Trestolone Acetate - Cycle Log

[Hyde]

And Arimistane is more of a cosmetic drying product, like if going on a beach trip or photo shoot. It is not significantly effective for managing estrogen, certainly not trestolone. Don’t even waste your time.

 

[BioHackJack]

Thanks for the reply and the good advice. I will do exactly that.

 

[BioHackJack]

Day 17 Update:

Strange things happening....
Instead of making forward progress, I seem to be losing some ground as far as strength, recovery, motivation, and mood over the past few days. I increased my dose yesterday just by 2.5mg and I think it may have helped a little tiny bit. Other than still being very sweaty, I really can't say that I'm feeling any effects from the Trestolone Acetate at the moment. Even that slight warm sensation in my chest has completely disappeared and I haven't taken any more AI since that one dose. Also, I noticed this morning that my ankle hair is gone like it was before I started TRT. I feel this is a low testosterone symptom and obviously, since I dropped my TRT before starting this Trestolone cycle, my actual testosterone levels must be next to nothing.

So, I'm starting to wonder if it wasn't such a great idea to forgo my TRT dose while taking the Trestolone. I did so because I was worried about too much estrogen and thought the MENT would be an adequate replacement...or at least good enough. I also had a slight fever yesterday and the day before which is gone now so maybe I've just been sick for a few days...idk.

Anyway, any thoughts? Would you start or consider resuming your TRT low-dose Test Cyp again during this cycle...maybe at a lower dose? Would you raise Trest Ace dose a little instead? I'm all ears to any opinions, suggestions, criticisms, and advice.

On a side note.....my Blood Pressure seems to be better now than it was before for some bizarre reason.

LOG:

Date	Day	Mg	Weight	BF%	BMI	Muscle	Bench	Observations	Sides	Ancillary
9/10	1	5	183	14.6	26	148.6		Increased s dreams last night	0	0
9/11	2	5	183	14.6	26	148.6		s dream last night	0	0
9/12	3	5	183.6	14.7	26	148.8		nothing noticeable	0	0
9/13	4	7.5	185.6	14.9	26	150		s dreams last night	0	0
9/14	5	7.5	185.2	14.8	26	150		s dreams last night Hungrier	0	0
9/15	6	7.5	188	15.1	26	151.6		Maybe slight fuller look. Eating more.	0	0
9/16	7	7.5	185.8	14.9	26	150.4	245x4	Hungry. Joint pain disappeared.	0	0
9/17	8	10	185.6	14.9	26	150		Still no pain, took extra 2.5mg in evening	0	0
9/18	9	10	189.4	15.3	27	152.6		Big pump doesn’t last, sweat, 2.5 pm	0	0
9/19	10	10	187.8	15.1	26	151.4		Nothing new. Rest day -no workout	0	0
9/20	11	10	187.2	15.1	26	151.2	265x4	Extra sweaty.Big pumps.Starting to feel it.	0	0
9/21	12	10	188.8	15.2	26	152.2		Slight warm sensation on chest - took AI	1	1mg Anastroz
9/22	13	10	190.2	15.4	27	152.8		Extra sensitive to stimulants-heart racing	0	0
9/23	14	10	189	15.3	27	152.2		Waking at night, weaker today, tired	0	0
9/24	15	10	188.8	15.2	26	152.2		Tired, still sore from 9/22, strength down	0	0
9/25	16	13	189	15.2	27	152.2		Tired, not feeling anything, sore still	0	0
9/26	17	13	189	15.2	27	152.2		Hair loss on my ankles, BP great	0	0

Measurements
Date	BP	Chest(in)	Arm(in)
9/17		44.5	16.5
9/18		45.5	17
9/19	127/79	45.5	17
9/20		45.5	17
9/21		45.5	17
9/22	129/83	45.5	17
9/23		45.5	17
9/24	125/75	45.5	17
9/25	112/74	45.5	17
9/26	115/79	45.5	17

 

[xR1pp3Rx]

steadily increase your trest.

25 mgs eod will be effective, and easy to handle.

 

[Hyde]

I would probably SLOWLY titrate the Trest up at this point vs adding testosterone back in, but when I used it I did keep 90mg of testosterone enanthate per week in the mix, so I don’t know how it would feel 100% solo.

 

[gphagan1]

I know they had experimented with Trest for TRT, but I’ve always at least ran my TRT dose of Test, 125mg, along side of Trest. I know when I started TRT I got more improvements than just the typical increase sex drive, building muscle, and strength gains, associated with starting Testosterone when your levels are low. I also noticed other improvements in energy and easier fat loss as well as other benefits.
My theory always was even though I always responded well to Trest, that now that I’m older I probably should continue my TRT dose at least, because of how much Trest suppresses Testosterone. I do agree that whatever adjustments you make to go slowly, because this is new territory.

 

[BioHackJack]

Okay thanks guys for the advice. I'll increase the Trestolone up from 12.5 (looks like my spreadsheet automatically formatted 12.5 to 13 for some reason...gotta fix that) to 15mg per day by the end of the week.

 

[Hyde]

Okay thanks guys for the advice. I'll increase the Trestolone up from 12.5 (looks like my spreadsheet automatically formatted 12.5 to 13 for some reason...gotta fix that) to 15mg per day by the end of the week.

Okay I think I’ve failed communicating to you what I mean by SLOWLY. You just began this cycle 2 weeks ago. You just moved from 10mg to 12.5mg. Give it a week, then evaluate. 12.5mg daily is already the same thing as 25mg eod that Ripper suggested.

Do not let the absolute size of the mg fool you. Going from 10mg to 15mg would represent a 50% drug increase. If you were on 1,000mg of testosterone for just 2 weeks, would you so quickly decide to jump to 1,500mg already?

Give things a minute to work, and to gather information to evaluate if another bump is warranted.

 

[BioHackJack]

Ah okay....I didn't realize just how slow you were suggesting. This is sure a test of my patience as I'm 18 days in and almost halfway through a 6-week cycle with nothing to show for it. But, I'll keep truckin' along slowly to be safe. If it wasn't for you guys I might already be in-deep with nasty side effects and DD man-boobs. Just hope my frustration doesn't get the better of me.

 

[xR1pp3Rx]

i believe the reason you are frustrated is because you are just now what I would consider a body building minimum dose. the first couple weeks were nothing more than exploratory. get over it, and start putting it to the test in the gym. if its good gear you should see not only nice strength gains but also you will likely find it impossible to get sore, no matter how hard u push.. just dont take that coment and go nuts, then hurt yourself. im not say you should do that by any means

 

[gphagan1]

i believe the reason you are frustrated is because you are just now what I would consider a body building minimum dose. the first couple weeks were nothing more than exploratory. get over it, and start putting it to the test in the gym. if its good gear you should see not only nice strength gains but also you will likely find it impossible to get sore, no matter how hard u push.. just dont take that coment and go nuts, then hurt yourself. im not say you should do that by any means

Yep, and your body was used to your TRT dose of Testosterone. So when you dropped that, your Test levels started dropping, and even though you added one of the strongest anabolics, Trest, it was such a low dose it probably didn’t quite make up the difference in enhanced performance lost from dropping Test. So performance wise you pretty much stayed the same, because you basically just switched out Test for low dose Trest. For a younger man that probably would have been fine, but for an older man already on TRT, I think your body needed that Test. Then when you added even low dose Trest, you would have seen improvements probably within a couple of weeks, because you would have increased your anabolic intake. Even with Trest you have to be patient, but consider all the factors, and you should start noticing improvements.
I know a lot of guys will run Trest without any Test, but I’m an older guy as well, 58 years old, and I won’t ever stop my TRT dose for any other anabolic, not even Trest. But I also handle Trest very well, and don’t really suffer from any of the negative sides.

 

[Hyde]

Ah okay....I didn't realize just how slow you were suggesting. This is sure a test of my patience as I'm 18 days in and almost halfway through a 6-week cycle with nothing to show for it. But, I'll keep truckin' along slowly to be safe. If it wasn't for you guys I might already be in-deep with nasty side effects and DD man-boobs. Just hope my frustration doesn't get the better of me.

Is there a reason you couldn’t make this an 8 week course if you are feeling good for it? IE, bloodwork for doctor coming up, etc. Sorry if you previously mentioned this.

 

[BioHackJack]

Thanks guys. Since it's my first cycle, I figured I'd stop at 6 weeks....but, as long as things are going okay, I'd love to push it to eight.

 

[gphagan1]

I would for sure go 8 weeks…..I think you’ll be much happier with it.

 

[Hyde]

Thanks guys. Since it's my first cycle, I figured I'd stop at 6 weeks....but, as long as things are going okay, I'd love to push it to eight.

I absolutely wouldn’t be concerned to cut it short unless you experience health concerns you can’t mitigate (like excessive BP that extra cardio can’t sufficiently help).

 

[BioHackJack]

26 Day Update:

Continuing to feel symptoms of (or similar too) very low Test levels, I decided to take a risk and add some Test Cyp...just a small dose of 40mg sub-q with the intentions of making this a weekly dose as long as everything goes well. With the hurricane coming, I needed to kick the lethargy and have some restored energy for the board-up, clean-up and fix up afterwards. (I live in East Central Florida a few blocks from the beach. The eye went over us and had hours/days of clean up and repairs...though nothing at all compared to those poor people on the West Coast.) Well, adding the Test seemed to have done the trick although it took a couple days to feel the effects and four days to feel completely back to normal.

I'm now at 15mg per day of Trest and 40mg per week of Test and fortunately no sides yet other than probably a little bit of water retention. Blood pressure is still good at 115/79 this morning although it jumps up while working out. Maybe that's normal....IDK...I've never checked my BP during a workout before this. The positive effects are really starting to show now. Huge pumps (I look like a different person walking out of the gym than I did walking in...wish it would last). Increasing in size (likely water), libido way up, and strength going up now. This trestolone even works on my wife who isn't taking it....she looks even hotter than the day I met her now!

I'm really loving this stuff now!!! For me, I don't think I can let my Testosterone bottom out even while on the Trestolone. Maybe I could have taken more Trest to compensate but I felt better about keeping at least a small dose of Test in my system. I know it was a risk...hope it works out in the long run. Keeping a close eye on my nipples.

Date	Day	Mg	Weight	BF%	BMI	Muscle	Bench	Observations	Sides	Ancillary
9/10	1	5	183	14.6	26	148.6		Increased s dreams last night	0	0
9/11	2	5	183	14.6	26	148.6		s dream last night	0	0
9/12	3	5	183.6	14.7	26	148.8		nothing noticeable	0	0
9/13	4	7.5	185.6	14.9	26	150		s dreams last night	0	0
9/14	5	7.5	185.2	14.8	26	150		s dreams last night Hungrier	0	0
9/15	6	7.5	188	15.1	26	151.6		Maybe slight fuller look. Eating more.	0	0
9/16	7	7.5	185.8	14.9	26	150.4	245x4	Hungry. Joint pain disappeared.	0	0
9/17	8	10	185.6	14.9	26	150		Still no pain, took extra 2.5mg in evening	0	0
9/18	9	10	189.4	15.3	27	152.6		Big pump doesn’t last, sweat, 2.5 pm	0	0
9/19	10	10	187.8	15.1	26	151.4		Nothing new. Rest day -no workout	0	0
9/20	11	10	187.2	15.1	26	151.2	265x4	Extra sweaty.Big pumps.Starting to feel it.	0	0
9/21	12	10	188.8	15.2	26	152.2		Slight warm sensation on chest - took AI	1	1mg Anastroz
9/22	13	10	190.2	15.4	27	152.8		Extra sensitive to stimulants-heart racing	0	0
9/23	14	10	189	15.3	27	152.2		Waking at night, weaker today, tired	0	0
9/24	15	10	188.8	15.2	26	152.2		Tired, still sore from 9/22, strength down	0	0
9/25	16	13	189	15.2	27	152.2		Tired, not feeling anything, sore still	0	0
9/26	17	13	189	15.2	27	152.2		Hair loss on my ankles, BP great	0	0
9/27	18	13	190.2	15.4	27	152.8		Very tired, lethargic, weaker, sore, looking fat	0	40mg T.Cyp
9/28	19	13	190.2	15.4	27	152.8		Hurricane coming - need to feel normal soon	0	0
9/29	20	13						Tired but better, 3 hours hurricane cleanup	0	0
9/30	21	13						Much more energy, 8 hours cleanup/fix up	0	0
10/1	22	13						Much better-feeling normal again, sore	0	0
10/2	23	13						Dreams,Strength back, libido up, energy	0	0
10/3	24	15	191.6	15.5	27	153.6	265x4	Feel Great! Crazy libido,pumps,strong,mood	0	0
10/4	25	15	191.6	15.5	27	153.6		Increasing in size-water retention, feels great	0	40mg T.Cyp
10/5	26	15	193.6	15.8	27	155		Still feel great. strength, size, hunger increase	0	0

 

[gphagan1]

26 Day Update:

Continuing to feel symptoms of (or similar too) very low Test levels, I decided to take a risk and add some Test Cyp...just a small dose of 40mg sub-q with the intentions of making this a weekly dose as long as everything goes well. With the hurricane coming, I needed to kick the lethargy and have some restored energy for the board-up, clean-up and fix up afterwards. (I live in East Central Florida a few blocks from the beach. The eye went over us and had hours/days of clean up and repairs...though nothing at all compared to those poor people on the West Coast.) Well, adding the Test seemed to have done the trick although it took a couple days to feel the effects and four days to feel completely back to normal.

I'm now at 15mg per day of Trest and 40mg per week of Test and fortunately no sides yet other than probably a little bit of water retention. Blood pressure is still good at 115/79 this morning although it jumps up while working out. Maybe that's normal....IDK...I've never checked my BP during a workout before this. The positive effects are really starting to show now. Huge pumps (I look like a different person walking out of the gym than I did walking in...wish it would last). Increasing in size (likely water), libido way up, and strength going up now. This trestolone even works on my wife who isn't taking it....she looks even hotter than the day I met her now!

I'm really loving this stuff now!!! For me, I don't think I can let my Testosterone bottom out even while on the Trestolone. Maybe I could have taken more Trest to compensate but I felt better about keeping at least a small dose of Test in my system. I know it was a risk...hope it works out in the long run. Keeping a close eye on my nipples.

Date	Day	Mg	Weight	BF%	BMI	Muscle	Bench	Observations	Sides	Ancillary
9/10	1	5	183	14.6	26	148.6		Increased s dreams last night	0	0
9/11	2	5	183	14.6	26	148.6		s dream last night	0	0
9/12	3	5	183.6	14.7	26	148.8		nothing noticeable	0	0
9/13	4	7.5	185.6	14.9	26	150		s dreams last night	0	0
9/14	5	7.5	185.2	14.8	26	150		s dreams last night Hungrier	0	0
9/15	6	7.5	188	15.1	26	151.6		Maybe slight fuller look. Eating more.	0	0
9/16	7	7.5	185.8	14.9	26	150.4	245x4	Hungry. Joint pain disappeared.	0	0
9/17	8	10	185.6	14.9	26	150		Still no pain, took extra 2.5mg in evening	0	0
9/18	9	10	189.4	15.3	27	152.6		Big pump doesn’t last, sweat, 2.5 pm	0	0
9/19	10	10	187.8	15.1	26	151.4		Nothing new. Rest day -no workout	0	0
9/20	11	10	187.2	15.1	26	151.2	265x4	Extra sweaty.Big pumps.Starting to feel it.	0	0
9/21	12	10	188.8	15.2	26	152.2		Slight warm sensation on chest - took AI	1	1mg Anastroz
9/22	13	10	190.2	15.4	27	152.8		Extra sensitive to stimulants-heart racing	0	0
9/23	14	10	189	15.3	27	152.2		Waking at night, weaker today, tired	0	0
9/24	15	10	188.8	15.2	26	152.2		Tired, still sore from 9/22, strength down	0	0
9/25	16	13	189	15.2	27	152.2		Tired, not feeling anything, sore still	0	0
9/26	17	13	189	15.2	27	152.2		Hair loss on my ankles, BP great	0	0
9/27	18	13	190.2	15.4	27	152.8		Very tired, lethargic, weaker, sore, looking fat	0	40mg T.Cyp
9/28	19	13	190.2	15.4	27	152.8		Hurricane coming - need to feel normal soon	0	0
9/29	20	13						Tired but better, 3 hours hurricane cleanup	0	0
9/30	21	13						Much more energy, 8 hours cleanup/fix up	0	0
10/1	22	13						Much better-feeling normal again, sore	0	0
10/2	23	13						Dreams,Strength back, libido up, energy	0	0
10/3	24	15	191.6	15.5	27	153.6	265x4	Feel Great! Crazy libido,pumps,strong,mood	0	0
10/4	25	15	191.6	15.5	27	153.6		Increasing in size-water retention, feels great	0	40mg T.Cyp
10/5	26	15	193.6	15.8	27	155		Still feel great. strength, size, hunger increase	0	0

Glad everything is kicking in for you……yeah Trest will definitely perk everything up, and for sure make your woman and all women even more attractive, and hotter. It can make you hyper sexual, and you want “it” all the time.

 

[Hyde]

Trest Goggles are a beautiful thing. It can be very annoying if you don’t have an outlet, because you will have to seek one somehow, but it’s also nice to enjoy women so much for the sake of it sometimes.

Generally speaking, Trest is a lot of good vibes.

 

[BioHackJack]

DAY 34 LOG - Trestolone Acetate. Sorry, I've been slacking on posting my log.

Some recent developments. Estrogen side effects started creeping up a little more....nips went from warm feeling to 'spicy'...that's the best I can describe it. No puffy or swollen areas and not sensitive to the touch either....just a little warm spicy. Some water retention in my hands and chest. Also, my skin started getting a little red in my face, neck, chest, and shoulders...though my blood pressure isn't too bad...highest has been 130/89 but usually lower.

I added some Anastrozole that didn't seem to do too much so I decided to try a little Raloxifene for the nips. Whoa...that stuff really works...and FAST! Whoever it was who suggested that I keep it on hand....thank you very much! I added just one 50mg dose and by the next day, no more nip sensation. I had planned to run it at a low dose for a while until it went away....but, I think I'll just stop at the one dose since it's gone now. The water retention and redness is still there but I can deal with that and maybe add a periodic dose of the Anastrozole to help. Joint pain came back a little after the Anastrozole and the Ralox...but not too bad...starting to fade away again. The most unfortunate thing is that I kinda lost that Trestolone high, energetic, and horny feeling that I was enjoying so much. I wonder if that was partially, for some strange reason, from the estrogen/methylestradiol. I'm sure it'll return.....along with the nipple spice

Questions:

1. The red skin on my face, neck, chest, shoulders....is that normal? Should I be concerned? RAD140 does this to me too.
2. The warm and then eventually spicy nipples...how concerned should I be? Is some of that normal for this compound or is it always a gyno warning sign?
3. Is it okay to only use the Ralox as needed or is it designed to use a low dose through the rest of the cycle...and was my one-time 50mg does an appropriate amount?

Thanks guys. I'm enjoying the experience and appreciative of all your help. Only 17 more days on this cycle.

Date	Day	Mg	Weight	BF%	BMI	Muscle	Bench	Observations	Sides	Ancillary
9/10	1	5	183	14.6	26	148.6		Increased s dreams last night	0	0
9/11	2	5	183	14.6	26	148.6		s dream last night	0	0
9/12	3	5	183.6	14.7	26	148.8		nothing noticeable	0	0
9/13	4	7.5	185.6	14.9	26	150		s dreams last night	0	0
9/14	5	7.5	185.2	14.8	26	150		s dreams last night Hungrier	0	0
9/15	6	7.5	188	15.1	26	151.6		Maybe slight fuller look. Eating more.	0	0
9/16	7	7.5	185.8	14.9	26	150.4	245x4	Hungry. Joint pain disappeared.	0	0
9/17	8	10	185.6	14.9	26	150		Still no pain, took extra 2.5mg in evening	0	0
9/18	9	10	189.4	15.3	27	152.6		Big pump doesn’t last, sweat, 2.5 pm	0	0
9/19	10	10	187.8	15.1	26	151.4		Nothing new. Rest day -no workout	0	0
9/20	11	10	187.2	15.1	26	151.2	265x4	Extra sweaty.Big pumps.Starting to feel it.	0	0
9/21	12	10	188.8	15.2	26	152.2		Slight warm sensation on chest - took AI	1	1mg Anastroz
9/22	13	10	190.2	15.4	27	152.8		Extra sensitive to stimulants-heart racing	0	0
9/23	14	10	189	15.3	27	152.2		Waking at night, weaker today, tired	0	0
9/24	15	10	188.8	15.2	26	152.2		Tired, still sore from 9/22, strength down	0	0
9/25	16	13	189	15.2	27	152.2		Tired, not feeling anything, sore still	0	0
9/26	17	13	189	15.2	27	152.2		Hair loss on my ankles, BP great	0	0
9/27	18	13	190.2	15.4	27	152.8		Very tired, lethargic, weaker, sore, looking fat	0	40mg T.Cyp
9/28	19	13	190.2	15.4	27	152.8		Hurricane coming - need to feel normal soon	0	0
9/29	20	13						Tired but better, 3 hours hurricane cleanup	0	0
9/30	21	13						Much more energy, 8 hours cleanup/fix up	0	0
10/1	22	13						Much better-feeling normal again, sore	0	0
10/2	23	13						Dreams,Strength back, libido up, energy	0	0
10/3	24	15	191.6	15.5	27	153.6	265x4	Feel Great! Crazy libido,pumps,strong,mood	0	0
10/4	25	15	191.6	15.5	27	153.6		Increasing in size-water retention, feels great	0	40mg T.Cyp
10/5	26	15	193.6	15.8	27	155		Still feel great. strength, size, hunger increase	0	0
10/6	27	15	193	15.7	27	154.6		Still great. Warm nips - took small AI dose	0	.5mg Anastroz
10/7	28	15	192.6	15.6	27	154.4	275x4	Still great. Nips are better too. Strength up.	0	0
10/8	29	15	192.6	15.6	27	154.4		Nips starting to get warm. Skin a little red.	0	.5mg Anastroz
10/9	30	15	193.4	15.7	27	154.8		Nips spicier,red skin,some shoulder acne	1	1mg Anastroz
10/10	31	15	193.4	15.7	27	154.8		Nips still spicy, red, water retention in chest.	1	30mg T.Cyp
10/11	32	15	192.6	15.6	27	154.4		Nips still spicy…Anastrozol isn't taking it away	1	50mg Ralox
10/12	33	15	192.2	15.6	27	154.2	275x4	Nips normal, joint pain back a little,	0	0
10/13	34	18	194.2	15.8	27	155.2		Not feeling the Trest high as much. No sides	0	0

 

[BCseacow83]

And Arimistane is more of a cosmetic drying product, like if going on a beach trip or photo shoot. It is not significantly effective for managing estrogen, certainly not trestolone. Don’t even waste your time.

OP stated he really wants to use it up and in that case I would say toss it into PCT if he wants.

 

[BCseacow83]

My personal experiences have supported exactly what you have found OP: IMO/IME Trest NEEDS at minimum a baseline of testosterone for best results. Trest provides ZERO dht and has all the potential issues of a 19-nor and methly estrogen. These are NOT things you want in a zero DHT environment.

I have posted this before so I will try to be brief.(spoiler I failed.) I first used trest when PO and admin brought it out. I was between Dr's and insurance so no TRT. I produce less than 20ng/dl of natural test so essentially castrated. Trest provided SOME of the benefits people raved about, I gained size and strength. What I did NOT experience was the huge libido, energy and sense of well-being people talked about, I had zero of this.

Fast forward and back on scripted TRT I try some old trest I had laying around and BOOM all the things people raved about.

At minimum trest needs actual DHT added to it. Whether it's inj. dht, if you can find it, or a precursor like epiandro/androsterone and this will greatly enhance it's effects when being run buy a hypogonadal individual in the absence of testosterone treatment.

Best yet run 10mg/day of testosterone and add in your trest.

Unrelated to the above: I highly encourage you to stop trying to "feel" everything. You don't feel protein synthesis. You don't feel reduced catabolism. You don't feel fatty acids being oxidized. You don't feel 1.15oz/day gain in lean mass(1lb tissue gain per two weeks.) You will SEE benefits just be patient. I also highly encourage you to toss out the window any set in stone length of cycles. I mean really why? Say you have gotten nothing but sides from week 5-6 and zero gains in the gym/scale. Would you continue on for 12 more weeks because it's the plan? I wouldn't. Conversely what if it really gets good end of week 5 with no sides? Are you going to only go one more week? Having a rough plan is always good but no plan survives contact with the enemy, adjust on the fly to your benefit always.

 

[gphagan1]

DAY 34 LOG - Trestolone Acetate. Sorry, I've been slacking on posting my log.

Some recent developments. Estrogen side effects started creeping up a little more....nips went from warm feeling to 'spicy'...that's the best I can describe it. No puffy or swollen areas and not sensitive to the touch either....just a little warm spicy. Some water retention in my hands and chest. Also, my skin started getting a little red in my face, neck, chest, and shoulders...though my blood pressure isn't too bad...highest has been 130/89 but usually lower.

I added some Anastrozole that didn't seem to do too much so I decided to try a little Raloxifene for the nips. Whoa...that stuff really works...and FAST! Whoever it was who suggested that I keep it on hand....thank you very much! I added just one 50mg dose and by the next day, no more nip sensation. I had planned to run it at a low dose for a while until it went away....but, I think I'll just stop at the one dose since it's gone now. The water retention and redness is still there but I can deal with that and maybe add a periodic dose of the Anastrozole to help. Joint pain came back a little after the Anastrozole and the Ralox...but not too bad...starting to fade away again. The most unfortunate thing is that I kinda lost that Trestolone high, energetic, and horny feeling that I was enjoying so much. I wonder if that was partially, for some strange reason, from the estrogen/methylestradiol. I'm sure it'll return.....along with the nipple spice

Questions:

1. The red skin on my face, neck, chest, shoulders....is that normal? Should I be concerned? RAD140 does this to me too.
2. The warm and then eventually spicy nipples...how concerned should I be? Is some of that normal for this compound or is it always a gyno warning sign?
3. Is it okay to only use the Ralox as needed or is it designed to use a low dose through the rest of the cycle...and was my one-time 50mg does an appropriate amount?

Thanks guys. I'm enjoying the experience and appreciative of all your help. Only 17 more days on this cycle.

Date	Day	Mg	Weight	BF%	BMI	Muscle	Bench	Observations	Sides	Ancillary
9/10	1	5	183	14.6	26	148.6		Increased s dreams last night	0	0
9/11	2	5	183	14.6	26	148.6		s dream last night	0	0
9/12	3	5	183.6	14.7	26	148.8		nothing noticeable	0	0
9/13	4	7.5	185.6	14.9	26	150		s dreams last night	0	0
9/14	5	7.5	185.2	14.8	26	150		s dreams last night Hungrier	0	0
9/15	6	7.5	188	15.1	26	151.6		Maybe slight fuller look. Eating more.	0	0
9/16	7	7.5	185.8	14.9	26	150.4	245x4	Hungry. Joint pain disappeared.	0	0
9/17	8	10	185.6	14.9	26	150		Still no pain, took extra 2.5mg in evening	0	0
9/18	9	10	189.4	15.3	27	152.6		Big pump doesn’t last, sweat, 2.5 pm	0	0
9/19	10	10	187.8	15.1	26	151.4		Nothing new. Rest day -no workout	0	0
9/20	11	10	187.2	15.1	26	151.2	265x4	Extra sweaty.Big pumps.Starting to feel it.	0	0
9/21	12	10	188.8	15.2	26	152.2		Slight warm sensation on chest - took AI	1	1mg Anastroz
9/22	13	10	190.2	15.4	27	152.8		Extra sensitive to stimulants-heart racing	0	0
9/23	14	10	189	15.3	27	152.2		Waking at night, weaker today, tired	0	0
9/24	15	10	188.8	15.2	26	152.2		Tired, still sore from 9/22, strength down	0	0
9/25	16	13	189	15.2	27	152.2		Tired, not feeling anything, sore still	0	0
9/26	17	13	189	15.2	27	152.2		Hair loss on my ankles, BP great	0	0
9/27	18	13	190.2	15.4	27	152.8		Very tired, lethargic, weaker, sore, looking fat	0	40mg T.Cyp
9/28	19	13	190.2	15.4	27	152.8		Hurricane coming - need to feel normal soon	0	0
9/29	20	13						Tired but better, 3 hours hurricane cleanup	0	0
9/30	21	13						Much more energy, 8 hours cleanup/fix up	0	0
10/1	22	13						Much better-feeling normal again, sore	0	0
10/2	23	13						Dreams,Strength back, libido up, energy	0	0
10/3	24	15	191.6	15.5	27	153.6	265x4	Feel Great! Crazy libido,pumps,strong,mood	0	0
10/4	25	15	191.6	15.5	27	153.6		Increasing in size-water retention, feels great	0	40mg T.Cyp
10/5	26	15	193.6	15.8	27	155		Still feel great. strength, size, hunger increase	0	0
10/6	27	15	193	15.7	27	154.6		Still great. Warm nips - took small AI dose	0	.5mg Anastroz
10/7	28	15	192.6	15.6	27	154.4	275x4	Still great. Nips are better too. Strength up.	0	0
10/8	29	15	192.6	15.6	27	154.4		Nips starting to get warm. Skin a little red.	0	.5mg Anastroz
10/9	30	15	193.4	15.7	27	154.8		Nips spicier,red skin,some shoulder acne	1	1mg Anastroz
10/10	31	15	193.4	15.7	27	154.8		Nips still spicy, red, water retention in chest.	1	30mg T.Cyp
10/11	32	15	192.6	15.6	27	154.4		Nips still spicy…Anastrozol isn't taking it away	1	50mg Ralox
10/12	33	15	192.2	15.6	27	154.2	275x4	Nips normal, joint pain back a little,	0	0
10/13	34	18	194.2	15.8	27	155.2		Not feeling the Trest high as much. No sides	0	0

Yeah Ralox is pretty effective and I feel is a must to have on hand, especially with Trest. You may want to continue Ralox for a few more weeks just to be on the safe side. The spicy nips, never heard it called that but good description, can be one of the early signs of gyno trying to start, that’s why you go ahead and nip it (ha) in the bud with Ralox. One dose probably just helped but probably wasn’t enough, so that’s why I would continue the Ralox. The redness sometimes is indicative of high blood pressure, but you may be getting some kind of thermogenic effect. I know Trest makes me definitely sweat more, not as bad as Tren can, but it definitely does to a certain degree. I would say just check your blood pressure a couple of times a day just to be safe.

 

[Hyde]

I would be doing at least 25-30mg Ralox a day until the end if you needed to hit it already (the fact it made a difference means you needed it). Bump to 50 if the spice returns.

 

[BioHackJack]

Thanks for following so closely everyone and for your excellent input and suggestions.

40 Day Update: (Something Strange Happened)
So this cycle has really turned out to be a great experiment and this update revealed something very interesting to me. I have an opened bottle of oral YK11 and four more that I was going to ditch because I've found that YK gives me such bad joint pain. I thought, since this Trestolone is so healing on my joints, maybe this might be a good time to throw some YK in there to see what happens before I toss it in the trash. I did not expect what was about to happen and I have no idea why....but it has completely taken away my nipple spice-n-sizzle...within the first day.

I was jiust about to start taking my Ralox on a schedule but the YK11 not only took it away but gave me some symptoms of low estrogen. Unfortunately, that means the joint pain came back . I adjusted the dose of YK and the Trest and I was due for another Test injection....and BAM...everything is perfect now!!!! No joint pain, no nip issues, and feeling the full effects of the Trest...at the moment anyway.

I really thought I just discovered something that no one had ever experienced until I found a thread on AA with someone else talking about it lowering their E...in fact crashing it. Though they and I don't have blood test results to confirm this. Well, I think I'm going to ride out the rest of my cycle using the YK as estrogen support....strangely enough....unless of course the spice comes back. So weird!

The pumps seem to be even more amazing now, drying out a little now too, and feeling like I'm growing and strengthening. Very happy with the Trest...and, now I'm even happy with YK11.

Date	Day	Mg	Weight	BF%	BMI	Muscle	Bench	Observations	Sides	Ancillary
9/10	1	5	183	14.6	26	148.6		Increased s dreams last night	0	0
9/11	2	5	183	14.6	26	148.6		s dream last night	0	0
9/12	3	5	183.6	14.7	26	148.8		nothing noticeable	0	0
9/13	4	7.5	185.6	14.9	26	150		s dreams last night	0	0
9/14	5	7.5	185.2	14.8	26	150		s dreams last night Hungrier	0	0
9/15	6	7.5	188	15.1	26	151.6		Maybe slight fuller look. Eating more.	0	0
9/16	7	7.5	185.8	14.9	26	150.4	245x4	Hungry. Joint pain disappeared.	0	0
9/17	8	10	185.6	14.9	26	150		Still no pain, took extra 2.5mg in evening	0	0
9/18	9	10	189.4	15.3	27	152.6		Big pump doesn’t last, sweat, 2.5 pm	0	0
9/19	10	10	187.8	15.1	26	151.4		Nothing new. Rest day -no workout	0	0
9/20	11	10	187.2	15.1	26	151.2	265x4	Extra sweaty.Big pumps.Starting to feel it.	0	0
9/21	12	10	188.8	15.2	26	152.2		Slight warm sensation on chest - took AI	1	1mg Anastroz
9/22	13	10	190.2	15.4	27	152.8		Extra sensitive to stimulants-heart racing	0	0
9/23	14	10	189	15.3	27	152.2		Waking at night, weaker today, tired	0	0
9/24	15	10	188.8	15.2	26	152.2		Tired, still sore from 9/22, strength down	0	0
9/25	16	13	189	15.2	27	152.2		Tired, not feeling anything, sore still	0	0
9/26	17	13	189	15.2	27	152.2		Hair loss on my ankles, BP great	0	0
9/27	18	13	190.2	15.4	27	152.8		Very tired, lethargic, weaker, sore, looking fat	0	40mg T.Cyp
9/28	19	13	190.2	15.4	27	152.8		Hurricane coming - need to feel normal soon	0	0
9/29	20	13						Tired but better, 3 hours hurricane cleanup	0	0
9/30	21	13						Much more energy, 8 hours cleanup/fix up	0	0
10/1	22	13						Much better-feeling normal again, sore	0	0
10/2	23	13						Dreams,Strength back, libido up, energy	0	0
10/3	24	15	191.6	15.5	27	153.6	265x4	Feel Great! Crazy libido,pumps,strong,mood	0	0
10/4	25	15	191.6	15.5	27	153.6		Increasing in size-water retention, feels great	0	40mg T.Cyp
10/5	26	15	193.6	15.8	27	155		Still feel great. strength, size, hunger increase	0	0
10/6	27	15	193	15.7	27	154.6		Still great. Warm nips - took small AI dose	0	.5mg Anastroz
10/7	28	15	192.6	15.6	27	154.4	275x4	Still great. Nips are better too. Strength up.	0	0
10/8	29	15	192.6	15.6	27	154.4		Nips starting to get warm. Skin a little red.	0	.5mg Anastroz
10/9	30	15	193.4	15.7	27	154.8		Nips spicier,red skin,some shoulder acne	1	1mg Anastroz
10/10	31	15	193.4	15.7	27	154.8		Nips still spicy, red, water retention in chest.	1	30mg T.Cyp
10/11	32	15	192.6	15.6	27	154.4		Nips still spicy…Anastrozol isn't taking it away	1	50mg Ralox
10/12	33	15	192.2	15.6	27	154.2	275x4	Nips normal, joint pain back a little,	0	0
10/13	34	15	194.2	15.8	27	155.2		Not feeling the Trest high as much. No sides	0	0
10/14	35	15						Feeling Trest High again. Nips a little spicy.	1
10/15	36	15						Nips sizzling in am but YK11 took it away pm.	1	Yk-20mg
10/16	37	15						Strange- symptom of low E…joint pain, etc.	1	Yk-20mg
10/17	38	15	191.6	15.5	27	153.8		Joint pain, irritable, no nips sizzle though	1	40mg T.Cyp
10/18	39	18	191.6	15.5	27	153.8		Trest high back - but no nips sizzle	0	Yk-15mg
10/19	40	18	192	15.6	27	153.8		Seems like a YK and Trest is a good combo	0	Yk-15mg

 

[Smont]

Yk11 is a partial agonist to the androgen receptor, in the presence of trestolone it's going to do pretty much nothing in my opinion. Also trestolone not going to stop the negative effects that YK has on ligaments and tendons

 

[Smont]

I will say though I have seen people report significantly lower estrogen levels while on YK

 

[BioHackJack]

Yeah, that is so wild! I wonder why YK11 lowers estrogen. Anyone know? Well, I threw it in there for the myostatin inhibitor characteristic....if you believe the claim. I'm not sold on the claim yet....and I'm not even sure it would work on someone who isn't near their genetic limit yet. But, I drank the Koolaid so I threw it in.

 

[Smont]

Yeah, that is so wild! I wonder why YK11 lowers estrogen. Anyone know? Well, I threw it in there for the myostatin inhibitor characteristic....if you believe the claim. I'm not sold on the claim yet....and I'm not even sure it would work on someone who isn't near their genetic limit yet. But, I drank the Koolaid so I threw it in.

The myostatin thing is irrelevant, I would guess it's because YK is closer to a DHT derivative of a steroid. It's got that steroidal dht backbone so I would have to guess it exerts dht characteristic like masteron and primo ect?

I don't know for certain that's just my best educated guess.

I do think you should hold off on the YK because I think you're just kind of flushing it down the toilet. If you don't care about wasting it or I should say the potential of wasting it then I mean go for it I guess?

YK it's kind of a sketchy compound in general because we don't really know anything about it. I don't think there's ever been any human studies done on it. And even if there was, we all know how studies go they don't really tell us much. Overtime we learn more through personal feedback. Sometimes I wonder though if these people actually did crush their estrogen with it or if because the ligament and tendon issues arise their joints hurt so they assume that they're estrogen is crushed. And the bigger scheme of things we're all just playing a giant guessing game lol

 

[Hyde]

The myostatin thing is irrelevant, I would guess it's because YK is closer to a DHT derivative of a steroid. It's got that steroidal dht backbone so I would have to guess it exerts dht characteristic like masteron and primo ect?

I don't know for certain that's just my best educated guess.

I do think you should hold off on the YK because I think you're just kind of flushing it down the toilet. If you don't care about wasting it or I should say the potential of wasting it then I mean go for it I guess?

YK it's kind of a sketchy compound in general because we don't really know anything about it. I don't think there's ever been any human studies done on it. And even if there was, we all know how studies go they don't really tell us much. Overtime we learn more through personal feedback. Sometimes I wonder though if these people actually did crush their estrogen with it or if because the ligament and tendon issues arise their joints hurt so they assume that they're estrogen is crushed. And the bigger scheme of things we're all just playing a giant guessing game lol

Yk11 is a 19-Nor backbone. I’m going to keep telling you this until you stop spreading this fallacy.

I have shown you the compound nomenclature 3 times now, plain as day.

 

[Smont]

Yk11 is a 19-Nor backbone. I’m going to keep telling you this until you stop spreading this fallacy.

I have shown you the compound nomenclature 3 times now, plain as day.

Yes I got to stop saying the word backbone, it doesn't change the fact that it has all DHT characteristics though in real world application.

It has nothing in common with a 19 dlnor outside of what the structure looks like

 

[Jeremyk1]

Yeah YK is a 19-nor.

The joint thing could be related to myostatin. Myostatin is actually good for ligament flexibility, so when you lower myostatin, you can easily get some stiffness there.

 

[Smont]

YK 11 is also made by chemically altering the DHT structure

 

[Smont]

Yeah YK is a 19-nor.

The joint thing could be related to myostatin. Myostatin is actually good for ligament flexibility, so when you lower myostatin, you can easily get some stiffness there.

All steroids lower myostatin

 

[BioHackJack]

This is interesting though not really what you guys are talking about (see below). It suggests that elevated estrogen levels have Myostatin Inhibiting effects. Wow...this is news to me anyway although I did know that estrogen is anabolic and also increases GH. Maybe I should allow some minimal nipple sizzle? Nah...probably not .

Well, whether or not YK11 is actually lowering my estrogen and if the joint pain is coming from lowered myostatin levels or lowered E levels, I'll probably never know for sure but I do know that it took away my spicy nips that only the Ralox could do. That was a nice little surprise! Against sound local wisdom, I'd like to keep using it more or less as an experiment to see if it can really keep Trest's E sides away...I'm very curious now and I'd probably end of tossing it if I don't use it. All in the name of Science...well, sort of!

.........Here's what I was referring to.....
In clinical studies designed to evaluate the effects of training on myostatin in men and women, the elevated estrogen levels found in women were shown to have myostatin inhibiting effects in muscle tissue by down-regulating myostatin mRNA expression and reducing serum LAP/propeptide levels.
Muscle Growth and the Estrogen Connection - Iron Magazine

www.ironmagazine.com/2015/muscle-growth-and-the-estrogen-connection/

 

[Smont]

This is interesting though not really what you guys are talking about (see below). It suggests that elevated estrogen levels have Myostatin Inhibiting effects. Wow...this is news to me anyway although I did know that estrogen is anabolic and also increases GH. Maybe I should allow some minimal nipple sizzle? Nah...probably not .

Well, whether or not YK11 is actually lowering my estrogen and if the joint pain is coming from lowered myostatin levels or lowered E levels, I'll probably never know for sure but I do know that it took away my spicy nips that only the Ralox could do. That was a nice little surprise! Against sound local wisdom, I'd like to keep using it more or less as an experiment to see if it can really keep Trest's E sides away...I'm very curious now and I'd probably end of tossing it if I don't use it. All in the name of Science...well, sort of!

.........Here's what I was referring to.....
In clinical studies designed to evaluate the effects of training on myostatin in men and women, the elevated estrogen levels found in women were shown to have myostatin inhibiting effects in muscle tissue by down-regulating myostatin mRNA expression and reducing serum LAP/propeptide levels.
Muscle Growth and the Estrogen Connection - Iron Magazine
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www.ironmagazine.com/2015/muscle-growth-and-the-estrogen-connection/

Here's the problem with myostatin inhibition, in order for myostab inhibiting to cause the muscle growth effects we're looking for you need to inhibit it by like 80 something percent and nothing can inhibit it that much so all these things that are myostatin inhibitors aren't really working for muscle growth through the myostatin pathway. All the myostatin stuff is very interesting and I do believe it's the future but what we're looking for to get out of these products they don't do it and it doesn't exist yet.

 

[Smont]

You can literally combine every statin inhibitor on the market that's natural and synthetic and take them all at the same time and it will not inhibit myostatin enough to get these effects we're looking for.

 

[Smont]

Also as far as I'm aware, YK 11 being a myostatin inhibitor is all hearsay, it's a powerful myostatin inhibitor in animals like many things show promise in animals but there's nothing to show that it works any better on humans because there just hasn't been any studies or tests done on it and from everyone who's used yk11 we know that it's no miracle muscle builder. I'm not speaking negatively of yk11 it's a good drug, it just doesn't bring anything to the table that we haven't seen before

 

[Smont]

Sorry for being a Debbie Downer lol

 

[Hyde]

YK 11 is also made by chemically altering the DHT structureView attachment 223579

That is not correct. And there’s no source.

I have cited the chemical nomenclature listed for anyone to read on Wikipedia on the first page of a Google search.

“…19-norpregna-4,20-diene…” etc

19-nor is literally in the name.

 

[Smont]

That is not correct. And there’s no source.

I have cited the chemical nomenclature listed for anyone to read on Wikipedia on the first page of a Google search.

“…19-norpregna-4,20-diene…” etc

View attachment 223586

19-nor is literally in the name.

It is NOT incorrect, you can find the information on pub med and the person that actually made yk11 "some Japanese dude I forget his name, but they talk about how they chemically altered DHT to make yk11.

100% confident that yk11 was created by altering dht

 

[Smont]

That is not correct. And there’s no source.

I have cited the chemical nomenclature listed for anyone to read on Wikipedia on the first page of a Google search.

“…19-norpregna-4,20-diene…” etc

View attachment 223586

19-nor is literally in the name.

I Will say this, it's very confusing because I'm seeing everything you put up and Ive seen it all before. There's just as much literature that says it's a 19nor as there is literature that says it's chemically altered DHT....

 

[Smont]

The chemical structure looks like 19, the effects are like dht. I've also read some stuff before that talks about how dht can be turned into something called 19 oxo and that can be turned into a 19nor but that **** was way out my ability to understand the processes involved

 

[Smont]

@BioHackJack sorry I'm not trying to derail your thread, I can move my and Hyde's conversation to another thread if you want. For what it's worth we argue peacefully with each other lol.

 

[BioHackJack]

Thanks but no worries Smont...I don't care one bit....in fact, I enjoy the interesting intellectual debate. I'm just glad you guys are along for the ride. The only thing that I'm upset about is that I bought 4 bottles of YK11 and now I'm learning it's not actually effective as a myostatin inhibitor in humans. I curse you Tony Huge and Dylan Gemelli!!!

 

[Smont]

Thanks but no worries Smont...I don't care one bit....in fact, I enjoy the interesting intellectual debate. I'm just glad you guys are along for the ride. The only thing that I'm upset about is that I bought 4 bottles of YK11 and now I'm learning it's not actually effective as a myostatin inhibitor in humans. I curse you Tony Huge and Dylan Gemelli!!!

Tony is very entertaining but you got to just take him for entertainment purposes only. And that guy Dylan, ho boy he shouldn't have an outlet to voices opinion on anything. Scam artist say the least and delusional would probably be more fitting.

You can still make use of your yk, I would just save it for another time and use it when you can actually gain benefit from it.

 

[Hyde]

I would say if the Yk11 is helping the gyno then keep up with it if that’s what you want to do.

Looking at androgen receptor affinity competition, context matters. If you were pinning hundreds of mg of trestolone per week, there’s going to be a lot more receptors hogged up by that then the small amount you’re currently using. Between that and AR concentration upregulating in response to elevated androgen levels, I would be confident you’ll see something out of adding the YK.

You will hear things about not bothering to push other compounds with Tren because it binds so hard, but dosage matters. 100mg of Tren/wk will leave a ton of room for a big dose of testosterone or whatever to work. If you are taking 700mg of Tren/wk, you are going to get a lot more sides than extra positive effects from the same bigger dose of test. It would still be more powerful overall, but you can see the difference in efficiency in those scenarios.

 

[BioHackJack]

47 Day Update: Trestolone Acetate

Everything is going great and I have no side effects. Well that's not exactly true, I'm hot all the time, a little extra sweaty, and a little bit red-skinned in my chest, neck, and face....but...I guess I don't really consider those sides. Strength may be slowly still increasing as well as size. Joint pain is back a little because I've been keeping my estrogen a little lower....but, evidentially not low enough....see below.

GOT BLOODWORK DONE/BACK. So, my rheumatologist ordered a lot of bloodwork because he wanted to see if my joint pain was a result of an autoimmune disease since everyone in my family has one....this actually also included a test and estrogen check...and all while I'm taking the Trest. Oh man! He also ordered an MRI of my hip....turns out I need a new hip. That sucks...but I figured.

The interesting thing is....my test levels were a little low...300something (I'm taking less than my trt dose while cycling Trest) ...and my estrogen levels are pretty high at 300something. AND NOW my thyroid is almost in the hypothyroid range. I was told that estrogen plays a very toxic role at high levels for long periods of time and can severely impact thyroid function. So, although my estrogen symptoms have been super mild and now even unnoticeable...my estrogen levels are actually too high and likely have been even before I started the Trest. My TRT and my past use of SARMS have contributed to this too....but yeah, it's likely that Trest has been the biggest player.

So, lesson learned....even though I may not be feeling estrogen sides or they are mild and I think I'm managing them perfectly... I need to still combat my estrogen better especially on cycle. Ralox, Anastrozole, and Joint Pain....gonna be seeing more of you! Such a guessing game and everyone is so different! It will probably take me years to learn my body and completely be able to dial in a perfect balance of ancillaries when using Trest. I think I'm up for the challenge though

 

[BioHackJack]

Date	Day	Mg	Weight	BF%	BMI	Muscle	Bench	Observations	Sides	Ancillary
9/10	1	5	183	14.6	26	148.6		Increased s dreams last night	0	0
9/11	2	5	183	14.6	26	148.6		s dream last night	0	0
9/12	3	5	183.6	14.7	26	148.8		nothing noticeable	0	0
9/13	4	7.5	185.6	14.9	26	150		s dreams last night	0	0
9/14	5	7.5	185.2	14.8	26	150		s dreams last night Hungrier	0	0
9/15	6	7.5	188	15.1	26	151.6		Maybe slight fuller look. Eating more.	0	0
9/16	7	7.5	185.8	14.9	26	150.4	245x4	Hungry. Joint pain disappeared.	0	0
9/17	8	10	185.6	14.9	26	150		Still no pain, took extra 2.5mg in evening	0	0
9/18	9	10	189.4	15.3	27	152.6		Big pump doesn’t last, sweat, 2.5 pm	0	0
9/19	10	10	187.8	15.1	26	151.4		Nothing new. Rest day -no workout	0	0
9/20	11	10	187.2	15.1	26	151.2	265x4	Extra sweaty.Big pumps.Starting to feel it.	0	0
9/21	12	10	188.8	15.2	26	152.2		Slight warm sensation on chest - took AI	1	1mg Anastroz
9/22	13	10	190.2	15.4	27	152.8		Extra sensitive to stimulants-heart racing	0	0
9/23	14	10	189	15.3	27	152.2		Waking at night, weaker today, tired	0	0
9/24	15	10	188.8	15.2	26	152.2		Tired, still sore from 9/22, strength down	0	0
9/25	16	13	189	15.2	27	152.2		Tired, not feeling anything, sore still	0	0
9/26	17	13	189	15.2	27	152.2		Hair loss on my ankles, BP great	0	0
9/27	18	13	190.2	15.4	27	152.8		Very tired, lethargic, weaker, sore, looking fat	0	40mg T.Cyp
9/28	19	13	190.2	15.4	27	152.8		Hurricane coming - need to feel normal soon	0	0
9/29	20	13						Tired but better, 3 hours hurricane cleanup	0	0
9/30	21	13						Much more energy, 8 hours cleanup/fix up	0	0
10/1	22	13						Much better-feeling normal again, sore	0	0
10/2	23	13						Dreams,Strength back, libido up, energy	0	0
10/3	24	15	191.6	15.5	27	153.6	265x4	Feel Great! Crazy libido,pumps,strong,mood	0	0
10/4	25	15	191.6	15.5	27	153.6		Increasing in size-water retention, feels great	0	40mg T.Cyp
10/5	26	15	193.6	15.8	27	155		Still feel great. strength, size, hunger increase	0	0
10/6	27	15	193	15.7	27	154.6		Still great. Warm nips - took small AI dose	0	.5mg Anastroz
10/7	28	15	192.6	15.6	27	154.4	275x4	Still great. Nips are better too. Strength up.	0	0
10/8	29	15	192.6	15.6	27	154.4		Nips starting to get warm. Skin a little red.	0	.5mg Anastroz
10/9	30	15	193.4	15.7	27	154.8		Nips spicier,red skin,some shoulder acne	1	1mg Anastroz
10/10	31	15	193.4	15.7	27	154.8		Nips still spicy, red, water retention in chest.	1	30mg T.Cyp
10/11	32	15	192.6	15.6	27	154.4		Nips still spicy…Anastrozol isn't taking it away	1	50mg Ralox
10/12	33	15	192.2	15.6	27	154.2	275x4	Nips normal, joint pain back a little,	0	0
10/13	34	15	194.2	15.8	27	155.2		Not feeling the Trest high as much. No sides	0	0
10/14	35	15						Feeling Trest High again. Nips a little spicy.	1	0
10/15	36	15						Nips sizzling in am but YK11 took it away pm.	1	YK-20mg
10/16	37	15						Strange- symptom of low E…joint pain, etc.	1	YK-20mg
10/17	38	15	191.6	15.5	27	153.8		Joint pain, irritable, no nips sizzle though	1	40mg T.Cyp
10/18	39	18	191.6	15.5	27	153.8		Trest high back - but no nips sizzle	0	YK-15mg
10/19	40	18	192	15.6	27	153.8		Seems like a YK and Trest is a good combo	0	YK-15mg
10/20	41	18	193.4	15.7	27	154.8		Even better after lowering YK & Nips good	0	YK-10mg
10/21	42	18	191.6	15.5	27	153.8		Great! Gonna miss being on Trest after cycle	0	YK-10mg
10/22	43	18						No change	0	0
10/23	44	20						No change	0	0
10/24	45	20						No change	0	0
10/25	46	20	194.2	15.8	27	155.2		Estrogen is 300 but no symptoms	0	1mg Anastroz
10/26	47	20	194.4	15.8	27/2	155.4		Gonna try bringing my estrogen lower	0	20mg Ralox

 

[Smont]

Are you saying your test levels and estrogen levels are both at 300!

Test at 300 is not a big deal, especially with trestolone in there, but estrogen at 300 is rediculous high.

I'm actually a fan of running my estrogen on the higher side but 300 is a bit extreme.

On trt 150mg testosterone, my testosterone levels are around 900 and my estrogen is in the high 30 to low 40 range. Typically my levels will rise together, on 300 test I will have testosterone levels in the low 2000's I believe and my estrogen will be around 100-120 and this is kinda what I would call me sweet spot.

If my estrogen got to 300 I'd probably have tits and be lactating, and wearing a sweater made out of acne. So I gotta assume your just not sensitive to high estrogen. Because you said your managing estrogen good but your absolutely NOT. Now let me explain, cus I'm not taking a dig at you. If you were managing estrogen good then the numbers would be much lower. But your actually not managing it, you just don't get bad estrogen side effects.

Get what I'm saying. Unless your reference range is just much different then mine?

I think estrogen range is like 20-50 or something like that

 

[Hyde]

Ralox won’t lower estrogen; it merely blocks it at the chest receptor (which will prevent gyno but otherwise allow estrogen to stay elevated).

Don’t take more Ralox, take more Anastrazole if you want to lower estrogen. If you are still taking Yk11, & that is tough on joints, I would discontinue that so you can tolerate the increases AI you will need to be using.