrogen(methyl estrogen to boot) will not be as disastrous on 5-10mg/day vs 25+. Conversely you may find you get a great response at the "low" dose and thus can use less and have a greater supply on had than you realized.

I agree on having a SERM on hand.
 
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I’ve heard it’s wrecked some guys lipids but I didn’t check mine when ran it for about a month at the start of this blast.

I brought my test e down to 90mg/wk (3 shots of 30mg) and pinned 10-15mg Trest Ace daily to try to better manage estrogen (eod shots would mean bigger spikes in exposure, which is more anabolic but brings higher sides), along with 200mg primo e shot once a week. I needed 11mg Exemestane twice a week I think, maybe 3x even, which is a lot for me.

So about 400 total mg (105mg Trest Ace per week) and I got much stronger really quite fast. Blood pressure definitely shot up fast too - it’s an intense drug.

I would use 100mg P5P twice a day (200/day) to help prevent any prolactin issues, have your AI ready as well as Ralox on hand, and have extra blood pressure medication too.

As an aside, for some people I’ve heard it kinda ruins your libido when you discontinue it. I only used it for maybe a month, and my libido definitely disappeared entirely for several weeks. Not just sex drive, but ability to really enjoy an orgasm if I would force myself to try. So that is definitely a real potential side to face - as well as a hardcore libido when on. That sounds nice initially, but it can be a really serious distraction.
 
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Trestolone is a risky young man's steroid. It definitely works, it's pretty strong but it's not going to do something miraculous that makes it worth the risk.

It creates more estrogen then any other steroid and it's methyl estrogen at that. It's a double whammy of estrogen and prolactin.

Very high risk of gyno, very high possiblity of blood pressure problems, very high risk of extreme water retention.

Now on the other hand, guys that don't get those side effects love the stuff. But the over 40 crowd should stay away. There's just nothing special enough about it to make it worth the risks.
 

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Thank you all for your advice....I'm learning a lot. Here's what I'm hearing: Most would suggest to stay away from Trestolone Ace (Ment) especially at my age because the sides make it too risky...methyl estrogen being the biggest problem. If I do run it, then dose it low....like maybe even start at 5mg every day to see how it goes. Be ready with my AI (Anastrozole), Raloxefene, P5P (to avoid prolactin issues), extra blood pressure meds, maybe a diuretic, maybe even a little pramipexole or cabergoline (I have no experience with either). Sound about right? I'm definitely worried about controlling the methyl estrogen, prolactin, and the libido crash afterwards.

Questions:
1. Can I pin this subcutaneously or does it have to be intramuscular? What would the difference be?
2. I'm thinking about not running a test base with this to lessen estrogen conversion. What do you think?
3. If all goes well, how long should I run it? Is 6 weeks long enough? And, should I increase the dose during the cycle?
4. Is there anything that I can take that targets just the methyl-estrogen? Does the Raloxefene do this?

What else can you tell me about Trestolone Acetate....or the experiences you've had with it? I need all the good, bad, and ugly. I'm stubborn and stupid and will probably still experiment with Trest in November (though I respect and appreciate all those saying Don't Do it) so I want to make sure I'm prepared. I'll log my experience to help others and maybe to give some an I Told You So opportunity :).
 
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A lot of sillyness in this thread, but also several experienced members sharing their input. May need to scroll through a little to find the informative posts. Or just enjoy the shenanigans aswell.
 
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A lot of sillyness in this thread, but also several experienced members sharing their input. May need to scroll through a little to find the informative posts. Or just enjoy the shenanigans aswell.
Here's a trestolone trainwreck.
 
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Here's the reason I say ment/trestolone is a bad idea.

We all take steroids here, steroids are drugs of sorts and we have some other drugs like serms and ai and blood pressure meds ect. Even dopamine drugs like prami and caber.

Now a intelligent cycle involves a steroid or steroids that we tolerate well and don't get side effects from, but we keep things on hand to use to manage sides only if we have to use them. Normally a very low dose ai or serm will be benificial without too much damage.

Now insert ment/trestolone, for the large majority of ppl it's the total opposite of what we're looking for in terms of a intelligent cycle.

You might need a ai, serm and caber/prami just to use a low dose, probably going to need a blood pressure med or angiotensin receptor blocker.

You need like 3 or 4 additional drugs just to use a low dose of 1 drug that dosent offer much greater results than a drug you could have used with no side effects or extra drugs to control side effects.

Get where I'm going with this
 
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Try 5 mg a day. And work your way up, and if you can't handle 100 mg a week without taking a bunch of extra drugs to handle the side effects I would ditch the cycle. Do you really want to have to use four drugs to handle the side effects of one other drug at 100 mg a week
 

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5 mgs is what I use because iits the highest dose I can go with without ralox. I think it's a good add on and super cheap at that dose. Plus I think it will surprise people how strong it is even at 5mgs.
 
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5 mgs is what I use because iits the highest dose I can go with without ralox. I think it's a good add on and super cheap at that dose. Plus I think it will surprise people how strong it is even at 5mgs.
And that's another good point, if someone has good benifits and no side effects at 5-10mg per day that's probably a cool add on because that dose is going to be super cheap to run
 
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Don’t use prami. Just don’t. Awful sides. I am pretty sensitive to 19-Nors and I don’t need Caber on 100mg/wk of Trest if I use P5P, so I would say avoid those 2 drugs entirely. Caber is great to use, but it can still cause dopamine agonist withdrawal syndrome when you stop it. And it will increase tendency for addiction to anything. Porn, sex, gambling, food, anything that raises dopamine will be more enjoyable on it - and worse off it.
 
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Don’t use prami. Just don’t. Awful sides. I am pretty sensitive to 19-Nors and I don’t need Caber on 100mg/wk of Trest if I use P5P, so I would say avoid those 2 drugs entirely. Caber is great to use, but it can still cause dopamine agonist withdrawal syndrome when you stop it. And it will increase tendency for addiction to anything. Porn, sex, gambling, food, anything that raises dopamine will be more enjoyable on it - and worse off it.
On pramipexole or caber I'm a degenerate gambling fool lol. I like to gamble as is but it's magnified x 10
 
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Oddly enough that's the only side effect I get from pramipexole, caber makes me feel sick
 

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No sides at all for me on prami so I never mind running it. I don't run it very high though. Was at .4 mgs because I'm on trest omand added mk677. Ran out and waiting for more. No daws or anything at that dose for me.
 
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No sides at all for me on prami so I never mind running it. I don't run it very high though. Was at .4 mgs because I'm on trest omand added mk677. Ran out and waiting for more. No daws or anything at that dose for me.
Just remember that there's long term accumulative effects of these drugs that are really crappy and if I'm not mistaken some are irreversible. I too don't get sides from prami other then the gambling thing gets worse, but I know there's long term consequences if you overuse it so I try to avoid it. Always try the B6/p5p route first
 

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Thanks everyone for all the great advice, knowledge, warnings, and suggestions....and also for that Trest Ace AM discussion link. I'm ordering the Raloxifene, stocking up on my AI, picking up some P5P, really hoping not to need prami or caber, and will be treating this AAS with extreme respect and caution....starting at 5mg or maybe even less per day. If my body can't handle this amount or I need the prami or caber, then I'll probably just abort and stick with my test blasts. Otherwise, I'm aiming for a short cycle of 5-6 weeks and hoping for the best. In case you're interested in how this goes, I'll start a new discussion to log my experience....I'm thinking late October or early November. In the meantime, if anyone has anything more to add about running Trestolone Acetate (Ment), I'd like to hear it. Thanks again!
 
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Questions:
1. Can I pin this subcutaneously or does it have to be intramuscular? What would the difference be?
2. I'm thinking about not running a test base with this to lessen estrogen conversion. What do you think?
3. If all goes well, how long should I run it? Is 6 weeks long enough? And, should I increase the dose during the cycle?
4. Is there anything that I can take that targets just the methyl-estrogen? Does the Raloxefene do this?

What else can you tell me about Trestolone Acetate....or the experiences you've had with it? I need all the good, bad, and ugly. I'm stubborn and stupid and will probably still experiment with Trest in November (though I respect and appreciate all those saying Don't Do it) so I want to make sure I'm prepared. I'll log my experience to help others and maybe to give some an I Told You So opportunity :).
+1 lover of Trest. Its hands down my all-time favorite.

I disagree with almost all of the negative input in this thread. everyone forgets its likely one of the most studied modern steroids. even better it's been studied in humans and not just animal models. everyone is so scared of this stuff yet it's a lot like other steroids in that it's a pretty benign drug in the first place.
all steroids have certain risks. this one offers most of them. But still, so does anadrol or SD for that matter.
methyl estrogen sucks, but not if you're on top of estrogen management. would you rather take a toxic methylated oral that makes you feel like ****, or something that you have to manage estro sides but makes you feel like an amazing 17 yr old again? ppppppppffft feck, I know what I would choose at my age. oh did I mention, that I am 50? did I mention that I am currently using topical trest? did I mention that I am in the worst shape of my life? did I mention that trest is so feel good that I literally have 0 feks to give about all the complaints in this thread?

1. I wouldn't pin it sub q as it's an ace and has nice short half-life. most wouldn't even pin EOD but I have done daily and eod pins and trest delivers either way. sub-q will slow dispersion down to a trickle and imo defeating the purpose of an acetate.
2. trest is tests evil brother. (think of the scene in the movie animal house with the angel and devil talking in the guys ear...)
trest is the devil and makes you a bit more mischievous. your libido will skyrocket and unlike pretty much any other steroid it doesn't effect ones ability to achieve rock hard boners to go with the high libido. that all being said test will do nothing to offset or help the estrogen via aromatization. your AI will do that and if you are a heavy aromatizer you may have to use a SERM during your cycle as some have pointed out. your AI may or may not keep up.
3. I would run it at 25 mgs EOD until you run out. > intramuscular/ injected in the am.
4. a SERM will still take up the receptor sight and if it's a problem for you, it's just a matter of waiting on the body to excrete it. that's the one problem with methyl estrogen, it has a monster half-life, this is why you keep up with your AI in the first place. it will keep aromatization low and thus help keep the methyl estrogen lower as well. I mentioned that if it's a problem FOR YOU.
that's because some of us, like myself, don't have many sides from it. I get worse sides from fricken halodrol than I do trest!

the thing is... you are not re-inventing the universe by using this compound. go in with your head on a swivel. be on the look out for side effects and knock em out with the proper ancillary drugs/supps and you will be just fine. even if everything starts to go south. you can just stop taking it and it will clear out in a very short time. (Remember it's an acetate)

FFS the scare tactics and fear porn that everyone employs to would-be trest users is ridiculous! just stop already.
 
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Wow...thanks xR1pp3Rx! VERY INTERESTING! I definitely appreciate your somewhat opposing take on it and also addressing the unanswered questions. Great to hear such a good experience and one from an old-fart like me! Man, I sure hope I respond to it as you do. I never would have thought that SubQ would slow the dispersion rate down that much compared to IM....but, yep that does makes a lot of sense!!! Okay, IM it is....thanks for the tip!

Yeah, the acetate seemed like the smarter purchase over the decanoate....at least for me since I don't know what to expect. I think the decanoate has a half-life of somewhere around a week. Could be good....or could be a long time dealing with sides.

I've got some more questions that I haven't yet asked because they might be stupid ones. But, here it goes anyway...now's the time to ask right?
  1. I'm planning to start off right away taking my AI (Anastrozole) but should I also take the SERM (Raloxifene) maybe low-dose right a couple days in....or wait for the early warning signs? Hate to crash my E right from the start...but also want to get in front of the Estrogen rocket ride.
  2. What early warning signs of rising E do YOU get? For me...the first sign of my estrogen rising is an itchy back between my shoulder blades, then bigger sausages on my nips, then crazy itchy back acne especially after a shower, then itchy sensitive nips...in that order. I don't feel the emotions too much like others talk about. I really screwed up once but I learned a lot from it...now have an AI on hand, and now know the signs. During this time, when my blood tests came back, my doc said that my estrogen was higher than any pregnant women he had every seen. Testosterone was somewhere approaching 2000 and estrogen was 600something. (I don't remember the units of measure). Everything went back to normal but the itchy acne took the longest. I was running a big blast of test along with a bunch of crap....RAD, LGD, YK11, MK677.....but...no AI like a dummy. Luckily I didn't get any gyno.
  3. Are Methyl-Estrogen pre-gyno early warning signs any different than those of regular E2?
  4. Can you feel the difference between prolactin increasing and estrogen increasing? Do they feel different? I mean, I know with the prolactin if I'm making man-milk and I can't get it up....but, I mean before all that.
Stupid questions...I know. Just trying to learn how to catch and target the foreseeable problems early and be safe. :)
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1. personally I would not use a SERM unless there are issues. an AI sounds like it will be enough if you didn't give yourself a set of tits on the aforementioned stack, then, this should be a breeze.
2. I find the first thing I notice is my nips. they start to itch and I know its time to get that AI in play. I really cant stress enough, don't itch or play with your tits. leave em alone.
3. no they will both present exactly the same way.
4. yes. if you start to experience puffy nips its a good sign your you're letting it get away from you. I don't find it to be an issue with trest until you start stacking nor-tests. adding tren or nandrolone will make this a primary concern in some. in others not so much. just take your p5p or inhibit-p and you will probably have your bases covered. keep drugs on hand but dont use them unless the inhibit-p cant cut it.
 

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+1 lover of Trest. Its hands down my all-time favorite.

I disagree with almost all of the negative input in this thread. everyone forgets its likely one of the most studied modern steroids. even better it's been studied in humans and not just animal models. everyone is so scared of this stuff yet it's a lot like other steroids in that it's a pretty benign drug in the first place.
all steroids have certain risks. this one offers most of them. But still, so does anadrol or SD for that matter.
methyl estrogen sucks, but not if you're on top of estrogen management. would you rather take a toxic methylated oral that makes you feel like ****, or something that you have to manage estro sides but makes you feel like an amazing 17 yr old again? ppppppppffft feck, I know what I would choose at my age. oh did I mention, that I am 50? did I mention that I am currently using topical trest? did I mention that I am in the worst shape of my life? did I mention that trest is so feel good that I literally have 0 feks to give about all the complaints in this thread?

1. I wouldn't pin it sub q as it's an ace and has nice short half-life. most wouldn't even pin EOD but I have done daily and eod pins and trest delivers either way. sub-q will slow dispersion down to a trickle and imo defeating the purpose of an acetate.
2. trest is tests evil brother. (think of the scene in the movie animal house with the angel and devil talking in the guys ear...)
trest is the devil and makes you a bit more mischievous. your libido will skyrocket and unlike pretty much any other steroid it doesn't effect ones ability to achieve rock hard boners to go with the high libido. that all being said test will do nothing to offset or help the estrogen via aromatization. your AI will do that and if you are a heavy aromatizer you may have to use a SERM during your cycle as some have pointed out. your AI may or may not keep up.
3. I would run it at 25 mgs EOD until you run out. > intramuscular/ injected in the am.
4. a SERM will still take up the receptor sight and if it's a problem for you, it's just a matter of waiting on the body to excrete it. that's the one problem with methyl estrogen, it has a monster half-life, this is why you keep up with your AI in the first place. it will keep aromatization low and thus help keep the methyl estrogen lower as well. I mentioned that if it's a problem FOR YOU.
that's because some of us, like myself, don't have many sides from it. I get worse sides from fricken halodrol than I do trest!

the thing is... you are not re-inventing the universe by using this compound. go in with your head on a swivel. be on the look out for side effects and knock em out with the proper ancillary drugs/supps and you will be just fine. even if everything starts to go south. you can just stop taking it and it will clear out in a very short time. (Remember it's an acetate)

FFS the scare tactics and fear porn that everyone employs to would-be trest users is ridiculous! just stop already.
Agreed! Long ester trest is king of all PED’s in my book. No sides , no AI’s,just gains IME. To be fair I don’t aromatize much on anything and have rarely ever had to use an AI or serm.
 

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I got bloodwork done yesterday and, results pending, I'll be able to start my Trestolone Acetate cycle earlier than expected. So, I guess I'm going for it....but have one more critical question. Thanks again everyone for all of your help and advice. When I begin, I'll start a post with my log in case anyone is interested.

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  • Can someone help me figure out how to measure a 5mg dose? I've got a 10ml bottle of 50mg/ml Trest Ace and will be using U-100 (100cc with one line per cc) insulin syringes. It seems like it would be such a super tiny, hard-to-get-accurate dose if I'm doing the calculation correctly....so, I must be doing something wrong.
 
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this is why I said to just use 25 mgs every other day. Its a little more than you are expecting but u can get an accurate measure easily enough.
 
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So 5mg is .1 (1/10) of a millimeter of your Trest, and .1 millimeters is 10 units on your syringe.
 
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I got bloodwork done yesterday and, results pending, I'll be able to start my Trestolone Acetate cycle earlier than expected. So, I guess I'm going for it....but have one more critical question. Thanks again everyone for all of your help and advice. When I begin, I'll start a post with my log in case anyone is interested.

Question:
  • Can someone help me figure out how to measure a 5mg dose? I've got a 10ml bottle of 50mg/ml Trest Ace and will be using U-100 (100cc with one line per cc) insulin syringes. It seems like it would be such a super tiny, hard-to-get-accurate dose if I'm doing the calculation correctly....so, I must be doing something wrong.
1ml=100 units.

50mg per ML

50mg=100 units

100/50=2 units per mg

So 5mg x2 units = 10 units, or 0.1ml.

Said another way, however many mg you want in the shot, take twice the units. You want 10mg, take 20 units on the slinpin, etc.

You will waste NOTHING using a slinpin with a fixed needle. Not even 1 units worth. Now a TB syringe with a swappable needle, that will indeed have oil loss.
 

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Oh okay....great...thank you everyone!!! That really breaks it down for me and helps a lot. I had it all wrong thinking that 1ml=1cc=1unit (instead of 100units). That makes a lot more sense now and I think 10 units (although a small amount) is still easy enough to measure accurately.

Thanks again.
 

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